• Libyan 'War' Megathread - Any news pertaining to surgical strikes is to be posted HERE
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it's hard not to take it for granted when it's been the normal for western countries for some time now still have fuck all of a say when it comes to politics though other than which fuckwit won't fuck up the country as bad
[QUOTE=hypern;28851031]Sirte has Fallen. I repeat Sirte has fallen! Link: [url]http://twitter.com/REUTERSFLASH[/url][/QUOTE] I think there was some issues with communication regarding this. Seems to still be in Gaddafi's hands.
[url]http://www.elysee.fr/president/root/bank_objects/Joint_statement_Sarkozy-Cameron_Libya.pdf[/url] Joint statement to be read tomorrow by the British and French Presidents at the NATO summit.
[QUOTE=ripsipiirakk;28856909]I agree, None of the western countries received their freedom without fighting for it at some point of their history.[/QUOTE] except the UK :smug:
[QUOTE=Otsegolation;28842103]You can't break out easily. The system determines what food you can get, where you can be, what you can do. It tries affecting you in every way. Non-conformists aren't exactly going to wind up rich. The system honors its conformists and dead trouble makers. Conformists because it sets an example to people of how you'll be rewarded luxuries for being successful, and dead non-conformists because they totally change what their views, motivations, and goals were, so you don't get the same idea.[/QUOTE] Listen to this man. He is one of the few who have the courage to stand up the the system and fight their overbearing control of our lives. WAKE UP. Do not conform to the government's wishes. WAKE UP. Do not be sheeple and stand idly by. WAKE UP.
[b]Libyan rebels stopped short of Surt[/b] [release] Reporting from Bin Jawwad, Libya— After advancing swiftly westward over the weekend, rebel fighters in Libya were halted abruptly Monday by stiff resistance from government fighters about 50 miles east of the key government garrison town of Surt. Fighters returning from the newly established front lines said forces loyal to Libyan leader Moammar Kadafi were attacking rebels with rockets several miles east of Gate 80, a well-defended military position about 50 miles east of Surt. Though stripped of their air cover and much of their armor by allied airstrikes over the last nine days, Kadafi's men were putting up a strong fight, rebels said. They said government forces had planted land mines on the approaches to Surt, the Libyan leader's birthplace. The Gate 80 location, about five miles from a small community known as Harawa, is part of a defensive line regularly manned by Kadafi militiamen posted to defend Surt from attack from the rebel-held east. The defenses halted a rebel advance, which had covered more than 150 miles in less than 24 hours over the weekend. "It's a big fight from both sides," said Rabia Abdullah, driving a commandeered oil-company bus that had just delivered fighters and ammunition to the front. "I just passed two cars destroyed by rockets." An inaccurate news report overnight saying that Surt had fallen to the rebels sent overconfident fighters racing toward the town and triggered a wild night of celebratory shooting in the eastern city of Benghazi, the rebel stronghold. Hundreds of rebel volunteers, both armed and unarmed, sped west in private cars from Benghazi, about 275 miles away by highway, to join the fight. They were turned back by fighters near the front. An advance unit of rebel fighters, which included soldiers who defected from the army, ordered everyone without a heavy weapon to pull back, fighters said. "I wanted to be part of the taking of Surt, but they didn't let me pass," said Khaled Saity, 43, who brought his father and two friends from Benghazi in a pickup truck. The four men, armed with assault rifles, were told that only gun trucks with heavy machine guns or anti-aircraft weapons were needed at the front. They were instructed to go back to Bin Jawwad and guard against a government counterattack by patrolling the desert, they said. Disappointed, Saity turned his pickup around and headed back to Benghazi. Rebels massed late Monday in Bin Jawwad, a trash-strewn desert outpost they first seized on March 5 but fled in panic the next day under a surprise government counterattack. The rebels had been celebrating their victory instead of setting up defensive positions -- a tactical mistake they repeated Monday as they fired guns into the air and argued over strategy. Other rebels set up a larger rear base in Ras Lanuf, the strategic oil city and port they captured Sunday, more than two weeks after government forces drove them from the city with airstrikes, tank fire and rocket barrages. Surt, a coastal city of 150,000, is a military hub defended by regime loyalists. Warplanes commanded by NATO, which have been attacking government