Meet the NEETS: They're young and able, but completely unwilling to look for work - Polidicks

''Choose Life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a fucking big television, choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players and electrical tin openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol, and dental insurance. Choose fixed interest mortgage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisurewear and matching luggage. Choose a three-piece suit on hire purchase in a range of fucking fabrics. Choose DIY and wondering who the fuck you are on Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing, spirit-crushing game shows, stuffing fucking junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pissing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, fucked up brats you spawned to replace yourselves. Choose your future. Choose life... But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life. I chose somethin' else. And the reasons?'' Cause I be chillin' at Maccas.

[QUOTE=SgtTupelo;51059718]I remember being young and unemployed and never being able to go out with my friends because I couldn't afford shit. Those were the days I wish I never have to experience again.[/QUOTE] Thats fair enough but there are plenty of people who do work and can't go out with friends because they still can't afford it.

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;51059572]Perhaps they think they can pay Russians less. British companies look to hire developers from India and eastern europe because its far cheaper labour than hiring british developers.[/QUOTE] Well, at least one of them promised a wage pretty much on par with the average wage for the profession in their country(the other one just didn't specify it), but that's not actually the point. The point is that if you can't find a job just because your desired wage is too high for most local employers than lower it a little bit maybe? [QUOTE=Evanstr;51059568] Getting programming jobs arnt really a problem if you have experience, but you need experience to get a junior role -_-.[/QUOTE] To be honest getting the experience sufficient to get a junior role is not that hard. You're not expected to know everything, they just need you to know the basics of, well,everything. You can easily get that experience just by doing a couple of more or less broad personal projects or, ideally, by getting an internship.

[QUOTE=antianan;51059730] To be honest getting the experience sufficient to get a junior role is not that hard. You're not expected to know everything, they just need you to know the basics of, well,everything. You can easily get that experience just by doing a couple of more or less broad personal projects or, ideally, [B]by getting an internship.[/B][/QUOTE] Been doing my current study for 2 years and i learned like triple as much about programming on my internship, especially companies that handle multiple interns at the same time. They basically take that you know zero about anything which was comfortable because eventually the company knew what i could and could not do, it was so much fun and informative.

[QUOTE=antianan;51059730] To be honest getting the experience sufficient to get a junior role is not that hard. You're not expected to know everything, they just need you to know the basics of, well,everything. You can easily get that experience just by doing a couple of more or less broad personal projects or, ideally, by getting an internship.[/QUOTE] Jup, you just need to program for like 3 years and you are good to go. (+ some basic math).

[QUOTE=SirJon;51059629]At some point a person will want a purpose, I think. [/QUOTE] TBH, I think people get too hung up on having that purpose be tied to work. I currently work a soulless 9-5 government job that pays well and gives me ample paid sick/vacation/holidays, but isn't 'fulfilling' or 'my purpose' or anything like that. It gives me money and time to enjoy my real productive interests, which are in tabletop game design and fiction writing- neither of which I could rely on as a primary career, but give me something to aspire to. I'd wager the overwhelming majority of your ancestors worked because they had to in order to survive, not because they enjoyed their work, especially during economic slumps like the Depression. If you can find a job that you really enjoy, that's wonderful, but people seem to hold that up as the only desirable outcome and I think that's shooting too high.

[QUOTE=darth-veger;51059735]Been doing my current study for 2 years and i learned like triple as much about programming on my internship, especially companies that handle multiple interns at the same time. They basically take that you know zero about anything which was comfortable because eventually the company knew what i could and could not do, it was so much fun and informative.[/QUOTE] I used to think the same. After managing 6 Mechanical engineering interns all with varying levels of education. I can honestly say, that education has a gigantic influence in your workplace performance. Not the specific skills no. But those are to different at each company to learn in school anyways. Its the Teamwork, critical thinking, math and physics base understanding and work hard attitude you get from an education that really shows itself later down the line.

