Meet the NEETS: They're young and able, but completely unwilling to look for work - Polidicks

I realized over this summer when I got a job at a grocery store how much I missed not working. I never got to do anything with my friends, because surprise I was working and workplaces don't like last minute plans!!! But I'm so glad i got to miss out on a summer of fun with my friends and travelling with my family (because of my job I had to stay home while my family went to Jamestown and Gettysburg) because at least I have some money right??

[QUOTE=Taepodong-2;51060667]Not really, I've applied to every minimum wage job since graduating university almost 5 months ago along with a bunch of other bullshit in nearby cities and I only just got an interview set up for today.[/QUOTE] I'm almost at month 3 even with using government resources. I've got a job developer who calls owners of companies and it's taken a month and a half before it even got to the point where I got an interview with someone. Might be due to my fuck labor work though as I want to get into the tech world now as I enjoy it.

Between moving around a lot, family & financial issues, and general bad timing, I'm in kind of a twilight zone before I can actually go to college properly. I feel like I should get a job in the meantime, but at the same time I feel I have an excuse to wait. People talk about being a NEET driving them crazy, yet I don't feel it much. I have people I can talk to often, things I can do, both receptive & creative, my family's decently well-off without being rich even if we get into some scrapes. I live with my folks, and they're quite accomodating. I contribute where I can, if not financially. I feel like dropping all the respect I have for myself and throwing myself against a job full of people that fuckin' hate me and will do anything to get rid of me if it'd save a cent will be the exact thing to make me more depressed, not less. I'm almost certain I have anxiety issues thrumming underneath the surface that I keep myself distracted from-- it runs in the family-- and I'm afraid they might boil over if the reality of "tough shit, sucker" sets in. My interaction with other human beings is what keeps me sane. I know absolutely fucking nobody in this town, since I moved back 'home' after I finished high school, and have no idea of where to go to meet people. I've never really trusted physical meet-ups after the first few friendships severed, so I mostly hang with folks I meet on the internet and that suits me actually rather well. The talk of 'empty existences' and 'having nothing to live for' baffles and, to some extent, disturbs me. I've gotten on well enough over all this time, this waiting period, so to speak. Am I a bad person for that? Am I somehow hollow, that I feel this all, if not fulfills me entirely, sustains me? Am I mentally unwell, that I feel I'll miss this life? Am I less of a person because I'm -not- going crazy? At least I'm not chronically ill.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51060641]I'm glad these people exist. Less competition for me. I don't care if the economy sucks or it's hard to find a job. It's not impossible to do, and it's in fact very easy to get a full time job if you're willing to take less money. Why don't you take some responsibility, roll with the punches, and even *gasp* blame yourself for some of the hardships in your life. Just saying "it's hard these days" will do nothing for you.[/QUOTE] What a black and white way to look at a completely grey issue.

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;51058740]I think the worst part of it is how unnecessary this all is, we produce way too fucking much, way more than we need to. It's more than possible for the average work week to be <20 hours. But nah, we collectively have chosen more stuff rather than fewer hours. And many jobs don't even really need to exist comprising a huge chunk of the service industry. Oh well, mass automation will be a huge kick in the gut to society that will probably change this.[/QUOTE] We have to buy the latest car that's only marginally better because forcing everything to be obsolete as soon as the new thing came out is a legit strategy. [editline]16th September 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=bdd458;51060688]I realized over this summer when I got a job at a grocery store how much I missed not working. I never got to do anything with my friends, because surprise I was working and workplaces don't like last minute plans!!! But I'm so glad i got to miss out on a summer of fun with my friends and travelling with my family (because of my job I had to stay home while my family went to Jamestown and Gettysburg) because at least I have some money right??[/QUOTE] Hold up, you're mad because a place which expects you and gives you a week in advance to plan shit out is mad because you decided to be spontaneous which puts all the other workers on the line and forces another dude who has to come in on their day off because you wanted to be quirk and spontaneous? Are you really that much a fucking jackass? Are you that motherfucker that constantly calls out leaving assistant managers on fucking notice because now they have to stay behind?

Yeah "last minute plans" are not okay at any sort of job because it fucks other people over. Unless you're self employed, no employer will be okay with that. And that's reasonable. 1-2 weeks in advance for time off is standard.

