[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;40909549]You're not fooling me Microsoft, if you dont get your shit together for Windows 9 I will probably cease being a customer for your operating systems.[/QUOTE]
There isn't going to be any Windows 9, Microsoft adopted the Macintosh way of updates
[editline]5th June 2013[/editline]
I hope you can disable the start button, only got my desktop looking sweet
[t]http://puu.sh/399kB.jpg[/t]
Looking better, but i honestly still wouldn't really use metro, for a desktop i mean.
I must admit that i would absolutely love a tablet running w8, from the times i've used windows 8 it had this great almost lightweight feeling to it and was responsive and easy to use if only it were on a tablet.
I've yet to actually try a w8 tablet though.
[QUOTE=Str4fe;40909967]This is my biggest problem with windows 8 too. A full screen start menu just sort of distracts me from whatever im doing.[/QUOTE]
How? Your eyes are fixated on the lower left side of the screen and if you click anywhere else, the menu closes.
Wouldn't it make sense to make it full screen so your eyes aren't fixated on such a small portion of your display?
[QUOTE=TheAdmiester;40914142]I have to disagree. Explorer in Windows 7 looked a lot nicer and more organised. The inclusion of the ribbon interface in 8 makes it look a bit sloppy, mainly because none of it seems to be consistent.
For example, in your screenshot you can see icons such as the Properties menu take up a lot more space and are shown in an icon view, yet a commonly-used feature like Select All is demoted to a smaller, list-like button. It's a small price to pay for the improvements in Windows 8 but it reeks of inconsistency.[/QUOTE]
If you click on the little arrow in the right-hand corner, the ribbon is hidden. The Windows 8 explorer shows a lot more files in the same space than Windows 7's did.
[editline]5th June 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=paul simon;40914526]
Well you're actually sort of wrong, I've seen many examples of Google being much faster to pick up on new things and show them as results.[/QUOTE]
It's not something I personally notice, and they're both pretty much instantaneous. Anyway, the guy made it sound like Bing isn't even workable, and we both know that's not the truth. So that's that.
won't ever use windows 8 until microsoft sorts out the complete ass DPI scaling
[editline]5th June 2013[/editline]
won't ever use it again*
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;40916070]won't ever use windows 8 until microsoft sorts out the complete ass DPI scaling
[editline]5th June 2013[/editline]
won't ever use it again*[/QUOTE]
I will admit, that's a reason to hate Windows but the whole MetroUI thing is bullshit.
metro is a fantastic design scheme
the UI? not so much
[editline]5th June 2013[/editline]
like, the design team really hit the nail on the head with Metro. It's aesthetically beautiful
I'm sure the 3 people that still own a Windows 8 tablet will be thrilled with these improvements. If only they'd make Metro worthwhile for bigger screen sizes, that'd be swell.
[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;40909549]You're not fooling me Microsoft, if you dont get your shit together for Windows 9 I will probably cease being a customer for your operating systems.[/QUOTE]
why don't you guys actually do this? The computer industry could use some more not-Microsoft OS's having support.
[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;40909549]You're not fooling me Microsoft, if you dont get your shit together for Windows 9 I will probably cease being a customer for your operating systems.[/QUOTE]
Enjoy your inferior operating system, until 10 years later when you are literally forced to upgrade like the neckbeards that stuck with Windows ME.
[QUOTE=Kirth;40916149]I'm sure the 3 people that still own a Windows 8 tablet will be thrilled with these improvements. If only they'd make Metro worthwhile for bigger screen sizes, that'd be swell.[/QUOTE]
windows tablets are vastly superior than android and apple tablets. I wish consumers would pick them up more.
Fuck RT. A W8 Pro tablet blows any and all competition out of the water, with a fair price of course.
I like how they're adding these features to win back some of the desktop users, demonstrating them on a tablet.
Yeah, totally not a tablet OS guys.
[QUOTE=redBadger;40910439]What's the difference if the start menu is full screen or not? How does it distract you from what you are doing? Either way you're going to divert your full attention to the menu and it makes more sense to make it an easier and better looking menu. I've never clicked the wrong shortcut using metro. I've always accidentally clicked the wrong application using the smaller start menu.[/QUOTE]
not to mention that in Windows 7 or below, if you clicked ANYTHING else, the Start menu [I]immediately[/I] closed (without any proper animation of course). So by complaining about the new start menu in 8 being a screen, you are pretty much saying "I want to open the start menu, BUT NOT LOOK AT IT". You already could only do one thing at a time due to the above, so what difference does it make now?
