Meet the NEETS: They're young and able, but completely unwilling to look for work - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51061729]If you're getting physically injured while doing your job then quit. Even by a cost-benefit analysis that doesn't make sense. But what does complaining about it now accomplish. Move forward and keep trying. [editline]16th September 2016[/editline] Then I guess I'm just better than everyone else in this thread? Idk what to make of that.[/QUOTE] "I'm better than everyone" or "I'm different than everyone"

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51061729] Then I guess I'm just better than everyone else in this thread? Idk what to make of that.[/QUOTE] No you're just lucky.

[QUOTE=milktree;51061776]You're not impressing or inspiring anyone with that attitude.[/QUOTE] I'm saying it doesn't make sense. I don't feel "better" than everyone yet just s few posts above there is a guy who says his warehouse job gave him depression and anxiety. I'm honestly baffled at that.

[QUOTE=DELL;51061774]I must ask how old you are?[/QUOTE] more importantly how well-off is his family

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51061767]I did. You're saying "You can't complain". I'm telling you outright that's fucking idiotic and based on nothing. I moved on, but you know what? I had to give up something I was passionate about because of how much it physically cost me because my bosses were assholes and probably repeated the same mantra you repeat to yourself every night. From a cost benefit analysis, no, it doesn't make sense, I worked my ass off, one of the hardest working people on set, I didn't get a job after. I didn't complain, I kept my head down, did my work, and made a few friends. That didn't pay off because oddly enough, not everything works out for the best and leads you to the next thing. It led me to 6 months of an even shittier job that led me to a shittier job that forced me to pick a career I don't enjoy in order to pay the bills and make a long term plan. That's how things worked out for me in the real world, no amount of "Just put your head down and work" has saved me from that so I find it incredulous that you just go around posting your anecdotal experiences about how easy it is. Yeah, for you it sure as fuck seems like it was. If we lived in a world where no one complained years afterwords, we'd live in a world where we don't actively analyze things from our history. I can tell you that because I've "complained" I've discovered things and thought about things that I probably wouldn't have if I just said "Nah, can't complain, that's for whiners, everythings awesome".[/QUOTE] So do you think that the system is broken if you follow your dreams, work hard, and still fail? That's not how it has ever worked. I'm arguing against the "NEETs" or whatever. Complaining cannot be a substitute for actually trying.

[QUOTE=Headhumpy;51061827]more importantly how well-off is his family[/QUOTE] Well if he's working in a warehouse for eight hours probably not very, more he was just lucky enough to come across a job like that (although I'd debate on whether you could call that lucky) Different areas will have different amounts of job openings, so obviously he was just in the right place at the right time.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;51061837]Well if he's working in a warehouse for eight hours probably not very, more he was just lucky enough to come across a job like that (although I'd debate on whether you could call that lucky) Different areas will have different amounts of job openings, so obviously he was just in the right place at the right time.[/QUOTE] I know it's a last resort (as it should be) but people should also consider moving to find employment.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51061851]I know it's a last resort (as it should be) but people should also consider moving to find employment.[/QUOTE] How are you supposed to move if you can't find a job to get the money in the first place? Moving is expensive.

