Meet the NEETS: They're young and able, but completely unwilling to look for work - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Nitro836;51059219]If you are willing to work, but have no "sufficiently satisfying" opportunities to apply to, with your education and psychological state, does that still make you a NEET? I just don't want to be completely useless. I'll even do manual labor if it gets me a bit more spare money. It would be good for me, in fact, since my physical condition is alarming me and I could use the workout the labor gives at the same time.[/QUOTE] If you're Not Employed or in Education or Training, you're a NEET. Edit: Wow

[QUOTE=KaSaku;51058908]They're just teens. [/QUOTE] This is rather important to note. The article is discussing a demographic that includes people from [b]15[/b] to 29. Surely a 15-18 year old not working and being supported by their parents is pretty normal.

Frankly I think someone has to come to [B]us[/B] with a solution for this problem because even the people who want to work are being locked out of a system that is [B][I]inundated[/I][/B] with overqualified people and the way they thought this was going to work: Isn't how it's actually working. I'm in the youtube business now. Basically because I don't have any other choice right at this moment.

[QUOTE=Zovox;51059156]The only downside of being a neet is that you don't have much moneybto move around on. Other that it's chill as fuck. Everyone should try it for a while imo, just don't let it get out hand.[/QUOTE] I was for 3 or 4 years. Whilst good times were had, I still took the time and taught myself skills which eventually landed me a professional job. Now I can afford nice things like an apartment, a car, nice PC, wife and I pity my younger depressed NEET self. It's nice but if you're comfortable there and are able to get out then you're just digging yourself a hole that you'll regret at some point.

[QUOTE=phaedon;51059242]This is rather important to note. The article is discussing a demographic that includes people from [b]15[/b] to 29. Surely a 15-18 year old not working and being supported by their parents is pretty normal.[/QUOTE] Not in education, employment or training. Most 15-18 year olds are in education or training. [editline]16th September 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=cyanidem;51059260]I was for 3 or 4 years. Whilst good times were had, I still took the time and taught myself skills which eventually landed me a professional job. Now I can afford nice things like an apartment, a car, nice PC, wife and I pity my younger depressed NEET self. It's nice but if you're comfortable there and are able to get out then you're just digging yourself a hole that you'll regret at some point.[/QUOTE] You just said you took time to learn stuff toward what you wanted to do, the NEET period directly contributed toward you current position. Had you not done the NEET phase, perhaps you might have been pressured into a min wage job all week, leaving you too tired to do that learning and self development, you might not be in your current position. If someone spends years doing nothing at all then thats a separate issue, if they were spending all day wiping old peoples asses or stacking shelves they'd likely remain equally depressed and hopeless, trying to shame someone because they aren't working (as the article in OP seems to be doing) is grim and serves only to bully people into taking jobs and living a life they don't want.

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;51059270]Not in education, employment or training. Most 15-18 year olds are in education or training.[/QUOTE] Sure, but a teenager that has dropped out of school and hasn't entered the market yet as unqualified labor or continued their education is hardly a rarity. More specifically, I think that there's a big difference between a teenager and an adult being unwilling to work. The former are more likely to change their attitude and adapt.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51058470]Honestly, what's out there for most young people right now? [/QUOTE] Take over government and make neet based system. Everyone wins.

[QUOTE=goon165;51059257]Frankly I think someone has to come to [B]us[/B] with a solution for this problem because even the people who want to work are being locked out of a system that is [B][I]inundated[/I][/B] with overqualified people and the way they thought this was going to work: Isn't how it's actually working. I'm in the youtube business now. Basically because I don't have any other choice right at this moment.[/QUOTE] Well, you are a good example how automation is creating jobs that could not possibly exist 10 years ago. Good for you, for being at the forefront.

It's preferable to be a NEET when the only job you can get is working in fast food or customer service (which are fucking HORRID) Working in Hungry Jacks/Burger King was the worst thing I've ever done.

I been hoping every day its better in other countries, but is it really that fucked :( World will change allot in the next 30 years guys, Buckle in.

I get by just from making odd stuff from the trash my father brings home and starting to get into growing chillies. Because as someone with a BA I don't have previous experience as a bartender or waiting tables as is needed locally.

