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[QUOTE=Daniel M;40918461]Then download one of the 5+ free alternatives that function just as well. Also you don't NEED Start8.[/QUOTE] But I shouldn't have to download something which really ought to be included in the first place.
[QUOTE=The golden;40918508]All of this would be a non-issue if Microsoft wasn't retarded and actually gave you the option to use both in Win8.[/QUOTE] The start menu is a bunch of legacy code that really shouldn't be there and I'm glad they're forcing people into Metro. [editline]6th June 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Coffee;40918583]But I shouldn't have to download something which really ought to be included in the first place.[/QUOTE] Okay then don't buy it. Enjoy your buggier, less secure, feature-lacking version of Windows. I'll be enjoying myself. If you're willing to miss out because of a 30 second download, joke's on you.
[QUOTE=Coffee;40918583]But I shouldn't have to download something which really ought to be included in the first place.[/QUOTE] I don't know why it "ought" to be included. Microsoft never advertised or intended for the start menu to ever be there, as that wasn't a design goal. Their goal was to promote the Metro interface for general use, with the desktop being a "legacy" feature so people can still use all their non Metro applications. After all, you still have 7 if you feel you REALLY need the Start Menu.
[QUOTE=The golden;40918647]Forcing customers into any sort of change rather than transition is a horrible idea that will bite you in the ass - hence the backlash to Win8. When you bring about changes, especially those to such huge and widely used products like Windows, you do it gradually. Changing the start menu isn't even that big of a change but because they forced it look at the backlash that it has caused. Ok now you're just talking out of your ass and going into fanboy mode.[/QUOTE] Well its Daniel M. I don't know what you were expecting. :v:
[QUOTE=The golden;40918647] Ok now you're just talking out of your ass and going into fanboy mode.[/QUOTE] I don't give a fuck about Microsoft. I will just defend the better product. Windows 8 is more secure: fact Windows 8 is faster: fact Windows 8 has more features: fact Windows 8 is newer than Windows 7: fact
[QUOTE=The golden;40918698]Ok, now you've done it. You'll need to give modern sources on all those claims otherwise you're full of shit.[/QUOTE] I'm not going to give sources for every single point because it's logic. Windows 8 incorporated newer safety/backup methods which render many malicious programs/batch files useless and outdated. Windows 8 is faster according to numerous benchmarks. Windows 8 added in Metro applications, Cloud Synchronization, better multi-monitor management, most of my devices do not require drivers since they're plug and play including my ethernet drivers meaning I don't need the USB stick anymore to get my internet working, my graphic drivers meaning I don't have to start in some super small resolution, natively supports my 2560x1440 monitor. Even obscure devices like my Line 6 HD500, a guitar interface which on Windows 7 I had to go out and seek drivers. They all just work. [t]http://usabilitygeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Windows-8-vs-Windows-7-Speed-Performance-Testing-5.jpg[/t] Also Windows 8 is newer than Windows 7, apparently I need a source so here you go. Windows 8: October 26, 2012 October 22, 2009
[QUOTE=Daniel M;40918590] Okay then don't buy it. Enjoy your buggier, less secure, feature-lacking version of Windows. I'll be enjoying myself. If you're willing to miss out because of a 30 second download, joke's on you.[/QUOTE] The only things I don't like about Metro are the fact that it's fullscreen and that it looks ugly. They could have had a small start menu à la Windows 7 as an optional thing for people who prefer it like that, but Microsoft are just shoving Metro down our throats without giving a decent choice. I should never have to download third party modifications to make things roughly how I want it. I shouldn't have to duct tape together a bunch of mods with the OS like Steptoe and Son.
[QUOTE=Coffee;40918766]The only things I don't like about Metro are the fact that it's fullscreen and that it looks ugly. They could have had a small start menu à la Windows 7 as an optional thing for people who prefer it like that, but Microsoft are just shoving Metro down our throats without giving a decent choice. I should never have to download third party modifications to make things roughly how I want it. I shouldn't have to duct tape together a bunch of mods with the OS like Steptoe and Son.[/QUOTE] I don't see how Metro is ugly. It's been universally praised for the brilliant design throughout pretty much every physical product Microsoft has put out since 2010. You shouldn't have to download a third party piece of software but if you want to go back to how it was, stay there or take 30 seconds out of your day to download and install it. The average consumer doesn't care about that so when you take the stance of the "enthusiast user" expect to do some tinkering. Why should they cater to such a small minority of users? Why fragment the entire experience even further? Metro is here and it's here to stay, luckily it's only going to get better and I'm sure that's good for everyone involved.