forces and imposing a no-fly zone on Libya, pounded the city Sunday night, prompting some residents to flee toward Tripoli, 225 miles to the northwest. It remains to be seen whether the allied warplanes, whose airstrikes cleared the way for the rebel advance, will attack pro-Kadafi fighters and weapons systems defending the city. The U.N. Security Council resolution passed March 17 authorizes attacks only to defend civilians threatened by government forces. Surt is the last major pro-Kadafi bastion between rebel forces and Tripoli. Well-armed troops and militiamen are expected to mount a vigorous defense of the city to prevent rebels from advancing on Misurata, under siege by government forces trying to put down an uprising there, and the capital itself. Tribesmen in Bin Jawwad said Kadafi's forces sped through the town late Saturday, fleeing coalition airstrikes that drove them from the crossroads city of Ajdabiya in eastern Libya. Many drove civilian cars with their headlights off, they said, though some military trucks mounted with rocket launchers also were seen. The tribesman said they saw no government tanks or armored troop carriers in the panicked government convoy speeding toward Surt. The coastal highway around Ajdabiya is littered with the blackened hulks of tanks, rocket batteries and armored troop carriers destroyed by the airstrikes. At least four rebel flatbed trucks hauling intact T-72 tanks abandoned by Kadafi's forces were seen headed east toward Benghazi. Other rebel trucks loaded with captured ammunition rolled west toward the front. [/release] Source: [url]http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-libya-fighting-20110329,0,1882268.story[/url]
I think it was obvious that they were gonna meet tought resistance in Sirt, the place is not only the birthplace of Gadaffi, giving his loyalists a strong morale boost, but it also houses many important government institutions.
[QUOTE=smurfy;28858030]except the UK :smug:[/QUOTE] Civil war, freedom from the Crown, of a sorts.
In other news Mubarak is under house arrest
[QUOTE=shian;28838107][img_thumb]http://img845.imageshack.us/img845/6152/1000x.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] Damn, he has Ye Olde Firecannon!
If Libya didn't have oil, not a single European country would get involved in this conflict.
[QUOTE=crackberry;28868940]If Libya didn't have oil, not a single European country would get involved in this conflict.[/QUOTE]Except for the fact European countries already had access to Libya's oil before the conflict, siding with the rebels wouldn't increase or decrease that.
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;28869037]Except for the fact European countries already had access to Libya's oil before the conflict, siding with the rebels wouldn't increase or decrease that.[/QUOTE] Yea, Libya had quite an active trade of oil with most the countries in the Mediterran, I think.
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;28869037]Except for the fact European countries already had access to Libya's oil before the conflict, siding with the rebels wouldn't increase or decrease that.[/QUOTE] You don't know what Gaddafi could have possibly done. He is already quite mad and would have probably blamed the whole uprising on the western countries in the end if he won.
I like how the dutch politicians like to make the media think we play an important role in Libya. We literally have a total of 4 F-16's flying circles over the ocean. Today a politician even said "We want to bomb ground targets to".
[QUOTE=Falchion;28869461]You don't know what Gaddafi could have possibly done. He is already quite mad and would have probably blamed the whole uprising on the western countries in the end if he won.[/QUOTE]Before we intervened, he was blaming it on Al-Qaeda, criminals and so on.
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;28869037]Except for the fact European countries already had access to Libya's oil before the conflict, siding with the rebels wouldn't increase or decrease that.[/QUOTE] If anything there is now more risk to the oil supply, if this all goes tits up and Gaddafi remains in power, he is not going to let the west anywhere near his oil IMO. [QUOTE=crackberry;28868940]If Libya didn't have oil, not a single European country would get involved in this conflict.[/QUOTE] You do realise where Libya is right? And how close it is to Europe? And how much of a nutter Gaddafi has proven to be over the years? An attempt to remove him from power is being supported by the EU because they have (quietly) been wanting to get rid of him for a while. This is in theory a nice easy way for them to do it. [editline]29th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Sgt Doom;28872805]Before we intervened, he was blaming it on Al-Qaeda, criminals and so on.[/QUOTE] He was also blaming the BBC one day for their reporting.