Ah yes, let's continue to shit on this generation. That'll work. Not like there's been huge changes or challenges we've had to go through, oh no. Currently I'm in my second year of university doing Computer Science and Information Technology (... I'm in the middle of a class right now but luckily I've covered this OOP material in the class since it's the only subject I enjoy) and I have been lucky enough to get work experience and a scholarship. That's down to hard work, sure, but also because my family are very supportive and I've had good opportunities through-out my life. I'll also note I am not great at all socially and have only started to become more social in uni. So most of my time is spent on a laptop, either playing games, on forums or actually doing work :V I mean, I've wanted to work with computers since I was 9, but I'm going to admit, until I got into university I wasn't seriously getting into programming, and I'm trying to get my ass into gear, working on games and learning languages (we're unfortunately doing Java this year in OOP, so I'm thinking of doing C++ and continuing with Python so I can start make game projects). It's kind of both awful and hilarious that another user here has worked their ass off to be a programmer and hasn't gotten the opportunity to do so... but is making money instead from pronz. That is an actual job though... and it makes a lot of people VERY happy :V I honestly hope I'm working hard enough to get where I want to be (hopefully in the gaming industry). I'm trying to do networking and all that stuff but I honestly spend too much of my time online and not working. Everyone needs time off though. Good luck to everyone. I know the struggle of dealing with mental health issues and one of my hopes for the future is that people's awareness becomes a lot higher and people start to realise that people with mental health problems are normal people with illnesses that need to be treated, and that the people themselves need to be treated with respect. I'm a bit naive and optimistic, but I do believe things will work out alright for everyone.

[QUOTE=proboardslol;51058455]Being a NEET is the dream. Everyone would be a NEET if they won the lottery[/QUOTE] Not in the slightest, if i even book a single day off of work right now and i have nothing to do on it, then i just sit there wishing that i was actually back at work. If i won the lottery, i'd probably still go to my job because i'd miss working with my friends there.

[QUOTE=mak13two;51059352]Not in the slightest, if i even book a single day off of work right now and i have nothing to do on it, then i just sit there wishing that i was actually back at work. If i won the lottery, i'd probably still go to my job because i'd miss working with my friends there.[/QUOTE] I'd study and make my own laboratory, which I would work in it daily

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;51058514]Yeah being a broke ass neet not being able to afford anything is great![/QUOTE] I think 90% of my total expenditure is just materialistic shit that helps me from offing myself, i'm somewhat envious of them.

I gained depression, more anxiety and lost social skills whilst being so isolated for so long. The rigmarole with the welfare system in the UK makes it horrible unless they leave you alone. [editline]16th September 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=kenji;51059366]I think 90% of my total expenditure is just materialistic shit that helps me from offing myself, i'm somewhat envious of them.[/QUOTE] Gotta agree what little money I had I spent on stuff that helped me forget the situation I an in.

[QUOTE=Fourier;51059365]I'd study and make my own laboratory, which I would work in it daily[/QUOTE] i'd do drugs [editline]16th September 2016[/editline] thats a thing that works out for all the lottery winners, right?

[QUOTE=Thomo_UK;51059412]I gained depression, more anxiety and lost social skills whilst being so isolated for so long. [/quote] I had this big time, luckily a friend got back in touch and was understanding. A tip, if you are open to it, just send a message to people you haven't spoken to in years, you got nothing to lose by just dropping a message and it might turn to rekindle a long lost or new friendship. I recently got in touch with a friend, hadn't spoken in 6 years or so now we go to the pub again and I'm reconnecting with people who I knew even further back and was never mega close to. [quote] The rigmarole with the welfare system in the UK makes it horrible unless they leave you alone.[/QUOTE] The welfare system is designed to bully you, if you can afford it try to avoid it otherwise you might try to "use them" they offer free training and if you ask your consultant person to find you work experience in a field you are interested in then they are generally obliged to help. I was doling for ages then got an unpaid job as web dev, 4 years later I'm fairly happy with my job albeit poor pay. [quote] [quote]I think 90% of my total expenditure is just materialistic shit that helps me from offing myself, i'm somewhat envious of them.[/quote] Gotta agree what little money I had I spent on stuff that helped me forget the situation I an in. [/quote] Hang in there peeps

[QUOTE=Elstumpo;51059475]i'd do drugs [editline]16th September 2016[/editline] thats a thing that works out for all the lottery winners, right?[/QUOTE] Nah, you'd get bored fast and lose energys life.