[QUOTE=antianan;51059730]Well, at least one of them promised a wage pretty much on par with the average wage for the profession in their country(the other one just didn't specify it), but that's not actually the point. The point is that if you can't find a job just because your desired wage it too high for most local employers than lower it a little bit maybe? [/QUOTE] So for me I was, last year, being paid 17-19k. In my area I was saving nothing because of cost of living. My employer was still seeking useless (below min wage) interns or looking to outsource work abroad. They're very good to the employees but seeking to optimise output while minimising costs. I'm being paid more now, still less than the UK average and approx half the average for those in my profession, but I would still be saving next to nothing had I not moved back with my dad. I'm not asking for anything crazy just enough to be able to support myself while saving for the future. Call me old fashioned but I think a 25 year old should be able to do that. T Perhaps I'm a chump for settling with a fun job that pays badly but I'm certainly not asking for a wage too high for local employers. If what I'm asking for is too unreasonable then how is anyone expected to make good money. Truth is cost of living elsewhere is lower and its cheaper to hire foreign labour.

Whenever I look for a job, I always end up getting depressed since I never feel qualified enough for them

[QUOTE=gtanoofa;51059736]I think it's more than a personality type thing and that you have unnatended issues to work with. I hate having to work with others, but it doesn't give me that much of a stress that i want to quit. You should work on your anxiety with a professional before finding another job.[/QUOTE] You're probably right - I really should consult with a professional. I've looked into drugs in the past that could possibly have helped with my anxiety but my parents were very against it. Fortunately, that's not up to them any more.

[QUOTE=BazzBerry;51059798]You're probably right - I really should consult with a professional. I've looked into drugs in the past that could possibly have helped with my anxiety but my parents were very against it. Fortunately, that's not up to them any more.[/QUOTE] Should you even be taking drugs(medication?) without consulting a professional first?

[QUOTE=rndgenerator;51059816]Should you even be taking drugs(medication?) without consulting a professional first?[/QUOTE] Oh, I meant prescribed drugs. I of course would consult with a professional before using them to see if they would be compatible with my issues.

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;51058529]some people don't care about buying shit beyond food [editline]15th September 2016[/editline] those people are lucky bastards, i wish i didn't have the talons of consumerism in me as much as i do[/QUOTE] I don't usually buy much myself, partly since so much is provided for me, partly because I am a simple man at heart, and partly because there is so much stuff about that's super-cheap, if not outright free, in these worlds of ours. That way my savings keep on growing, slowly and steadily. Though I guess my comparison isn't quite fair, since I actually have a part-time job doing the evening shift at the local, earning over £8 an hour as a "sous-chef" (though what I mostly do is reheat potmeals, clean the kitchen and do the dishes). Though I do wonder if I should request getting a Saturday shift in as well, not only to keep me a little busier, but to get an extra 48 a week so I can further feed my little nest egg for when it's finally time to fly the nest.

[QUOTE=catbarf;51059761]TBH, I think people get too hung up on having that purpose be tied to work. I currently work a soulless 9-5 government job that pays well and gives me ample paid sick/vacation/holidays, but isn't 'fulfilling' or 'my purpose' or anything like that. It gives me money and time to enjoy my real productive interests, which are in tabletop game design and fiction writing- neither of which I could rely on as a primary career, but give me something to aspire to. I'd wager the overwhelming majority of your ancestors worked because they had to in order to survive, not because they enjoyed their work, especially during economic slumps like the Depression. If you can find a job that you really enjoy, that's wonderful, but people seem to hold that up as the only desirable outcome and I think that's shooting too high.[/QUOTE] That's true. Sometime you have to choose between a fulfilling job, and a well paying job. Or a fulfilling job, and an job you're good at.

[QUOTE=Dr.C;51058492]Being a NEET is the best. Just quit your job and live your life the way you want instead of being a wageslave. "Alarm clock beeping Wagecucks weeping Time for floor sweeping And burger fIipping While NEETs are still sleeping Put on your slave collar Each hour you earn a dollar Your dignity level grows ever smaller Better run fast when customers holler While the NEET is being a baller"[/QUOTE] My friend is like this and tbh I think he's the slave, his existence is just eating and sleeping. He never does anything, he just sort of exists, he doesn't play games or watch TV because it all bored him, he sleeps whenever and eats whatever meaning he could go weeks without seeing the sun, he has no sense of time and could be 10 minutes late or could be 5 hours late both for no reason. He also has absolutely no money and can't buy anything new that he wants, and when we all go out together either we have to buy him food or he just eats our left overs. I'm in education right now, not work, but I never want to end up like that. He tells us we're the slaves cause we work and learn but tbh I think he is cause he doesn't live for anything. tl;dr you can't live life the way you want if you have no purpose and no money