[QUOTE=The golden;40918820]Yeah, you're a shitposter.[/QUOTE] At least I don't have a shit opinion when it comes to Windows 8.
[QUOTE=The golden;40918698] Sorry. I've never seen him before. I'm assuming he's a shitposter? :v:[/QUOTE] Check out his visitor messages. Gives you a good idea from the Android thread's perspective.
the search feature is finally comparable to apple's spotlight its such a useful feature i cant believe they didnt add it earlier
[QUOTE=Demache;40918843]Check out his visitor messages. Gives you a good idea from the Android thread's perspective.[/QUOTE] Rather than being a cunt and attacking me, how about you attack what I'm saying right now. I posted benchmarks, I posted examples of everything I've said, what's wrong with that?
[QUOTE=Daniel M;40918800]I don't see how Metro is ugly. It's been universally praised for the brilliant design throughout pretty much every physical product Microsoft has put out since 2010. [/QUOTE] There are these things called "opinions". [QUOTE=Daniel M;40918800] You shouldn't have to download a third party piece of software but if you want to go back to how it was, stay there or take 30 seconds out of your day to download and install it. The average consumer doesn't care about that so when you take the stance of the "enthusiast user" expect to do some tinkering. [/QUOTE] That's not the point of my argument, the point is that since ~Windows 95, there has always been a Start Menu, and most people like it and they've pretty much got used to it over this time. However, Microsoft are trying to shove Metro down peoples throats (I assume this is because they paid the designers of it too much and now they want to justify the high cost) - anyway - there is little to no transition provided by Microsoft, and instead you have people not caring or you have people who mod it out of the way. Things like Start8 wouldn't exist if Microsoft threw in a bunch of decent customization options. [QUOTE=Daniel M;40918800] Why should they cater to such a small minority of users? Why fragment the entire experience even further? Metro is here and it's here to stay, luckily it's only going to get better and I'm sure that's good for everyone involved.[/QUOTE] How much are Microsoft paying you?
[QUOTE=Daniel M;40918901]Rather than being a cunt and attacking me, how about you attack what I'm saying right now. I posted benchmarks, I posted examples of everything I've said, what's wrong with that?[/QUOTE] Why would I need to attack what your saying? I use Windows 8 and Metro, and like it better than 7. The irony here is that I'm being a cunt but agree with you...sort of.
[QUOTE=Coffee;40918962]There are these things called "opinions". [b]Opinions are like assholes, everyone has them and most of them stink. Care that much about removing Metro? Go ahead. No one's stopping you but don't expect to hold the entire industry back because of your shit taste in design[/b] That's not the point of my argument, the point is that since ~Windows 95, there has always been a Start Menu, and most people like it and they've pretty much got used to it over this time. However, Microsoft are trying to shove Metro down peoples throats (I assume this is because they paid the designers of it too much and now they want to justify the high cost) - anyway - there is little to no transition provided by Microsoft, and instead you have people not caring or you have people who mod it out of the way. [b]It looks different, it looks better, it's full screen instead of making the user focus on 1/10th of their monitor's real estate. The functionality is there. It's even faster too. The start menu is a relic from Windows 95 and they wanted to update it.[/b] Things like Start8 wouldn't exist if Microsoft threw in a bunch of decent customization options. [b]Start8 exists because there are a million butthurt neckbeards that don't want change and use the excuse of "it eliminates multi-tasking" even though if you were to click off of the menu, it'd close.[/b] How much are Microsoft paying you?[/QUOTE] Yeah man, I'm a paid shill. That totally invalidates everything I've ever said. You are everything that is wrong with internet forums. You're quite the shit poster yourself.
Fool me once...
[QUOTE=Daniel M;40919018]Yeah man, I'm a paid shill. That totally invalidates everything I've ever said. You are everything that is wrong with internet forums. You're quite the shit poster yourself.[/QUOTE] You know that last comment was meant to be a joke?
[QUOTE=Suitcase;40919032]Fool me once...[/QUOTE] If that were true everyone would be using Vista or XP and skipped over 7.