I was terrified to stay a NEET for any longer - had been one since I finished college because I have a philosophy of never settling for a shit job and 'like it or lump it' having seen it far too many times - and the only reason I now have a (temporary) full-time job is I lucked out. I have entry-level qualifications for aircraft maintenance and IT and have ended up working in the cataloguing department for an aircraft maintenance/demolition firm. I only got the job, I'm sure, because I was the first qualified person to send an email. There was no interview and the firm has no HR department. It's a dream come fucking true, but anxiety was really taking me over thinking I was doomed to spend the rest of my life in Asda or some shite where my only fulfilment came from unpaid club work I've been doing for years. Really, I want to fly, but this will do for a time. Every job market is so competitive and I can't understate how lucky I was to escape the jobmarket without even having to compete.

I like how some people here complain about jobs being scarce and unavailable. Probably this problem is more harsh there in Europe or the US( i doubt it though, since Russia's economy is much smaller, yet we have many highly-educated people seeking for work), and i can only speak from my personal experience, but that's how it went for me. I got a degree in radiophysics around three years ago just to quickly realize that the jobs available in this niche don't seem to be very interesting for me. Luckily there were free cisco courses in my university available for students of my faculty, which i attended and even got their first ccna certificate, so i managed to find a network engieer job at a local isp. Fast forward half a year, i'm completely bored with the job so i start to learn the basics of a programming language just for fun and also to be able to change my occupation when i feel like i'm ready to attend an interview. After ~8 month of learning, readin stuff and practicing i moved to Moscow, rented a shitty flat and found a a junior developer job pretty quickly afterwards. It was two years ago, i've changed a couple of companies since then and never had any serious problems finding a better place to work at. I've even been contacted by european and american employers couple of times recently, promising me help with relocation, nice money and of course super interesting projects etc etc, which kinda contradicts the assumption that jobs there are so hard to find. They are so scarce that the guys had to look for people in goddamn Russia. Now please take into consideration that i'm not an excellent programmer, i'm self taught and don't have a degree in cs or something. I'm pretty mediocre at what i do and i fully understand that, and i also understand i might be wrong as i'm only talking about one specific industry(i.e. IT), also i've simply never lived in Europe\the US\Australia\whatnot, so probably you guys are completely right about the difficulties of getting a decent job, but from my personal experience it's not that hard if you're not lazy or stump dumb, and also have some practical experience or at least theoretical knowledge demanded in the modern world.

[QUOTE=antianan;51059505]I like how some people here complain about jobs being scarce and unavailable. Probably this problem is more harsh there in Europe or the US( i doubt it though, since Russia's economy is much smaller, yet we have many highly-educated people seeking for work), and i can only speak from my personal experience, but that's how it went for me. I got a degree in radiophysics around three years ago just to quickly realize that the jobs available in this niche don't seem to be very interesting for me. Luckily there were free cisco courses in my university available for students of my faculty, which i attended and even got their first ccna certificate, so i managed to find a network engieer job at a local isp. Fast forward half a year, i'm completely bored with the job so i start to learn the basics of a programming language just for fun and also to be able to change my occupation when i feel like i'm ready to attend an interview. After ~8 month of learning, readin stuff and practicing i moved to Moscow, rented a shitty flat and found a a junior developer job pretty quickly afterwards. It was two years ago, i've changed a couple of companies since then and never had any serious problems finding a better place to work at. I've even been contacted by european and american employers couple of times recently, promising me help with relocation, nice money and of course super interesting projects etc etc, which kinda contradicts the assumption that jobs there are so hard to find. They are so scarce that the guys had to look for people in goddamn Russia. Now please take into consideration that i'm not an excellent programmer, i'm self taught and don't have a degree in cs or something. I'm pretty mediocre at what i do and i fully understand that, and i also understand i might be wrong as i'm only talking about one specific industry(i.e. IT), also i've simply never lived in Europe\the US\Australia\whatnot, so probably you guys are completely right about the difficulties of getting a decent job, but from my personal experience it's not that hard if you're not lazy or stump dumb, and also have some practical experience or at least theoretical knowledge demanded in the modern world.[/QUOTE] Eastern Europe and India get programming jobs piss easy due to very cheap working wages in comparison to west. For example after 3-6 years work a western programmer will be seeking 100k wage(usd) Getting programming jobs arnt really a problem if you have experience, but you need experience to get a junior role -_-.

