• China imposes sanctions on the United States
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And the exact same applies to China. Hence the whole fucking point of MAD.
[QUOTE=Lankist;20006306]And the exact same applies to China. Hence the whole fucking point of MAD.[/QUOTE] But China holds the Ace of Spades, in this case the reserve. Which is figuratively speaking, the trigger. Just for the record... Holy motherfucking shit, we are of Facepunch and we are having a rational discussion, which doesn't involve flaming ourselves to death. Be right back, checking the weather in Hell.
For Christ's sake! This thread is full of "China does this!" "Oh yeah, well America does this!" "Well America's screwed anyway!" "Nuh-uh!" "Uh-huh!". It's like being in the same room as the politicians making these sanctions.
Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!
[QUOTE=Stopper;20006383]But China holds the Ace of Spades, in this case the reserve. Which is figuratively speaking, the trigger. Just for the record... Holy motherfucking shit, we are of Facepunch and we are having a rational discussion, which doesn't involve flaming ourselves to death. Be right back, checking the weather in Hell.[/QUOTE] Ugh. You aren't getting this. China holds the trigger to a suicide bomb, not a gun.
I better not get drafted to fight the fuckin Chinese. Those people are nuts, their army had absolutely no problem murdering their own civilians back in '89. Hopefully this is just more of the same militaristic cock-waving that we've had going for the past century.
[QUOTE=Lankist;20006433]Ugh. You aren't getting this. China holds the trigger to a suicide bomb, not a gun.[/QUOTE] I am getting it, I'm just not sure if I can explain properly and express my point more correctly. It's called fear of death. It's like a blinking contest. Whoever has more courage (figuratively speaking) would intimidate the other, because the "other" would fear for his life more than the first guy.
Yeah that's not how MAD works. Didn't you learn anything about the Cold War? There's a reason it took bankruptcy of an entire nation to end it.
[QUOTE=Lankist;20005274]Tienanmen square never happened[/QUOTE] kent state bro hound bonus army skippy
What Lankist is trying to say is that despite the fact that China holds the card to start a war, it doesn't change the fact that China will get ass-raped just as badly or worse in the long-run.
[QUOTE=Lankist;20005580]act of war violates any number of international economic and trade laws/agreements China would then be seen as a rogue state, would lose any trust it has on the international scale, and would see a lot of sanctions flying in their direction from a great number of UN nations as well as a potential invasion and/or insurrection.[/QUOTE] Because corporations are just willing to kill their investments? [editline]06:20PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Exploits;20006591]What Lankist is trying to say is that despite the fact that China holds the card to start a war, it doesn't change the fact that China will get ass-raped just as badly or worse in the long-run.[/QUOTE] I doubt it would be worse, they hold a lot of interest in the US, the US holds a lot of need in China.
[QUOTE=Trotsky;20006588]kent state bro hound bonus army skippy[/QUOTE] President was impeached. Incident was nationally reported. Protests were successful. The fact that you can even compare the two is shameful.
[QUOTE=Exploits;20006591]What Lankist is trying to say is that despite the fact that China holds the card to start a war, it doesn't change the fact that China will get ass-raped just as badly or worse in the long-run.[/QUOTE] At least they aren't religious nutjobs who think it's their duty to bring about the apocalypse. If China starts something, it will be deliberate and planned. Which means we're fucked.
[QUOTE=Trotsky;20006601]Because corporations are just willing to kill their investments?.[/QUOTE] what the fuck is it with you and the conspiracy yammering. Nobody even fucking mentioned corporations.
[QUOTE=Lankist;20005580]act of war violates any number of international economic and trade laws/agreements China would then be seen as a rogue state, would lose any trust it has on the international scale, and would see a lot of sanctions flying in their direction from a great number of UN nations as well as a potential invasion and/or insurrection.[/QUOTE] America is amazingly good at making a state look rogue to be honest, especially when it is within self-interest.
[QUOTE=Lankist;20006621]President was impeached. Incident was nationally reported. Protests were successful. The fact that you can even compare the two is shameful.[/QUOTE] he was impeached for watergate, not kent state. MacArthur went on to be nationally decorated. And the fact the protests were successful mean nothing. if the Tienanmen square protests were successful as well as the massacre occurring, would the Chinese government have been forgiven? [editline]06:27PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Lankist;20006646]what the fuck is it with you and the conspiracy yammering. Nobody even fucking mentioned corporations.[/QUOTE] wait, no corporation holds stock in China? well shit [editline]06:28PM[/editline] IT'S ALL FOIL HAT that there's... LE GASP business in China?
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;20006691]America is amazingly good at making a state look rogue to be honest, especially when it is within self-interest.[/QUOTE] We are very good at being victimized. [editline]12:32PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Trotsky;20006716]MacArthur went on to be nationally decorated. And the fact the protests were successful mean nothing.[/quote] Uhh what? The protests were successful, that means everything. It means the protesters won and the government lost. [quote]if the Tienanmen square protests were successful as well as the massacre occurring, would the Chinese government have been forgiven??[/QUOTE] No. Who said I'd forgiven the government for shit like Kent State? The fuck is with your eyes, boy. You've trolled enough of my posts I'd expect you to realize I don't trust the government. There is a reason I am against the death penalty, there is a reason I advocate individualism. There's a reason I'm a goddamn skeptic. Clearly you have no valid argument as you have opted to, instead of reading the shit I say, hearwhatever the fuck it is you want to hear to fuel your own paranoia. [editline]12:33PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Trotsky;20006716]wait, no corporation holds stock in China?[/QUOTE] No corporation would hold stock in China should the government make its own sanctions. No corporation would stand idly by as China tried to destroy our economy.