I've hated all my jobs during the past 10 years and I actually wish nothing but to turn into a neet again. but money.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51061828]So do you think that the system is broken if you follow your dreams, work hard, and still fail? That's not how it has ever worked. I'm arguing against the "NEETs" or whatever. Complaining cannot be a substitute for actually trying.[/QUOTE] I think the system is broken if it encourages that kind of behaviour over and over and over again. I'm not saying I deserve my dream. No one "Deserves" their next breath, let alone anything else. If you can give your all into something, be the model employee, and still get fucked for that while people who have no work ethic what so ever get promoted above you because "That's the way the system works buddy" then yeah, I think the system is broken. You are strictly looking at this from your perspective.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51061851]I know it's a last resort (as it should be) but people should also consider moving to find employment.[/QUOTE] How are you meant to move if you have no money to begin with? I can appreciate some principle of what you say (there [I]are[/I] plenty of people who moan about how it's impossible to succeed because they applied to a few fast food joints and didn't get hired, get on with your lives), but conversely there [I]are[/I] plenty of others who are genuinely fucked due to circumstances beyond their control. I work extremely hard and have been relatively successful as a result, but even then I have to attribute much of my success to having a supportive family that has raised me to be a competent worker and helped me receive training for a field that basically guarantees me a job anywhere at any time. Not everyone is so fortunate, some people have no training or marketable skills and no money to pursue that training, no time to learn those skills (to an extent, you can always find time but expecting everyone to self-teach something like programming while trying to survive independently is unrealistic and definitely nothing to strive for in a society), and no money to move or change their condition. I dated a girl who went to art school and got 20k in debt then dropped out after realizing she not only couldn't afford more schooling/debt but that the program itself was something of a sham. Is it her fault for not researching the program and going into debt for something that wouldn't provide any real return? Yeah, maybe. But it's a reasonable mistake for a 18 year old girl to make. Now she's stuck working a relatively dead-end job who can barely afford her apartment even with help from her family out of state. What is she supposed to do? She's pretty much fucked, and so are millions of other Americans.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51061851]I know it's a last resort (as it should be) but people should also consider moving to find employment.[/QUOTE] Honestly, walk me through the logic of how you have no money, move to an area where I assume, housing isn't free, nor is food, and then start your life? How does that really work? Have you done it?

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;51061174]You could always work 8-5 (you get an hour lunch but you're not paid for it unlike 9-5) working in hot attics, musty crawl spaces, etc., for $96 a day after going to a community college ($1500) to learn the trade you're doing this work for, with one weeks' vacation and no sick days. Then again that may explain the anxiety/depression. :v:[/QUOTE] I was doing just that this past year minus the one weeks vacation and a half hour lunch rather then hour lunch and trade school was $3000 a year, with said trade school being shit and our teacher a bootleg Hillary Clinton who kept telling us class funds were "disappearing" and she didn't know what happened to it. All the money I had saved up went towards keeping my truck together and not falling apart so I don't have to finance a new car while getting fucked by insurance costs.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;51061879]Honestly, walk me through the logic of how you have no money, move to an area where I assume, housing isn't free, nor is food, and then start your life? How does that really work? Have you done it?[/QUOTE] That's obviously impossible. But if you are looking for better employment you can save up and look elsewhere.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51061901]That's obviously impossible. But if you are looking for better employment you can save up and look elsewhere.[/QUOTE] But what if you [I]can't[/I] save up? There are plenty who are already living off of debt and family assistance because they can't raise the minimum money necessary to pay their bills and keep themselves alive. What happens then, other than just working forever in squalor?

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51061901]That's obviously impossible. But if you are looking for better employment you can save up and look elsewhere.[/QUOTE] You do know some areas just have high prices of living that makes saving very hard

You're not "better than" people who may have varying levels of physical and mental health, you're just lucky that you don't have to deal with anxiety, depression, chronic pain, or chronic illness. My jobs didn't cause any of these things in me, they've just aggravated it because of employers who don't understand. Most people have to work with these things. Their work didn't cause it.

In my area there are three subway restaurants. They hire new staff every 3 months or so. I'm not sure how it works but apparently they pay less tax when they have trainees working. Every 3 months the entire staff of subway get fired. We get a new bunch of guys who can't cut a sandwich properly and the previous lot who have just gotten good at it get dumped right into the 6 months jobseekers sanction after being fired, with only whatever they saved from that last minimum wage paycheck to live on. Every few months every member of staff in subway gets dumped into complete poverty, all so the guy running this particular branch of subway can make a little bit more cash. When companies are screwing employees over left and right- Fuck those risks for minimum wage. The only incentive we have to work around here is "ur scum if you don't", if working doesn't make my life better, If the money I would make wouldn't even be enough to save then why even bother?. I'm applying for every job I can and ive had one interview in 3 years, all the while getting less and less convinced getting a job would even improve my lot in life.