[QUOTE=antianan;51059505]-snip- I've even been contacted by european and american employers couple of times recently, promising me help with relocation, nice money and of course super interesting projects etc etc, which kinda contradicts the assumption that jobs there are so hard to find. They are so scarce that the guys had to look for people in goddamn Russia. Now please take into consideration that i'm not an excellent programmer, i'm self taught and don't have a degree in cs or something. [/QUOTE] Perhaps they think they can pay Russians less. British companies look to hire developers from India and eastern europe because its far cheaper labour than hiring british developers.

Dunno, here in Slovenia they hire Russians for very good wage (even better than locals I think) in some good companies (like electricity company)

[QUOTE=27X;51058925]Living a chunk of your life at someone else's behest has literally no payoff. Completely pointless unless the logistical gains are high enough. Life is short. Life lived in grind is even shorter and for not much. [editline]16th September 2016[/editline] In fast food, medical and service industries, 7 days a week is the new normal and has been for about 20 years in the US.[/QUOTE] Tbh I would just love to be able to love doing something I'm passionate about without worrying if my boss is going to look at me like I'm lazy when I cant be all smiles and cheery because I'm feeling like my body is shutting down at the six hour mark of a work day. Working is hard and I feel like unless I take matters into my own hands, it's never gonna get easier.

[QUOTE=gtanoofa;51058680]I don't know how NEETS do it to be honest. I've been working since i was 19 and whenever i take more than a week long vacations i become bored and depressed even when i am hanging out with friends.[/QUOTE] Different personality type. I am currently a NEET but it's not because I want to be, it's because of my anxiety. I don't cope well with others face to face. I've tried multiple jobs in the past year (three) and none of them ended up working out because at the end of the day I just felt depressed and totally out of place. Not having money sucks, but as shitty as it is, I prefer this to the alternative of constantly feeling judged and as though I don't belong. I don't take advantage of unemployment, though. I don't want to take free handouts. I don't like the stigma attached to it. This is also the same reason I dropped out of high-school; cripping anxiety. My only friend moved away half way through grade 9 and after that I just couldn't handle it. Fortunately I was able to get my G.E.D, but I still feel extremely limited.

my parents couldn't support me so I had to work incredibly hard to get the job that I wanted; but I don't think being a NEET is a bad thing. Just as long as you're not doing it with the state's money.

[QUOTE=proboardslol;51058455]Being a NEET is the dream. Everyone would be a NEET if they won the lottery[/QUOTE] I'm not sure about that. Doing nothing (vidya, telly etc.) does get boring eventually, and there's nothing more personally fulfilling than working, provided you're doing the thing you like. Building your own company, helping the ill, serving your country... At some point a person will want a purpose, I think. Personally I'd just feel bad about myself, even if I had enough cash to last me a lifetime.

I used to avoid work as well, i am still studying but i got like 150 euro a month from the government so i was happy with that until i worked and tasted what you can do with a fuck load more money, thats basically why i got 3 jobs at the moment. For example, my friends who live off the government: Go out with friends and they are debating about what burger to take at the mcdonalds because they are expensive, only drink 3 beers per night because they don't have enough money and so on... I am far more self sustaining because i don't have to loan money from friends and best of all i can properly do my hobby now which is server management (i can finally afford servers) Having a job that is also fun is pretty cool, pizza delivery is really chill work, teaching people how to use computers is something i love to do, especially those who are interested into computers (as in, how do i start a website or how do i stream) and website management is easy and pretty profitable which takes max 3 hours per week

I remember being young and unemployed and never being able to go out with my friends because I couldn't afford shit. Those were the days I wish I never have to experience again.