Yes vote gains 8 point lead in Scottish Independence referendum. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Scotty.;45976767]I might go join the BBC protests today as well, take some pictures to show you all later.[/QUOTE] I took this at the march today [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/u8ejhCO.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=mankind_me;45976820][img]http://i.imgur.com/pKk2Xsu.png[/img] uwot[/QUOTE] l8er than i am m8 [QUOTE=Hamsteronfire;45976413]hmm [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/fcVvhqX.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Marzipas;45976763]Loads of shit has been cropping up I've noticed now, most amusing is this one. [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C18zpi2yBwE[/media][/QUOTE] tbh this looks more like incompetence than malice

[QUOTE=Drsalvador;45976515]It doesn't really matter if it's Scotland deciding their own fate. People will remember that, under him, Scotland fucked off. And it'll absolutely kill him in the elections.[/QUOTE] It is incredible how much things will change for rUK if Scotland leaves, because we've kind of been going along blissfully assuming that Scotland will vote no and we'll get on with the rest of our lives. If they vote yes it will be like the dark road from the end of Terminator 2, everything we thought we knew about the future - the 2015 election, the rise of UKIP, Miliband's chances for PM, the proposed EU referendum, the economic recovery - we can just throw it all out because suddenly we'll have NO fucking idea what's going to happen. No one is able to predict what impact it would have on the polls, and the next year or two of politics would be completely dominated by independence negotiations and the political wrangling around them. David Cameron, the BBC, guys on forums, no one will have any idea what the future holds for British politics. So if Scotland does leave at least it will be exciting.

[QUOTE=Craigewan;45976339]Aberdeen has a similar thing going on today. Not exactly sure where, but a bunch of my friends are going. (And it is really heartwarming how many of them are English or continental European and are going)[/QUOTE] I was there - quite amazing. I didn't get any decent pictures but I found some : [img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bxf4Ym6IAAEW_TM.jpg[/img] [img]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BxfnkFKIMAAjCwf.jpg[/img]

Why does Scotland think that as soon as Westminster stops running their decisions they'll suddenly have a competent government? They're still going to have incompetent idiots making decisions, only this time they'll be ~independent~

[QUOTE=ZombieDawgs;45977525]Why does Scotland think that as soon as Westminster stops running their decisions they'll suddenly have a competent government? They're still going to have incompetent idiots making decisions, only this time they'll be ~independent~[/QUOTE] 1) It'll be easier for us to vote out incompetent politicians because it will be just Scottish votes taken into account. Currently if a politician does well by England and screws Scotland, we can't vote them out 2) The politicians we have will be entirely ones living here. They'll see the effects of anything they do wrong.

The yesmobile drove past a minute ago [IMG]http://i.cubeupload.com/hISqRy.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=croguy;45976099]Can the news just say "We have no idea who has the majority" now?[/QUOTE] no, i mean yes, i mean no, i mean... [editline]14th September 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Flapadar;45977536]1) It'll be easier for us to vote out incompetent politicians because it will be just Scottish votes taken into account. Currently if a politician does well by England and screws Scotland, we can't vote them out 2) The politicians we have will be entirely ones living here. They'll see the effects of anything they do wrong.[/QUOTE] 1) nobody ever votes out incompetent politicians, nobody because people are too lazy to do it 2) you'd think thats true but it isn't because they'll just have two residences

[QUOTE=Sableye;45977648]1) nobody ever votes out incompetent politicians, nobody because people are too lazy to do it 2) you'd think thats true but it isn't because they'll just have two residences[/QUOTE] 1 has happened recently (Gordon Brown) and 2 - second home where exactly? Once they've got no business in Westminster, where are they going to claim a second home on their allowances that isn't Scotland?

[QUOTE=smurfy;45977450]It is incredible how much things will change for rUK if Scotland leaves, because we've kind of been going along blissfully assuming that Scotland will vote no and we'll get on with the rest of our lives. If they vote yes it will be like the dark road from the end of Terminator 2, everything we thought we knew about the future - the 2015 election, the rise of UKIP, Miliband's chances for PM, the proposed EU referendum, the economic recovery - we can just throw it all out because suddenly we'll have NO fucking idea what's going to happen. No one is able to predict what impact it would have on the polls, and the next year or two of politics would be completely dominated by independence negotiations and the political wrangling around them. David Cameron, the BBC, guys on forums, no one will have any idea what the future holds for British politics. So if Scotland does leave at least it will be exciting.[/QUOTE] if the future isn't bright at least its colorful

[QUOTE=Flapadar;45977536] 2) The politicians we have will be entirely ones living here. They'll see the effects of anything they do wrong.[/QUOTE] That doesn't really apply, anywhere. Politicians rarely feel the effects of Politics like the common Joe does.

If you think independence means independence from a big city you're mistaken. Edinburgh will become the new London, and that's where all of the capital, business, power, and people with skills will move to. Considering the centralizing tendencies of the SNP and the need for a newly independent country to begin "nation-building", the new government will end up focusing on making Edinburgh the powerhouse and having the rest of the country follow behind. With the exception of Edinburgh, I can't conceivably see the rest of the country being any better off after independence.

[QUOTE=Robert9734;45978366]If you think independence means independence from a big city you're mistaken. Edinburgh will become the new London, and that's where all of the capital, business, power, and people with skills will move to. Considering the centralizing tendencies of the SNP and the need for a newly independent country to begin "nation-building", the new government will end up focusing on making Edinburgh the powerhouse and having the rest of the country follow behind. With the exception of Edinburgh, I can't conceivably see the rest of the country being any better off after independence.[/QUOTE] This. An independent Scotland will just break off into the same political/geographical cliques that England suffers from. Certain areas of the country will be vastly underrepresented (the highlands), because the cities totally swamp them in population. It's swapping getting fucked over by London for getting fucked over by Aberdeen/Edinburgh/Glasgow, [I]without[/I] the economic security that comes with the union.

well do elaborate on how you are so certain that that will happen

These articles usually (briefly) state that when they mention someone gaining 'eight points', they're only talking about one out of seven official polls. The Yes campaign was briefly leading a YouGov poll last week, but that's it. Most of the polls aren't up to date at the moment anyway.

[QUOTE=Marzipas;45978503]well do elaborate on how you are so certain that that will happen[/QUOTE] because current demographic and economic trends generally tend to support that ever since the old industry was dismantled, finances and services have become steadily more important. For instance, the major academic sector, research, life sciences, finance, services all require skilled people. being a global city with good transport links, culture, etc helps as well, in addition to having practically all of the civil service, government offices, the parliament, etc in the capital as well. Edinburgh fits all of these. Edinburgh is where all of the embassies and consulates will go. Edinburgh is where all the university and college students go. Edinburgh is where the big banks are located, many of the major tourist attractions, good rail and bus links and transportation, airports, all service or are of excellent quality in Edinburgh. The fact that the vast bulk of the population lives in a few urban centres concentrated into a small area is a boon to centralization as well.