Libyan 'War' Megathread - Any news pertaining to surgical strikes is to be posted HERE
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[QUOTE=CatFodder;28694069]Oh, that's alright then. I mean, who cares if thousands of people are slaughtered? They're only rebels.[/QUOTE]
I dunno, I could have made it unclear (sorry if I did), I meant armed rebels. What would you do if you were the ruler? You would just watch as the country is getting taken apart in armed rebelions? What's the army for then?
In conclussion, Libya should have left alone, it's disguisting how America has to put it's nose in everyone's bussiness.
Guys, please read my post. It gives you some understanding on their Air Defences.
[QUOTE=Ringo_Satu;28694135]I dunno, I could have made it unclear (sorry if I did), I meant armed rebels. What would you do if you were the ruler? You would just watch as the country is getting taken apart in armed rebelions? What's the army for then?
In conclussion, Libya should have left alone, it's disguisting how America has to put it's nose in everyone's bussiness.[/QUOTE]
I would have let protesters protest as a start.
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In conclussion, Libya should have left alone, it's disguisting how America has to put it's nose in everyone's bussiness.[/QUOTE]
America is responding to calls from its allies and the UN who in turn are responding to calls from [B]the people of Libya[/B]. They are not sticking their nose in, if you are going to argue something please do your research first.
[QUOTE=Ringo_Satu;28694135]I dunno, I could have made it unclear (sorry if I did), I meant armed rebels. What would you do if you were the ruler? You would just watch as the country is getting taken apart in armed rebelions? What's the army for then?
In conclussion, Libya should have left alone, it's disguisting how America has to put it's nose in everyone's bussiness.[/QUOTE]
They're fighting for their freedom from a dictator who has killed thousands of his citizens that he swore to protect. You're a fucking retard if you think that Gaddafi has the right to kill these people because they are fighting against his regime.
[QUOTE=Ringo_Satu;28694135]I dunno, I could have made it unclear (sorry if I did), I meant armed rebels. What would you do if you were the ruler? You would just watch as the country is getting taken apart in armed rebelions? What's the army for then?
In conclussion, Libya should have left alone, it's disguisting how America has to put it's nose in everyone's bussiness.[/QUOTE]
So you must be okay living under a insane dictator and having your basic human rights taken away anytime the dictator is in a bad mood? If he was a good dictator then people wouldn't protest/cause a rebellion.
I'm starting to wonder where you did your research? I had disscussions with quite a few people who, as far as I know, know what they are talking about. Most of them were against this bullshit.
What I still don't get, however, why is Libya the only one getting attacked? There is a massacre in Yemen, why not Yemen then? There's a crisis in Cote d'Ivoire too. But, you know, we can go along with it, can we?
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;28694035]Are those systems capable of shooting down Tomahawks? If they could, then it's a damn good thing they don't have any of those.[/QUOTE]
Well both systems were designed to be able to shoot down the air-launched cruise missile carried by B-52s. The Soviets weren't blind to the capabilities of Western precision weapons and adapted accordingly.
[QUOTE=Ringo_Satu;28694135]I dunno, I could have made it unclear (sorry if I did), I meant armed rebels. What would you do if you were the ruler? You would just watch as the country is getting taken apart in armed rebelions? What's the army for then?
In conclussion, Libya should have left alone, it's disguisting how America has to put it's nose in everyone's bussiness.[/QUOTE]The Libyan people themselves asked for this, you twit.
[QUOTE=Ringo_Satu;28694253]I'm starting to wonder where you did your research? I had disscussions with quite a few people who, as far as I know, know what they are talking about. Most of them were against this bullshit.
What I still don't get, however, why is Libya the only one getting attacked? There is a massacre in Yemen, why not Yemen then? There's a crisis in Cote d'Ivoire too. But, you know, we can go along with it, can we?[/QUOTE]
The libyan people cried out to the UN for our help. The other countries have yet to do so you fucking imbecile.
[QUOTE=Ringo_Satu;28694253]I'm starting to wonder where you did your research? I had disscussions with quite a few people who, as far as I know, know what they are talking about. Most of them were against this bullshit.
What I still don't get, however, why is Libya the only one getting attacked? There is a massacre in Yemen, why not Yemen then? There's a crisis in Cote d'Ivoire too. But, you know, we can go along with it, can we?[/QUOTE]
Just wondering? was the other person you were talking to about this named Gaddafi?
From the post I posted, seems like their air defence mostly consist of the SA series missiles.
[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;28694268]The Libyan people themselves asked for this, you twit.[/QUOTE]
So now every rebelion can ask for help and get it?
Back in the day America just pretended that they'll help.
[QUOTE=shian;28694315]From the post I posted, seems like their air defence mostly consist of the SA series missiles.[/QUOTE]
They seem to all be SA-5's from what I have heard.
