[QUOTE=Wakka;20013889]Answer this: Would the US be better off without China as a business partner?[/QUOTE]
Permit me to point out the fucking insane irony in calling a self-proclaimed communist nation "business partner"
[QUOTE=Lankist;20013867]I already answered that question.
The answer was No.[/QUOTE]
Then why does the bonus army having a successful protest negate them from the list of American massacres?
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[QUOTE=Lankist;20013919]Permit me to point out the fucking insane irony in calling a self-proclaimed communist nation "business partner"[/QUOTE]
Hence why China is not communist.
[QUOTE=Trotsky;20013931]Then why does the bonus army having a successful protest negate them from the list of American massacres?[/QUOTE]
Again, who the fuck says I forgive the government for anything?
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On one hand you mock me with your "yeah the government is evil bla bla" but now you act as fucking though I'm all fine and dandy with the shit in our history.
Are you fucking autistic?
Do you have ass burgers?
[QUOTE=Lankist;20013962]Again, who the fuck says I forgive the government for anything?
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you said that the bonus army was not a good example because the protests were successful.
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How do you not get this?
and I'm autistic?
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this is really easy to comprehend.
Again, I was referring to Kent State.
Fuck, don't answer my question then.
[QUOTE=Lankist;20014322]Again, I was referring to Kent State.[/QUOTE]
So the only points of mine you can refute
is the points you make up?
yeah, I'm done with you.
I didn't make any up you incontinent child, I'm answering your goddamn question. The answer is No.
What the fuck now. What's your endgame?
what does the success of the protests of the bonus army have to do with the fact the US killed innocent civilians. (the original point was: you said the US doesn't kill their own civilians.)
I said the US doesn't kill its own citizens and pretend it never happened.
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You're telling me you totally had an argument planned out and you didn't even read the goddamn post you replied to?
How long did MacArthur spend in jail?
mind you he ordered the deaths of 4 innocent Americans, wounding over a 1000 innocent people (peaceful protesters), demolishing private property, defying posse comitatus, defying the commander in chief and then lying about the whole thing as some sort of communist conspiracy.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;20001491]Not quite, China relies on us for the majority of their raw resources for industrial development. Us going under would bring their industrial revolution to a grinding halt, with horrific results.[/QUOTE]
Majority of china's natural resources? Should look at Africa... Basically africa is turning into the stage for a resource conflict between europe, china and india.
I said the US doesn't kill its own citizens and pretend it never happened.
[QUOTE=Lankist;20015283]I said the US doesn't kill its own citizens and pretend it never happened.[/QUOTE]
I think what MacArthur did was a little worse.
[QUOTE=Trotsky;20015407]I think what MacArthur did was a little worse.[/QUOTE]
Trotsky. That was 50 years ago.
The US moved on killing foreigners to set up "western" democracies.
Only this time it's funded by private investors.
[QUOTE=Trotsky;20015407]I think what MacArthur did was a little worse.[/QUOTE]
Worse than what?
Killing nearly 3,000 people and then denying the incident ever took place, and silencing countless individuals or groups that say otherwise?
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If that's what you're asking then yes, pretty much.
first, where did they deny it?
Second, where did they silence individuals?
[QUOTE=Stopper;20006084]Which is exactly why the US would have to repay their debt eventually. If they don't and China does release their reserve, then it would be destruction for the USA as well.[/QUOTE]
The US gov't: "lol, wut debt?"
The World Bank: "lol, what debt?"
Regional partners: "lol, what subsidies?"
Everyone besides Iran/Venezuela/Syria/Burma: "suddenly, we have a very strong distaste for your lead-based products. Our consumers demand higher standards. Here, have a trade embargo."
Different situation, that quote, but it's not like China's reserve couldn't be just as easily made moot.
[QUOTE=Trotsky;20015746]first, where did they deny it?
Second, where did they silence individuals?[/QUOTE]
The Chinese Government has long denied the Tienanmen Square incident ever took place.
What do you mean where did they deny it? Where the fuck you been for the last 20 years?
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I don't think any of you understand the geopolitical and legal implications of intentionally attempting to destroy the economy of a UN State on such a massive scale.
Lankist, don't bother, you may as well be talking to a pile of rocks
Clearly given they don't realize that not only would it cause the intolerable suffering of over 300 million US nationals but it would also cause economic instability on a global scale.
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That such an action would force the US to sell weapons and military logistics technology to less-than-savory people we have thus far neglected to sell to in order to keep mass starvation at bay, and that almost every nation in the world would be rocked by such a stupidly illegal and impossible action.
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That just about every UN nation would sanction China as a whole in order to block mass inflation for everyone.
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And that the US would be victimized enough to justify a multi-national invasion of China, which is an incredibly easy thing to do given China is NOT a superpower and the vast majority of China is impoverished. Despite all of the show and dickwaving they do not have a military capable of withstanding a multi-pronged invasion force of a dozen different nations.
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It's funny how you idiot children act all high and mighty when people are starving and suffering, but when innocent people who happen to be in America could possibly be forced into misery, poverty, famine and disease, IT'S A-OK BECAUSE FUCK AMERICA.
FYI that is nationalism, children.
[QUOTE=Lankist;20015979]Clearly given they don't realize that not only would it cause the intolerable suffering of over 300 million US nationals but it would also cause economic instability on a global scale.
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That such an action would force the US to sell weapons and military logistics technology to less-than-savory people we have thus far neglected to sell to in order to keep mass starvation at bay, and that almost every nation in the world would be rocked by such a stupidly illegal and impossible action.
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That just about every UN nation would sanction China as a whole in order to block mass inflation for everyone.
[editline]09:43PM[/editline]
And that the US would be victimized enough to justify a multi-national invasion of China, which is an incredibly easy thing to do given China is NOT a superpower and the vast majority of China is impoverished. Despite all of the show and dickwaving they do not have a military capable of withstanding a multi-pronged invasion force of a dozen different nations.
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It's funny how you idiot children act all high and mighty when people are starving and suffering, but when innocent people who happen to be in America could possibly be forced into misery, poverty, famine and disease, IT'S A-OK BECAUSE FUCK AMERICA.
FYI that is nationalism, children.[/QUOTE]
Hmm. The question of whether or not China is a superpower is a tough one.
It's definately a regional superpower, without doubt.
We should impose sanctions... on their [i]momma![/i]
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;20024801]Hmm. The question of whether or not China is a superpower is a tough one.
It's definately a regional superpower, without doubt.[/QUOTE]
The usual stance is that it is [I]becoming[/I] a superpower- in terms of economic power and influence it's almost there- It is fast becoming more influential than the US and EU not just in Asia, but also Africa.
Alot actually depends on who wins the power struggle between India and China- the Indian economy has shown more resiliance than the Chinese one, and in the long term some scholars think India might actually out-power China.
I think the days of the good old "invade country with superior power and technology, take over" days are over.
For the rest of the discussion: I think the worldwide connections of money, trade and politics a war between two nations as powerful as China and the US(or the UN) is very unlikely.
Even a trade war.
It just makes everyone lose.
That's why embargos don't work anymore. Globalisation opened the opportunity to easily undergo these .
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