I never tried calling out for those lol, I was just super disappointed I never got to do anything because my friends refused to plan anything out ahead of time. I guess its just easier to put words there I never said and act like an ACTUAL jackass. [editline]16th September 2016[/editline] I've called out once and that's because I was fucking behind on homework. [editline]16th September 2016[/editline] Like I even said "I never got to do anything", the implication being that I WAS at work rather than with my friends. Is reading difficult???? My entire thing was about how my job leaves me with no time for myself. When i get out i''m exhausted and my feet/legs are achy and sore, sometimes too much for me to be able to do anything else. It's barely worth the effort and time when at the end of it I don't get to actually do anything. While I have nothing truly against my employer, my issue really stems from frustration at the greater system where you pretty much have to do this or not survive at all.

[QUOTE=Vitisus;51060776] The talk of 'empty existences' and 'having nothing to live for' baffles and, to some extent, disturbs me. I've gotten on well enough over all this time, this waiting period, so to speak. Am I a bad person for that? Am I somehow hollow, that I feel this all, if not fulfills me entirely, sustains me? Am I mentally unwell, that I feel I'll miss this life? Am I less of a person because I'm -not- going crazy?[/QUOTE] All I would ask of you is to be as aware as possible of what you actually want from your existence and what you live for. What makes you feel like an actual human being who is doing human being-ish things? What do you actually care about while living on this planet of ours?

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51060641]I'm glad these people exist. Less competition for me. I don't care if the economy sucks or it's hard to find a job. It's not impossible to do, and it's in fact very easy to get a full time job if you're willing to take less money. Why don't you take some responsibility, roll with the punches, and even *gasp* blame yourself for some of the hardships in your life. Just saying "it's hard these days" will do nothing for you.[/QUOTE] I'm guessing you're another out of touch middle class American then who thinks he's got it all sorted out and ignores the massive advantages he had over everyone else.

I was a neet for almost three years. I felt like a failure in the eyes of society and my parents. Gave me a bad depression and everything went to shit. My first job was horrible so I had no motivation to keep moving forward. What I do now is having several part time jobs in places that I have a strong passion for, theater, television and film-production. Also currently studying sociology>criminology, aiming for a master. To anyone who's entering adulthood soon, follow this advice: Don't fall into that evil endless loop, it sucks fucking ass.

Though in my eyes there's a difference between a job and a career. I have a career in mind that I'm working towards via school, and careers are something actually fufilling that you want to do and enjoy doing. Jobs on the otherhand are just filler, that don'5 actually do anything for you. And one person's job could be part of another's career.

[QUOTE=The bird Man;51060987] To anyone who's entering adulthood soon, follow this advice: Don't fall into that evil endless loop, it sucks fucking ass.[/QUOTE] At the same time it could be reasonable to show optimism and state that being a NEET could end up being a vastly important formative experience? The most important part about being one is to have the persistent awareness of it being extremely temporary, and something that exists for you to figure things out and find a place in life. All kinds of people end up in all kinds of situations, and just because an adult individual goes through a period of not having cash nor being willing/able to instantly change that, does not even remotely mean that there is something wrong with them, especially in the hysterical clusterfuck that is modern day society.

Like if I had a choice between doing fieldwork for archeaology and hanging out with my friends I'd take thenfield work every damn time. The only reason not hanging out with my friends is dasappointing now is because its something far more fufilling and interesting to me than standing around bagging groceries for minimum wage. Why should anyone, anywhere, have to be stuck doing something they don't see worthwhile beyond getting a paycheck just to survive when they could, and honestly SHOULD be doing things they find more fufilling.