[QUOTE=redBadger;40916230]windows tablets are vastly superior than android and apple tablets. I wish consumers would pick them up more.
Fuck RT. A W8 Pro tablet blows any and all competition out of the water, with a fair price of course.[/QUOTE]
Surface Pro tablets at a fair price...good one.
[editline]5th June 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=The Baconator;40916309]not to mention that in Windows 7 or below, if you clicked ANYTHING else, the Start menu [I]immediately[/I] closed (without any proper animation of course). So by complaining about the new start menu in 8 being a screen, you are pretty much saying "I want to open the start menu, BUT NOT LOOK AT IT". You already could only do one thing at a time due to the above, so what difference does it make now?[/QUOTE]
You can read terminal/system monitor/compiling/chat/general updates even if you aren't interacting with them
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;40916311]Surface Pro tablets at a fair price...good one.
[editline]5th June 2013[/editline]
You can read terminal/system monitor/compiling/chat/general updates even if you aren't interacting with them[/QUOTE]
there are other alternatives
Also, the start menu has very overbearing animations, even opening it can be a little distracting and annoying
[QUOTE=mobrockers;40916258]I like how they're adding these features to win back some of the desktop users, demonstrating them on a tablet.
Yeah, totally not a tablet OS guys.[/QUOTE]
I develop software and I do IT "side work" for a living and I'll state for the record that Windows 8 is a faster, more secure, feature-packed version of Windows 7.
Yeah, it has some faults but they're being fixed and I get through W8 just fine. Really the only thing Microsoft needs to do is add a "is your monitor a touchscreen" yes/no prompt at setup and depending on that, it'll enable or disable charms.
[QUOTE=redBadger;40916335]there are other alternatives[/QUOTE]
Windows 8 tablets are a very different market from Android devices.
Android and iOS are both designed with battery life, accessibility among other things in mind
A Windows 8 tablet is practically a laptop without a keyboard.
[editline]5th June 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Daniel M;40916356]I develop software and I do IT "side work" for a living and I'll state for the record that Windows 8 is a faster, more secure, feature-packed version of Windows 7.
Yeah, it has some faults but they're being fixed and I get through W8 just fine. Really the only thing Microsoft needs to do is add a "is your monitor a touchscreen" yes/no prompt at setup and depending on that, it'll enable or disable charms.[/QUOTE]
Charms aren't bad without a touchscreen. Win + I is an incredibly useful charm.
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;40916366]Windows 8 tablets are a very different market from Android devices.
Android and iOS are both designed with battery life, accessibility among other things in mind
A Windows 8 tablet is practically a laptop without a keyboard.[/QUOTE]
Luckily with Haswell coming to Windows laptop/tablet form factors, X86 battery life won't be much of a problem.
[editline]5th June 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;40916366]
Charms aren't bad without a touchscreen. Win + I is an incredibly useful charm.[/QUOTE]
Holy shit. How did I not know about that one? Thank you.
Might I add that a tablet having a full version of windows on it does [I]not[/I] make it instantly more functional. A good operating system will never make a shitty tablet better.
[QUOTE=Daniel M;40916196]Enjoy your inferior operating system, until 10 years later when you are literally forced to upgrade like the neckbeards that stuck with Windows ME.[/QUOTE]
Fuck, I can understand that someone might appreciate the stability of Windows 2000 and not want to upgrade, but why ME?
Is there something so special about it being the last DOS-based verison that made people see past its horrendous issues?
[QUOTE=Daniel M;40916356]I develop software and I do IT "side work" for a living and I'll state for the record that Windows 8 is a faster, more secure, feature-packed version of Windows 7.
Yeah, it has some faults but they're being fixed and I get through W8 just fine. Really the only thing Microsoft needs to do is add a "is your monitor a touchscreen" yes/no prompt at setup and depending on that, it'll enable or disable charms.[/QUOTE]
I never claimed it doesn't have some good new features.