As much as not working is great, having a job and being to afford things is REALLY great. I lucked out big time and got a job working with my father at his doctors office as a physical therapist/x-ray tech and the pay is pretty good, but my god, I work my ass off some days when we see upwards to 60 time-slots worth of people.

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[QUOTE=Rossy167;51059892]My friend is like this and tbh I think he's the slave, his existence is just eating and sleeping. He never does anything, he just sort of exists, he doesn't play games or watch TV because it all bored him, he sleeps whenever and eats whatever meaning he could go weeks without seeing the sun, he has no sense of time and could be 10 minutes late or could be 5 hours late both for no reason. He also has absolutely no money and can't buy anything new that he wants, and when we all go out together either we have to buy him food or he just eats our left overs. I'm in education right now, not work, but I never want to end up like that. He tells us we're the slaves cause we work and learn but tbh I think he is cause he doesn't live for anything. tl;dr you can't live life the way you want if you have no purpose and no money[/QUOTE] Mate, it sounds like this friend of yours needs an intervention, something to bring a spark back to his life. Because that kind of "barely existing" thing is raising alarm bells in my head.

Its really sad how many people think staying at home with no job playing video games is the dream lmao, in fact just being a NEET for that matter

[QUOTE=Complifusedv2;51059921]Its really sad how many people think staying at home with no job playing video games is the dream lmao, in fact just being a NEET for that matter[/QUOTE] Does work make you feel fulfilled

[QUOTE=Complifusedv2;51059921]Its really sad how many people think staying at home with no job playing video games is the dream lmao, in fact just being a NEET for that matter[/QUOTE] I don't see what's wrong with being a NEET if you are at least following a passion like writing or something, but I agree that just sitting around all day like a plant sounds shit.

[QUOTE=Rossy167;51059892]My friend is like this and tbh I think he's the slave, his existence is just eating and sleeping. He never does anything, he just sort of exists, he doesn't play games or watch TV because it all bored him, he sleeps whenever and eats whatever meaning he could go weeks without seeing the sun, he has no sense of time and could be 10 minutes late or could be 5 hours late both for no reason. He also has absolutely no money and can't buy anything new that he wants, and when we all go out together either we have to buy him food or he just eats our left overs. I'm in education right now, not work, but I never want to end up like that. He tells us we're the slaves cause we work and learn but tbh I think he is cause he doesn't live for anything. tl;dr you can't live life the way you want if you have no purpose and no money[/QUOTE] I have a job, but no purpose or money. I feel like a slave, and according to your logic, as well as your friend, I am.

[QUOTE=proboardslol;51059925]Does work make you feel fulfilled[/QUOTE] Honestly, if I had a job, I don't think I'd be as depressed as I am right now.

[QUOTE=formatme;51058601]I'm a neet right now and i don't know how people want to be one/one forever. Pretty shitty not having a job or something to do at least for me.[/QUOTE] Not having a job is a byproduct of being NEET to begin with. But having nothing to do is all on you. You're the one who's choosing to do absolutely nothing at all. You can still be productive even if you're not actively working a job. I'm a NEET currently due to really bad insomnia issues preventing me from keeping a consistent enough schedule to hold down a job without screwing up my health. While I struggle all too often to find energy to do the things I want to do (often for the aforementioned insomnia issues), I still manage to be productive and not simply sit around doing nothing but playing video games constantly. (Actually a lot of the time I really don't play any video games at all because I have other things I'd rather be doing.) [QUOTE=Complifusedv2;51059921]Its really sad how many people think staying at home with no job playing video games is the dream lmao, in fact just being a NEET for that matter[/QUOTE] As I said above in response to formatme: Why does being unemployed instantly mean you do absolutely nothing remotely productive? Working a job is not the only productive thing you can do. There's plenty of productive things you can do which just don't make you money.