[QUOTE=Jsm;28690718]The US has the ability to move large numbers of aircraft's into the sea very close to Libya, most of Europe does not have this ability.[/QUOTE]
There are more ways than one. There are military airfields all over the Mediterranean Sea. They can be used by all EU countries probably. The most notable one would be the one on Malta.
[QUOTE=shian;28694315]From the post I posted, seems like their air defence mostly consist of the SA series missiles.[/QUOTE]
I don't know much about munitions; how much of a threat would missiles like these be to the UN jets? Is there a chance of them seriously hindering the strikes?
[QUOTE=Ringo_Satu;28694322]So now every rebelion can ask for help and get it?
Back in the day America just pretended that they'll help.[/QUOTE]
There's a bit of a difference between protests and a civil war. The situation in Yemen is basically what happened at the start of the Libyan protests, and could quickly turn into what Libya is now. As of current, the Libyan situation is the only one justifiable of military intervention. Yemen is not, because the protests are still in early stages.
[QUOTE=sami-elite;28694336]There are more ways than one. There are military airfields all over the Mediterranean Sea. They can be used by all EU countries probably. The most notable one would be the one on Malta.[/QUOTE]
Malta have said no to using their country a base, but OK to pass through their airspace.
I guess its because they might be within bombing range of Libya (both ways) and do not want to be bombed by them.
[QUOTE=Jsm;28694333]They seem to all be SA-5's from what I have heard.[/QUOTE]
Yeap. 8 battalions. And it flies at 2.5 km/s, max range 40,000 metres. Is that good or bad?
[QUOTE=Ringo_Satu;28694322]So now every rebelion can ask for help and get it?
Back in the day America just pretended that they'll help.[/QUOTE]
Well lets see, South Kora, Kuwait, and South Vietnam both asked and we came along, during WWII the British asked for our assistance (Even though we kinda got thrown into it but we were sending pilots and supplies before Pearl Harbor.) So yeah, we kinda have a track record.
[QUOTE=Ringo_Satu;28694322]So now every rebelion can ask for help and get it?
Back in the day America just pretended that they'll help.[/QUOTE]The West may not have been consistent in stopping genocidal lunatics or supplying those that try to, but at least something's being done now. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the current and planned operations, though feel free to try and point out how it is.
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[QUOTE=shian;28694368]Yeap. 8 battalions. And it flies at 2.5 km/s, max range 40,000 metres. Is that good or bad?[/QUOTE]Those systems were designed for taking out high-flying, fast aircraft like the SR-71 or bomber aircraft like B-52s, so i'd imagine it'd be a significant hindrance for those aircraft. Not sure how it bodes for smaller fighter/bomber aircraft, after all the French got theirs through unscathed.
[QUOTE=Ringo_Satu;28694135]I dunno, I could have made it unclear (sorry if I did), I meant armed rebels. What would you do if you were the ruler? You would just watch as the country is getting taken apart in armed rebelions? What's the army for then?
In conclussion, Libya should have left alone, it's disguisting how America has to put it's nose in everyone's bussiness.[/QUOTE]
You know what I couldn't do?
Care less.
I'm also assuming most of Libya's aircraft are taken out of action?
[QUOTE=shian;28694435]I'm also assuming most of Libya's aircraft are taken out of action?[/QUOTE]
Quite a few, because of sanctions and all that.
[QUOTE=shian;28694368]Yeap. 8 battalions. And it flies at 2.5 km/s, max range 40,000 metres. Is that good or bad?[/QUOTE]
Depends on how you look at it.
If it was 1945 it would be bad.
If there was no massive equipment advantage over them it would be bad.
But as it is now, they bomb all sites and then shoot down planes if they need to. But anti air always goes first these days.
[QUOTE=Best4bond;28688382]So America Bitches (Canada and Australia) havent gone in after America?
Yet anyways...[/QUOTE]
What's it like being 13 years old?
Hey, where is that guy who goes in every thread about the military or dead soldiers and talks about how great is is when they die because they are soldiers? I really want to hear his "rational" opinion on this. Shukaido's too, though he's actually more entertaining then frustrating because of how asinine his theories are.
I love 2011 :3
It might not be good for everyone, but it's so exciting!
[QUOTE=Ringo_Satu;28694322]So now every rebelion can ask for help and get it?[/QUOTE]
Well maybe if 10 000 people are dead, the rebellion is failing and the leader of the country has vowed to systematically execute every single one of them.
The number of people who have died in the Libyan uprising is more than ten times that of all the other Arab protests combined.
[QUOTE=shian;28694368]Yeap. 8 battalions. And it flies at 2.5 km/s, max range 40,000 metres. Is that good or bad?[/QUOTE]
The SA-5 is similar to the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BOMARC][b]Bomarc SAM[/b][/url]. Against tactical aircraft don't bet on anything.
On another note, the SA-6 is the SAM that devastated Israeli air power during the Yom Kippur War. I wouldn't know how it would perform against today's jets though.
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