[QUOTE=Lankist;20006755]We are very good at being victimized. [editline]12:32PM[/editline] Uhh what? The protests were successful, that means everything. It means the protesters won and the government lost. No. Who said I'd forgiven the government for shit like Kent State? The fuck is with your eyes, boy. You've trolled enough of my posts I'd expect you to realize I don't trust the government. There is a reason I am against the death penalty, there is a reason I advocate individualism. There's a reason I'm a goddamn skeptic. Clearly you have no valid argument as you have opted to, instead of reading the shit I say, hearwhatever the fuck it is you want to hear to fuel your own paranoia.[/quote] This didn't address a single point of mine gj [quote]No corporation would hold stock in China should the government make its own sanctions. No corporation would stand idly by as China tried to destroy our economy.[/QUOTE] that's cool we're talking about now what about companies like nike?
[QUOTE=Trotsky;20006970]This didn't address a single point of mine gj[/QUOTE] Nice dodge. Bullshit. You asked "if the Tienanmen square protests were successful as well as the massacre occurring, would the Chinese government have been forgiven?" and I said "No." That's a goddamn answer, it's just not the answer you wanted to hear.
Then how does the bonus army protest successes work into this?
Stop dodging. You're ignoring everything I fucking said. [quote]No. Who said I'd forgiven the government for shit like Kent State? The fuck is with your eyes, boy. You've trolled enough of my posts I'd expect you to realize I don't trust the government. There is a reason I am against the death penalty, there is a reason I advocate individualism. There's a reason I'm a goddamn skeptic. Clearly you have no valid argument as you have opted to, instead of reading the shit I say, hear whatever the fuck it is you want to hear to fuel your own paranoia.[/quote]
[QUOTE=Used Car Salesman;20006639]At least they aren't religious nutjobs who think it's their duty to bring about the apocalypse. If China starts something, it will be deliberate and planned. Which means we're fucked.[/QUOTE] Both sides, due to their dependance on each other's economies, would be equally fucked. That's globalism for you.
[QUOTE=Trotsky;20002473]uh, dude, the US has signed on to China, of course their going to get affected for their stupidity.[/QUOTE] I was talking about the whole "US getting a taste of their own medicine" part.
[QUOTE=Lankist;20007170]Stop dodging. You're ignoring everything I fucking said.[/QUOTE] [quote]No. Who said I'd forgiven the government for shit like Kent State?[/quote] I was implying the bonus army, simply because you said that specifically was a success. [quote]The fuck is with your eyes, boy. You've trolled enough of my posts I'd expect you to realize I don't trust the government. There is a reason I am against the death penalty, there is a reason I advocate individualism. There's a reason I'm a goddamn skeptic.[/quote] Not really relevant. All government is evil. Helping people is evil. yes, we get it. [quote]Clearly you have no valid argument as you have opted to, instead of reading the shit I say, hear whatever the fuck it is you want to hear to fuel your own paranoia.[/quote] Saying i'm paranoid implies I'm worried about something the American government is GOING to do. Kent state already happened brospeh, I'm not paranoid.
[QUOTE=Trotsky;20013024]Not really relevant. All government is evil. Helping people is evil. yes, we get it.[/QUOTE] So you've forgiven China for Tienanmen? And the several thousand people who were murdered that day?
[QUOTE=Lankist;20013111]So you've forgiven China for Tienanmen? And the several thousand people who were murdered that day?[/QUOTE] You're dodging the question and no [editline]01:04AM[/editline] we're going on several hours now, how about you answer the question.
I'm not talking about Bonus Army I am referencing Kent State. You didn't ask a question. [editline]07:08PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Trotsky;20013024]I was implying the bonus army, simply because you said that specifically was a success. Not really relevant. All government is evil. Helping people is evil. yes, we get it. Saying i'm paranoid implies I'm worried about something the American government is GOING to do. Kent state already happened brospeh, I'm not paranoid.[/QUOTE] There are no question marks here.
[QUOTE=Trotsky;20006716] if the Tienanmen square protests were successful as well as the massacre occurring, would the Chinese government have been forgiven?[/QUOTE] i was talking about the bonus army, seeing as you're not accepting that as a good example simply because the protests were successful. [editline]01:16AM[/editline] You see the question mark? [editline]01:17AM[/editline] I do
[QUOTE=Trotsky;20013737]i was talking about the bonus army, seeing as you're not accepting that as a good example simply because the protests were successful. [editline]01:16AM[/editline] You see the question mark? [editline]01:17AM[/editline] I do[/QUOTE] I already answered that question. The answer was No.
Answer this: Would the US be better off without China as a business partner?
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