[QUOTE=Jsm;28872992]If anything there is now more risk to the oil supply, if this all goes tits up and Gaddafi remains in power, he is not going to let the west anywhere near his oil IMO.[/QUOTE]Indeed. If they wanted to keep a hold of the oil, they'd have just sat and watched, occasionally throwing strongly-worded letters at Gaddafi to give the impression they were doing something. [QUOTE=Jsm;28872992]He was also blaming the BBC one day for their reporting.[/QUOTE]True, true. One should probably not take his accusations seriously.
When should you ever take a crazed dictator's accusations seriously?
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;28869037]Except for the fact European countries already had access to Libya's oil before the conflict, siding with the rebels wouldn't increase or decrease that.[/QUOTE] There's no proof that their access to Libya's oil will remain stable even after the current Libyan crisis. It's obvious that if they had no investments in oil in Libya/Libya had no oil, they would be reluctant to take action in Libya like they did in Rwanda and Darfur etc. [editline]29th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Swilly;28873713]When should you ever take a crazed dictator's accusations seriously?[/QUOTE] Dictators are not limited to a maximum of two, four year presidency terms.
[QUOTE=Starpluck;28873807]There's no proof that their access to Libya's oil will remain stable even after the current Libyan crisis. It's obvious that if they had no investments in oil in Libya/Libya had no oil, they would be reluctant to take action in Libya like they did in Rwanda and Darfur etc. [/QUOTE] Remember that America was a bit reluctant at first but then hopped on the airstrike bandwagon led by France. Edit: Also I remember seeing a statement that Gaddafi was growing paranoid at especially US before the western countries took action, he warned the uprising citizens that the land would be taken over by americans if they would submit the country into anarchy.
[QUOTE=Falchion;28873878]Remember that America was a bit reluctant at first but then hopped on the airstrike bandwagon led by France.[/QUOTE] The U.S. openly backed for a Libya no-fly zone, they didn’t bandwagon either (not like it even matters), and France enforcing the no-fly zone just influenced the U.S. to do it sooner
Apparently Sweden will join in to secure the no-fly zone, but will not attack any Ground tragets. The government proposed that we would send 8 SAAB JAS 39 Gripen, one Hercules aircraft and one reconnaissance plane. In total around 130 military personnel would be deployed. [url=http://www.thelocal.se/32886/20110329/]Source (English)[/url]
i watched some russiatoday and apparently the nations in libya are supposed to be protecting civilians, but they have gone farther than that and are protecting the rebels.
[QUOTE=TrulliLulli;28875485][b]i watched some russiatoday[/b] and apparently the nations in libya are supposed to be protecting civilians, but they have gone farther than that and are protecting the rebels.[/QUOTE]There's your problem right thurr. On a more serious note; I, for one wouldn't complain if they train the rebels, equip them, and give them air cover so they can march on Tripoli and tie the noose around Gaddafi's neck.
russia today is :awesome:
I hope Gaddafi wins.
[QUOTE=Mr.Thorn;28875894]I hope Gaddafi wins.[/QUOTE] I hope for your sake you do not live in Europe, or in any of the countries that have assisted or even backed this then. He is going to be mighty pissed if he stays in power, and he has proven in the past what he can do.
The fight is anyones now.
2010: UK Foreign Office Minister Alistair Burt has told the BBC he doubts that arming the rebels would be legal. "There is an arms embargo in place which states are observing," he said. "We want to ensure that everything that is done in relation to this intervention is legal. That is why we are sticking so closely to the terms of the UN resolution." There's that idea out the window them. (Doing it above board anyway)
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