[QUOTE=TheAdmiester;40914673]Yep, I'm aware of that and have it hidden on my laptop, but if you're new to it or have some other excuse for not knowing how to hide it, it can be a bit of a hinderance. Like I said, though, only a small price to pay really.[/QUOTE]
I like it though, its not any hindrance to me (even though I still use the context menu for everything).
[QUOTE=mobrockers;40916442]I never claimed it doesn't have some good new features.[/QUOTE]
I know but they're showing it off on a tablet because it's a great form factor for the OS. Doesn't mean it's a tablet OS. You can run Windows on anything and get a great experience.
[QUOTE=The Baconator;40916309]not to mention that in Windows 7 or below, if you clicked ANYTHING else, the Start menu [I]immediately[/I] closed (without any proper animation of course). So by complaining about the new start menu in 8 being a screen, you are pretty much saying "I want to open the start menu, BUT NOT LOOK AT IT". You already could only do one thing at a time due to the above, so what difference does it make now?[/QUOTE]
I can't keep watching a movie when I open the Start Screen.
I get distracted when the whole screen gets flashed up and covered by this huge as fucking screen that takes up all of my attention with lots of big square icons completely ruining any workflow.
I get thrown away from anything I was doing or looking at just because I wanted to open up an additional program quickly.
You're focusing on the bottom left screen and then suddenly you have to shift focus to the middle of your screen. (and yes, I don't use hotkeys, I click the button manually and I go look up the programs manually, I only search sometimes if I don't have it pinned in the menu)
For people like me the Start Screen is absolutely dreadful. I appreciate what it is, and what it does it more or less does well, it is not bad looking at all. It's just completely fucking useless and a degradement of what we had.
But unlike others I see no reason to hate Windows 8 for it, I just install ClassicShell and whoopdedoo, no problems at all, best version of Windows as always, it's beautiful and fast. PC literate people have always boasted about how you can always work around problems you have with anything on Windows, yet when Microsoft changes a feature downloading something to revert that change is suddenly a big deal for everyone.
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;40916408]Might I add that a tablet having a full version of windows on it does [I]not[/I] make it instantly more functional. A good operating system will never make a shitty tablet better.[/QUOTE]
it makes it a hell of a lot better than the much more restricted Android and iOS counterparts.
[QUOTE=Dog;40910386]alternatively...
[t]http://puu.sh/38Sda.jpg[/t][/QUOTE]
I shouldn't have to pay extra to personalise the operating system.
Although I am enjoying my experience with Windows 8, I can't help but feel restricted with it. Hopefully some updates will remove this feeling.
So, how exactly is this being released? Like a service pack update?
Will future copies of Windows 8 contain 8.1?
[QUOTE=Coffee;40918302]I shouldn't have to pay extra to personalise the operating system.[/QUOTE]
Then download one of the 5+ free alternatives that function just as well. Also you don't NEED Start8. Metro works fine.
[editline]6th June 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=MisterMooth;40918453]So, how exactly is this being released? Like a service pack update?
Will future copies of Windows 8 contain 8.1?[/QUOTE]
Apparently it's going to be through the Windows Metro Store. Don't know how but that's all they've said.
Update: They just stated this today
[quote]Microsoft officials have said previously that the company plans to deliver the public preview of Windows 8.1, codenamed "Blue," via the Windows Store on June 26.
When the 8.1 preview is available, Windows 8 and Windows RT users will receive a Windows Update notification. That update will trigger the new bits to show up in the Windows Store, where potential testers will be able to read the description and choose whether or not to install.
Once the final versions of Windows 8.1 are available, after their release to manufacturing, those who have downloaded the preview will get the same Windows Update plus Windows Store notification. While their data and accounts will be preserved if and when they choose to install the free, final 8.1 release, all their apps must be reinstalled, Niehaus said.
For those wondering exactly which apps will need to be reinstalled, it depends whether the tester is running Windows on ARM or x86. On Windows RT devices, it's the Windows Store/Metro-Style apps that will have to be reinstalled; for x86-based Windows 8 systems, testers will need to reinstall both their Windows Store/Metro-Style and Desktop apps, a Microsoft spokesperson said.
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Yeah... I'll wait for the final release.
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