You know guys, there's an anecdote about the original NEET, Diogenes of sinope, who was a student of Socrates and thought that the only genuine way to live was to become a recluse who lived in a cask and let dudes piss in his hands for money (the Greek equivalent of videogames) while he thought about philosophy all day. Diogenes was sunbathing when this yuppie (a total chad), Alexander the great, went up to him and said "I heard you were smart. If you're so smart, tell me something smart, smart guy". So Diogenes says "alright. What do you want?" "To conquer the Mediterranean!" "And then?" "Well I suppose I'll retire and sit on a beach and drink strawberry daiquiris all day" Diogenes said "well my advice to you is to skip all the conquering and get straight to the chillin." Alexander says "wow you're smart okay I'll give you anything you want what do you want" Diogenes says "get out of my sunlight. I'm trying to get a killer tan"

[QUOTE=Alice3173;51059950]Working a job is not the only productive thing you can do. [/QUOTE] Eh, there's a fine line between 'fulfilling' and 'productive'. I have hobbies that I find fulfilling, but the fact that I don't earn much money on them indicates that they're not terribly productive to society. I'm struggling to think of what kinds of things I'd consider productive that don't earn money- charity work, I guess? But then that's really just doing a job for free.

[QUOTE={TFS} Rock Su;51059942]Honestly, if I had a job, I don't think I'd be as depressed as I am right now.[/QUOTE] If you had a good job it could be great for you and your personal development; but if you were stuck in a dead end job with no hope of mobility or improving your situation, getting home to your parents house too tired to do anything about your situation, too poor to go out and see friends or move closer to work, you will probably be equally depressed but with less free time to learn and improve your situation. But hey at least if you are coerced into getting a shit job people like Complifusedv2 won't call you sad, even if you are, by definition, pretty sad with your situation.

[QUOTE=catbarf;51059958]Eh, there's a fine line between 'fulfilling' and 'productive'. I have hobbies that I find fulfilling, but the fact that I don't earn much money on them indicates that they're not terribly productive to society. I'm struggling to think of what kinds of things I'd consider productive that don't earn money- charity work, I guess? But then that's really just doing a job for free.[/QUOTE] people who bag groceries and phone marketers both get paid but I don't think anyone thinks that they contribute to society somehow

[QUOTE={TFS} Rock Su;51059942]Honestly, if I had a job, I don't think I'd be as depressed as I am right now.[/QUOTE] Are you looking for one? How are jobs where you live? I've had 7 different jobs, and I honestly always miss the lowest paying ones. Working at the movie theater was one of my favorites [editline]16th September 2016[/editline] I think working did give me a sense of purpose. As a lifeguard (head lifeguard and manager, too) I felt like I had a lot of responsibility. At times, it was stressful and I wished I had better hours (10-12 hour shifts, 4-5 days a week), but the knowledge that I'm the only person at work who can do my job well is satisfying. Similarly, in a job where I had little responsibility, I kept myself busy by doing as many tasks as I could. I did a lot of sweeping and sort of felt fulfilled by finishing and having a nice clean carpet/work space. So I agree, I think. At least for me, being a NEET would mean a lack of responsibility, and therefore fulfillment, but I think that as you climb higher in the rat race, you may feel as if your job is less and less important or you might value your free time more and more. Especially once you have a family, you probably start to lament all the time you're missing out with your spouse and kids. That's just me tho

[QUOTE=catbarf;51059958]Eh, there's a fine line between 'fulfilling' and 'productive'. I have hobbies that I find fulfilling, but the fact that I don't earn much money on them indicates that they're not terribly productive to society. I'm struggling to think of what kinds of things I'd consider productive that don't earn money- charity work, I guess? But then that's really just doing a job for free.[/QUOTE] There's plenty of things which can be fulfilling and be productive to society in some way, even if a minor way, that just isn't something that would be profitable. For example I deal with hosting the community for an lper I watch. Best case scenario here is that I'm down the money it costs to pay for the hosting and I definitely don't make money doing it. But I find it fulfilling and it does provide to society in a minor way since it gives said lper's fans a place to congregate and be social with each other.