Not sure if I'm a full or half NEET since I'm in Community College, but if there is anything I can say about the NEET lifestyle from my perspective... [B]I fucking hate it with every fibre of my being and it makes me want to kill myslef.[/B] I can't get a fucking job for shit. I've applied to hundreds of different places over the past four years, a fact that parents choose to ignore when lecturing me about how much of a stupid lazy shit I supposedly am, and I had one place that hired me a year ago. That place was my fucking dream job because I was a tournament operator for Magic: The Gathering and I got 30% discounts on cards I needed. Know how that turned out? Let go three weeks after getting hired because the store overhired and because the managers got on my case for being really nervous since I was scared about losing the one fucking job that I was lucky enough to get. And guess what? My parents remind me of this every single day. "Oh, Spas, we've been telling you to find work for four years. You worked three weeks of your life and lost that job. We have to pay for your school and we have to cart you around everywhere and we hate it." I have to hear this every day of my life, regardless of how much I do around the house to compensate for not having a job, no matter how many applications and resumes I send in, now matter how much I research on what I have to do to get into my career field (I'm studying to be a sound engineer), no matter what my grades are like (which have been a billion times better than when I was in highschool battling depression and suicidal thoughts for the majority of it which they didn't give two shits about), I have to hear this entire bullshit schlock of fuck [B]every single day of my life.[/B] I've been looking for work since I was 16 and every time, I get fucked over. Hundreds of applications, a handful of replies that usually end up as "sorry, this one guy who had a job before is more qualified for this fucking entry position than you are". I've driven around my town and gone to businesses with help wanted signs out front only to be told that there's no positions and that they just keep the signs outside in case there are. I had an interview at McDonalds for a cashier position where, after two interviews in person and telling me they'd call me a few days after Interview #2, they told me they never had a position in the first place. A job interview at KFC ended when the managers told me I was "too serious" during the interview when that's how I've been taught to act during interviews for the majority of my teenage life. I've applied to a local restaurant and gotten nothing and yet my dad keeps asking "why didn't you get the job? you should have done better." And what's scary is reading through this thread, it seems like I'm not the only one having trouble finding some shitty min wage job. This system we have now is a fucking joke. Go to school and get a fucking astrophysics degree just so you can get that shitty job at Walmart pushing carts from 9-5 for min wage, assuming you get the job over the thousands of other applicants. Pray to god that you get a job early on in your teen years or that you have connections so you can get one at some point easy. Meanwhile, our parents get on our case and treat us like shit because we don't have the advantage they had where they could walk into a Mom and Pop store in town and get hired on the spot. It's a miserable existence and the worst part for me is that living like this is making me more depressed and more aggressive than I was when this was happening in highschool. I'm getting to the point where the thought of hitting 21 before finding another job makes me want to fucking kill myself now to avoid the possibility of being a 21 year old loser with no job. The guilt of living with my fucking parents still and relying on them for transport and getting all of the shit I get from them is already enough to make me want to kill myself, but I'm pretty sure if year 21 comes along and I'm still unemployed, it might be enough to just put me over the edge. And quite frankly, getting a job doesn't sound much more tantalizing either. The best part of it is that I get money to afford some of the cards or games I want and to pay for a car and that my parents leave me alone for a while until they decide I have to move out probably a year later or get on my case because the house isn't clean now that I'm working and going to school. I'll be stuck in that job probably until I get out of school, probably longer if I rack up debt. I don't want to be stuck in a shit job for two decades of my life. I want to see the world I live in, I want to travel and make music with people in other countries, I want to start a band and practice at singing and put my skills in sound editing to use with that, I want to join the Magic pro circuit and make it to the Grand Prix, I want to meet someone and start a family and get a large apartment in the city, there's so much shit I WANT to do but can't because I'll have to get up every day just to kiss some manager's ass and get bitched at by fucking soccer moms at walmart because I don't have the cream for their lumbago in the sports aisle or get shit on by the Boomers for working in a min wage job instead of getting a real one JUST so that I can afford to eat and survive while my parents get to kick back and retire in another 10 or so years as their brewery takes off. I don't want my life to be this way. I didn't fucking sign up for this. As soon as I get a job, I'm getting a gun license, buying a revolver and a box of ammo, and putting them in a safety deposit box somewhere just so that I can have a way out if things continue to be this bad or worse even after I manage to get a foothold.

You know what? I hate work with every fibre, if you're not doing it then someone out there hates you for not working because they're working a job they hate in order to "pay" for your life through taxes. If these people can be smart enough one day that they don't even need to work in order to live then we've found an alternative to living which work always tries to drill into you that if you don't do it then you're not going to live but only exist. The thing is, existing is living and eventually there will come a point where you will like living an existence rather than what everyone else considers a living.

[QUOTE=MrJazzy;51058576]The idea of working a 9-5 job every day, every week for the rest of my life with only a couple of weeks of vacation every year gives me existensial anxiety.[/QUOTE] You could always work 8-5 (you get an hour lunch but you're not paid for it unlike 9-5) working in hot attics, musty crawl spaces, etc., for $96 a day after going to a community college ($1500) to learn the trade you're doing this work for, with one weeks' vacation and no sick days. Then again that may explain the anxiety/depression. :v:

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;51060980]I'm guessing you're another out of touch middle class American then who thinks he's got it all sorted out and ignores the massive advantages he had over everyone else.[/QUOTE] You're wrong. I already established that it may be very hard to get a job. But what does sitting around complaining do to help? Yeah, the world is stacked against you. Accept it, and then ask yourself how you can overcome it. I don't know. Maybe I'm built differently, but I never complain. I can't even imagine complaining about my job to somebody else. That's why I always cringe/get angry whenever I see those threads where sniveling little whiners complain about their "backbreaking" retail job. I work in a warehouse 8 hours a day 5 days a week. For 2 days last week I worked in a convention center for 5 night hours after the warehouse, AND I worked 16 hours over the weekend. I would never in a million years complain about this. This is how you get ahead.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51061176]You're wrong. I already established that it may be very hard to get a job. But what does sitting around complaining do to help? Yeah, the world is stacked against you. Accept it, and then ask yourself how you can overcome it. I don't know. Maybe I'm built differently, but I never complain. I can't even imagine complaining about my job to somebody else. That's why I always cringe/get angry whenever I see those threads where sniveling little whiners complain about their "backbreaking" retail job. I work in a warehouse 8 hours a day 5 days a week. For 2 days last week I worked in a convention center for 5 night hours after the warehouse, AND I worked 16 hours over the weekend. I would never in a million years complain about this. This is how you get ahead.[/QUOTE] People have different tolerances, different energy and health levels, different circumstances in life, work, and schooling. Just because you can handle something doesn't mean everyone can.

Can't wait to pick up my master's degree and then my second degree just so I can flip burgers/stack shelves. I should have chosen to been born in the 1980s instead! That will show these new kids how easy it was to get a job.

I wish the NEETS would get jobs in their communities. We need help taking care of the elderly, etc and fuck us if we have more cuts...

I've been a NEET for a majority of my adult life, because the only jobs I can get are factory/warehouse positions... which are soul sucking and make me incredibly depressed and anxious after a few months - you are treated like shit, you get paid as little as possible and you work long hours. I've really had enough, I'm not doing those disgusting jobs and nobody is going to force me to anymore, I've got great computer skills but nope! I don't have a piece of paper saying I can hit save on a word document! so any admin/IT job I apply to is almost automatically rejected. Currently living on a mix of benefit and Youtube income and it's probably going to stay that way thanks to society saying I am only fit for a 40-50hr/week min wage warehouse/factory job. [QUOTE=BioWaster;51061252]I wish the NEETS would get jobs in their communities. We need help taking care of the elderly, etc and fuck us if we have more cuts...[/QUOTE] You seem to think I can just go up to an office and say "Hi yes one carer job please!" It's not as simple as that, I've applied to various carer jobs in the past, all of which didn't require any experience apparently, never heard back from any of them... one of the places was only a five minute walk away from my house.

Care jobs also mostly require extra certifications like CPR/First Aid/AED which is expensive to get unless a company is willing to pay for you to obtain it.

[QUOTE=Spastik2D;51061079] I don't want my life to be this way. I didn't fucking sign up for this. As soon as I get a job, I'm getting a gun license, buying a revolver and a box of ammo, and putting them in a safety deposit box somewhere just so that I can have a way out if things continue to be this bad or worse even after I manage to get a foothold.[/QUOTE] You need to seek help.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51061176]You're wrong. I already established that it may be very hard to get a job. But what does sitting around complaining do to help? Yeah, the world is stacked against you. Accept it, and then ask yourself how you can overcome it. I don't know. Maybe I'm built differently, but I never complain. I can't even imagine complaining about my job to somebody else. That's why I always cringe/get angry whenever I see those threads where sniveling little whiners complain about their "backbreaking" retail job. I work in a warehouse 8 hours a day 5 days a week. For 2 days last week I worked in a convention center for 5 night hours after the warehouse, AND I worked 16 hours over the weekend. I would never in a million years complain about this. This is how you get ahead.[/QUOTE] "Bootstraps boot straps bootstraps" Lets see how far ahead I got by working for 6 months in the film industry, with my head down doing good work, almost 7 days a week, every week, for an average of 16 hours a day. Oh that's right, I didn't get anywhere despite working myself to the point where I literally lost two toenails in my steel toe boots, and herniated my back. But nah, I can't complain about that, only whiny bitches complain, even with a herniated disc! Sometimes, putting your head down and working hard doesn't get you anywhere. It gets you taken advantage of, but because [B]YOU'VE[/B] never been through it, that [B]NEVER[/B] happens, right?