What some people don't realize is parents and childhood are factors into being a NEET, and I'm a clear example. My parents babied the hell out of me when I was little, and they had also completely neglected to teach me the most important skills necessary to be of use to people around me. When I had started work at a warehouse job I had absolutely no idea how work around me had played out (not knowing how to operate a simple machine such as a weedwhacker and not being able recognize certain equipment). I also lacked social skills with the additional fact that the only people around me were much older, so it was pretty tough for them to understand my issues and that means that my work just got much more difficult than it should be. Not only that I couldn't get my job done with ease because I'm also suffering from some lower back pain that comes from incorrect lifting over the years, so it's pretty tough to stand up for long periods of time or to just simply lift heavy objects now. I'm scared of my future, and I'm already having trouble starting college (plus the uncertainty of getting a career with the addition of student debt) and the only work around me is physically demanding (I'm out of shape), and also forces me to work under pressure (I don't do well under pressure often by being forced to do things quickly or simply facing work with high traffic). The work around is also minimum wage so I definitely [b]CANNOT SURVIVE[/b] on such work without relying on my parents or just hope and pray that you find someone willing to give you a better deal than what many people get on a daily basis. I don't want to get a job if this is the shit I'm going have to put up with, being a NEET sounds better than playing with the cards I was dealt. My brother is already going through this too, he's being a NEET but my parents are demanding him to start paying bills or they'll evict him from the house, and my turn to make a move is coming up as well. I've been lucky to avoid all this until now but life is catching up to me and I don't know what to do. It's not easy going from a completely spoiled kid to a compliant and obedient worker in this condition and I can understand others who are being NEET's from similar backgrounds. My future looks pretty grim since I have absolutely no one close that I can count on to help me out; it's also not helping with how disconnected from reality people can be especially when it comes to the current political climate from where I live. You can't simply pull yourself up by your bootstraps if you lack the boots to stand on in the first place.

[QUOTE=BioWaster;51061252]I wish the NEETS would get jobs in their communities. We need help taking care of the elderly, etc and fuck us if we have more cuts...[/QUOTE] I'd love to be able to get a job that gives back to the community in some way. But all those jobs require prior experience and additional training and certifications unless you want to be a cop, but even that requires an additional certification in the form of a driver's license.

Im only young for a limited amount if time, its really hard for me to be motivated to actually want to waste that time laboring my ass off surrounded by people I dislike (social anxiety makes it hard for me to get comfortable around coworkers) for a wage that bafely gets me by. I can understand the perspective that neets view the world from.

[QUOTE=nox;51062210]Im only young for a limited amount if time, its really hard for me to be motivated to actually want to waste that time laboring my ass off surrounded by people I dislike (social anxiety makes it hard for me to get comfortable around coworkers) for a wage that bafely gets me by. I can understand the perspective that neets view the world from.[/QUOTE] Welcome to all of recorded history. You're not going to be happy all the time or even most of the time. Life sucks.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51062245]Welcome to all of recorded history. You're not going to be happy all the time or even most of the time. Life sucks.[/QUOTE] How dare people cope with that differently than you, you're clearly better than them. Seriously though, we have so much excess we could all live decent lives. We don't because we value the excess of some more than the lives of all. When I can watch people fail upwards in EVERY job or field I've ever worked in, yeah I do think there's issues to fix.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51061814]I'm saying it doesn't make sense. I don't feel "better" than everyone yet just s few posts above there is a guy who says his warehouse job gave him depression and anxiety. I'm honestly baffled at that.[/QUOTE] Look at my post - would you say the same to me? [quote]Different personality type. I am currently a NEET but it's not because I want to be, it's because of my anxiety. I don't cope well with others face to face. I've tried multiple jobs in the past year (three) and none of them ended up working out because at the end of the day I just felt depressed and totally out of place. Not having money sucks, but as shitty as it is, I prefer this to the alternative of constantly feeling judged and as though I don't belong. I don't take advantage of unemployment, though. I don't want to take free handouts. I don't like the stigma attached to it. This is also the same reason I dropped out of high-school; cripping anxiety. My only friend moved away half way through grade 9 and after that I just couldn't handle it. Fortunately I was able to get my G.E.D, but I still feel extremely limited.[/quote] You're saying you're "baffled" by it. Different people are made of different stuff. Your attitude towards this is actually pissing me off. I'm not a NEET because I choose to be, I'm a NEET because I literally cannot work due to my anxiety. I've tried multiple jobs, to the point that I felt so anxious that I actually had to walk out on one of them. It's not something I've a choice over or feel good about, and you seem to feel like that's bullshit. My friend is constantly badgering me to find another job and to just [I]"get over it"[/I] because he is eager to move into an apartment with me, but guess what? You can't really just shrug it off. Anxiety is something that's wired into your brain and follows you everywhere. It's a voice in the back of your head. Not everybody is made of the same stuff as you. It's [B]not[/B] just a switch that needs flicking. I was in the back of the cooler on the day that I had to walk out about ready to break down in tears. I suppose that's not something you have experience with yet you're so ready to dismiss this as "baffling".