[QUOTE=FlubberNugget;40916366]Windows 8 tablets are a very different market from Android devices. Android and iOS are both designed with battery life, accessibility among other things in mind A Windows 8 tablet is practically a laptop without a keyboard. [editline]5th June 2013[/editline] Charms aren't bad without a touchscreen. Win + I is an incredibly useful charm.[/QUOTE] I had no idea charms were a thing because I don't have windows keys at all on this keyboard [editline]6th June 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Coffee;40918583]But I shouldn't have to download something which really ought to be included in the first place.[/QUOTE] you're definitely using google chrome right now, and you probably have 7z or winrar installed on your computer, you've probably got steam and uplay installed, you've probably got speccy or similar, ccleaner is likely installed, you've likely got a torrent program, and I hope for your sake you have an antivirus program. why are you complaining about one more piece of software?
[QUOTE=butre;40919159] you're definitely using google chrome right now, and you probably have 7z or winrar installed on your computer, you've probably got steam and uplay installed, you've probably got speccy or similar, ccleaner is likely installed, you've likely got a torrent program, and I hope for your sake you have an antivirus program. why are you complaining about one more piece of software?[/QUOTE] The difference being is that they aren't the OS, they're applications. The OS should come with all the things it needs to satisfy the users, whereas the applications are extras that are up to the user.
[QUOTE=Coffee;40919244]The difference being is that they aren't the OS, they're applications. The OS should come with all the things it needs to satisfy the users, whereas the applications are extras that are up to the user.[/QUOTE] the start menu isn't the OS either you ninny
[QUOTE=butre;40919251]the start menu isn't the OS either you ninny[/QUOTE] part of the OS*
[QUOTE=Coffee;40919261]part of the OS*[/QUOTE] no wrong again
[QUOTE=Coffee;40919261]part of the OS*[/QUOTE] Technically, no. The start menu is just part of the explorer shell which is its own program. Its part of the Windows package but its in no way part of the core OS. If you [i]really[/i] wanted to, you could install an alternative shell.
[QUOTE=Coffee;40919244]The difference being is that they aren't the OS, they're applications. The OS should come with all the things it needs to satisfy the users, whereas the applications are extras that are up to the user.[/QUOTE] If people were butthurt about the aesthetics of XP/Vista/7 they installed WindowBlinds. If you want to change the aesthetics of the start menu, go ahead and download a third party program but just know all you're doing is changing aesthetics. Metro is the start menu and it's even more functional than the one you're going back to.
[QUOTE=JoeSkylynx;40911527][t]http://cdn2.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/7035123/pokkiwindows8_large_verge_medium_landscape.jpg[/t] Pokki still looks much nicer.[/QUOTE] enjoy ur ads [editline]6th June 2013[/editline] also having apps from windows 8 and pokki
[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;40913528]Bing isn't really any worse than Google at this point. I just use Google because that's what's on the omnibar.[/QUOTE] The one reason I refuse to use Bing [img]https://dl.dropbox.com/u/5733962/ShareX/2013-06/2013-06-05_21-44-31.png[/img] [img]https://dl.dropbox.com/u/5733962/ShareX/2013-06/2013-06-05_21-46-09.png[/img]
[QUOTE=Demache;40919372]Technically, no. The start menu is just part of the explorer shell which is its own program. Its part of the Windows package but its in no way part of the core OS. If you [i]really[/i] wanted to, you could install an alternative shell.[/QUOTE] Don't spew this shit When "the Windows OS" is referred to, we aren't referring to the fucking NT kernel and you know it. The OS is the [b]system[/b] of utilities and applications that are bundled together to make your computer what it is. See that key word, "system"? Explorer is a PART of the system. You can change the shell but that doesn't mean it isn't part of the OS.
[QUOTE=Jo The Shmo;40918860]the search feature is finally comparable to apple's spotlight its such a useful feature i cant believe they didnt add it earlier[/QUOTE] Not to mention the old menu (win7 and start8 etc) DO have unified search instead of that garbage per-category search.
[QUOTE=Daniel M;40918757] Windows 8 added in Metro applications, Cloud Synchronization, better multi-monitor management, most of my devices do not require drivers since they're plug and play including my ethernet drivers meaning I don't need the USB stick anymore to get my internet working, my graphic drivers meaning I don't have to start in some super small resolution, natively supports my 2560x1440 monitor. Even obscure devices like my Line 6 HD500, a guitar interface which on Windows 7 I had to go out and seek drivers. They all just work. [/QUOTE]Windows 7 supports my 2560x1440 monitor, what difference does changing the res on first install make, I just image my Windows drive and restore the latest backup when I install. That's great, you get "Cloud" synchronization ,Metro applications, which are very useful features to people who aren't me :rolleyes: .
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