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51061176]You're wrong. I already established that it may be very hard to get a job. But what does sitting around complaining do to help? Yeah, the world is stacked against you. Accept it, and then ask yourself how you can overcome it. I don't know. Maybe I'm built differently, but I never complain. I can't even imagine complaining about my job to somebody else. That's why I always cringe/get angry whenever I see those threads where sniveling little whiners complain about their "backbreaking" retail job. I work in a warehouse 8 hours a day 5 days a week. For 2 days last week I worked in a convention center for 5 night hours after the warehouse, AND I worked 16 hours over the weekend. I would never in a million years complain about this. This is how you get ahead.[/QUOTE] You work in a warehouse, therefore everyone can find a job? What? I know people who've applied for all manner of jobs and gotten nothing, hell one of my friends couldn't even get voluntary work because the fucking charity shops demanded prior experience, this is a person with a degree who can't even work for free because of the absurd standards employers have now. People start to complain when they've exhausted all their options and still come out with jack shit.

[QUOTE=BioWaster;51061252]I wish the NEETS would get jobs in their communities. We need help taking care of the elderly, etc and fuck us if we have more cuts...[/QUOTE] As someone who takes care of a Grandparent who worked himself to near death, let me tell you first hand: It is not always easy work. Not all elderly are nice and calm people. My grandfather is getting worse by the year but still maintains a heavy independence. He can't be put into a nursing home because he will both give the nurses a hard time [b]and[/b] attempt to escape when he gets sick of it. He had a heart attack last year. This required a ramp up of medications in addition to more check-ups and monitoring. I'm slowly breaking to pieces watching him waste away. This on top of trying to find a job that both pays well enough and allows me to watch him. I try to do some work online but it does not pay well enough to allow me to pursue any interesting career or hobby. Mind you I got put into this by essentially being the one person who was around and wasn't working at the moment. I can't imagine doing it for a job. I really feel for caregivers who chose to go into it.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51061559]"Bootstraps boot straps bootstraps" Lets see how far ahead I got by working for 6 months in the film industry, with my head down doing good work, almost 7 days a week, every week, for an average of 16 hours a day. Oh that's right, I didn't get anywhere despite working myself to the point where I literally lost two toenails in my steel toe boots, and herniated my back. But nah, I can't complain about that, only whiny bitches complain, even with a herniated disc! Sometimes, putting your head down and working hard doesn't get you anywhere. It gets you taken advantage of, but because [B]YOU'VE[/B] never been through it, that [B]NEVER[/B] happens, right?[/QUOTE] If you're getting physically injured while doing your job then quit. Even by a cost-benefit analysis that doesn't make sense. But what does complaining about it now accomplish. Move forward and keep trying. [editline]16th September 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Pascall;51061206]People have different tolerances, different energy and health levels, different circumstances in life, work, and schooling. Just because you can handle something doesn't mean everyone can.[/QUOTE] Then I guess I'm just better than everyone else in this thread? Idk what to make of that.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51061729]If you're getting physically injured while doing your job then quit. Even by a cost-benefit analysis that doesn't make sense. But what does complaining about it now accomplish. Move forward and keep trying.[/QUOTE] I did. You're saying "You can't complain". I'm telling you outright that's fucking idiotic and based on nothing. I moved on, but you know what? I had to give up something I was passionate about because of how much it physically cost me because my bosses were assholes and probably repeated the same mantra you repeat to yourself every night. From a cost benefit analysis, no, it doesn't make sense, I worked my ass off, one of the hardest working people on set, I didn't get a job after. I didn't complain, I kept my head down, did my work, and made a few friends. That didn't pay off because oddly enough, not everything works out for the best and leads you to the next thing. It led me to 6 months of an even shittier job that led me to a shittier job that forced me to pick a career I don't enjoy in order to pay the bills and make a long term plan. That's how things worked out for me in the real world, no amount of "Just put your head down and work" has saved me from that so I find it incredulous that you just go around posting your anecdotal experiences about how easy it is. Yeah, for you it sure as fuck seems like it was. If we lived in a world where no one complained years afterwords, we'd live in a world where we don't actively analyze things from our history. I can tell you that because I've "complained" I've discovered things and thought about things that I probably wouldn't have if I just said "Nah, can't complain, that's for whiners, everythings awesome".

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51061729]If you're getting physically injured while doing your job then quit. Even by a cost-benefit analysis that doesn't make sense. But what does complaining about it now accomplish. Move forward and keep trying. [editline]16th September 2016[/editline] Then I guess I'm just better than everyone else in this thread? Idk what to make of that.[/QUOTE] I must ask how old you are?

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51061729] Then I guess I'm just better than everyone else in this thread? Idk what to make of that.[/QUOTE] You're not impressing or inspiring anyone with that attitude.