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51061814]I'm saying it doesn't make sense. I don't feel "better" than everyone yet just s few posts above there is a guy who says his warehouse job gave him depression and anxiety. I'm honestly baffled at that.[/QUOTE] Been on both sides of the "mindset" and worked some years in Warehouse jobs. Whilst it's illogical to imply that the job is entirely the reason people can end up that way it is definitely something that can contribute greatly towards it. Not sure how it works in the US but in my area Warehouse jobs are temp agency jobs with low pay, uncertain hours, mindless monotonous work with no chance to climb the ladder or gain a skillset applicable elsewhere and more often than not you end up being on agency for years before you even get a shot at a job with the company itself. I don't have enough fingers to count the amount of people I've known who were working for an agency at minimum wage for 3-5 years and couldn't get a better deal elsewhere nor a full-time contract because job security is non-existent in this place. I was suffering from severe depression and anxiety since I left college so about 6 years of it around the time of my warehouse stint. Whilst I definitely was failing at helping myself, I was equally stuck working these bad jobs because of no experience. Eventually entered NEET status 2 or 3 times and the third time was most recently, pretty much from the start of this year until this month. Now I've got a job I love where I can learn tons of stuff on a full-time contract with a small but amazing group of people. It took everything in me but when you're working in a Warehouse that has the conditions my previous places of employment did you tend to lose hope very quickly. The factors involved in what leads people into NEET status are very numerous and it does differ per-person right down to which country you're in. Also worth noting NEET seems to have slightly different definitions between countries. Around here it purely refers to someone who has no job or education, doesn't factor in if it's by choice or not.

[QUOTE=BazzBerry;51062324]Look at my post - would you say the same to me? You're saying you're "baffled" by it. Different people are made of different stuff. Your attitude towards this is actually pissing me off. I'm not a NEET because I choose to be, I'm a NEET because I literally cannot work due to my anxiety. I've tried multiple jobs, to the point that I felt so anxious that I actually had to walk out on one of them. It's not something I've a choice over or feel good about, and you seem to feel like that's bullshit. My friend is constantly badgering me to find another job and to just [I]"get over it"[/I] because he is eager to move into an apartment with me, but guess what? You can't really just shrug it off. Anxiety is something that's wired into your brain and follows you everywhere. It's a voice in the back of your head. Not everybody is made of the same stuff as you. It's [B]not[/B] just a switch that needs flicking. I was in the back of the cooler on the day that I had to walk out about ready to break down in tears. I suppose that's not something you have experience with yet you're so ready to dismiss this as "baffling".[/QUOTE] It's baffling because I can't picture ever experiencing that. I guess I just have a huge advantage in life over people like you. What you're describing basically makes you disabled.

Anxiety and depression is a disability. Congratulations.

[QUOTE=Pantz Master;51062369]It's baffling because I can't picture ever experiencing that. I guess I just have a huge advantage in life over people like you. What you're describing basically makes you disabled.[/QUOTE] You do have a huge advantage and it seems as though it's an advantage you take for granted.

[QUOTE=Pascall;51062374]Anxiety and depression is a disability. Congratulations.[/QUOTE] Then I feel total sympathy. But don't pretend that's what these "NEETs" are all about.

A lot of neets are incapable of working because of a disability. Not necessarily the girls in the OP, no. But a LOT of them. To write off that as a rare occurrence is stupid.