Project Harpoon: Plus size model Tess Holliday demands users boycott Facebook and Instagram accounts - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;48513365]Because having a sense of humor that is not compatible with most people's sensibilities is being an edgelord... right. It's very reductionist, and we've discussed this time and time again. Humor is [U]subjective[/U], let's just leave it at that.[/QUOTE] yeah i dont see how telling fat people to kill themselves because they're fat is humor or that they're hideous disgusting land whales is humor either you know what we call that? Being an unlikable, insufferable asshole. Not being funny.

Does her image have a copyright or something? Why does she keep stating that they're using her image without permission?

[QUOTE=Thlis;48513403]Okay? As far as I am aware they "encourage" a healthier life style by showing how someone could look after a healthier life style. How is making someone look subjectively better with photoshop worse than making someone look subjectively worse with photoshop? A lot of the time I am seeing words like "shaming" but really, how? If you show someone as they are and as the could be with effort is that really shaming? What if you show someone as they are and someone that is similar to what they could be with effort?[/QUOTE] For some people, I agree that could work. For other people, if they're struggling with depression and being overweight, then you're not helping at all. People in that sort of mindset are generally already well aware of their weight and it (at least speaking from personal experience) makes them feel absolutely worthless. All this sort of thing does is just make them think 'if you weren't a worthless piece of shit, this could be you'. It just reinforces the whole thing and does nothing to contribute towards them getting better.

[QUOTE=ossumsauce;48513503]yeah i dont see how[B] telling fat people to kill themselves[/B] because they're fat is humor or that they're hideous disgusting land whales is humor either you know what we call that? Being an unlikable, insufferable asshole. Not being funny.[/QUOTE] Where exactly are you all pulling this from? [QUOTE=Camundongo;48513509]For some people, I agree that could work. For other people, if they're struggling with depression and being overweight, then you're not helping at all. People in that sort of mindset are generally already well aware of their weight and it (at least speaking from personal experience) makes them feel absolutely worthless. All this sort of thing does is just make them think 'if you weren't a worthless piece of shit, this could be you'. It just reinforces the whole thing and does nothing to contribute towards them getting better.[/QUOTE] My problem with this is you could get the same "shaming" from simply comparing two people in any aspect. And I wouldn't at all be surprised if, when the opposite is done, this model would be applauding it as a bold step forward for society.

[QUOTE=Thlis;48513516]Where exactly are you all pulling this from?[/QUOTE] Well I'm sure you could find some anonymous user on fatpeoplehate or something but yeah, doubt all of the people involved with this are like that.

[QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;48513455]There is legitimate debate to be had over what is and isn't a healthy weight, but let's not pretend Project Harpoon (even the name lmao) is doing anything positive. It's just 4chan edgelords making fun of fat people.[/QUOTE] Is it worse than some of those fitness or gym ads? "Be a better you" and all that jazz? They're essentially doing no more than a "This could be you" photoshop routine and giggling as the "Fat-Shaming" demographic comes out to whine. Okay, they [B]are[/B] doing alterations to people well-known in said demographic in order to get a rise out of them directly. But for some reason, despite the targeting, I don't condemn 4chan for doing it. Some of those photoshops I've seen keep proper body proportions without going "Supermodel Skinny" and really do show what can be seen as an improvement from the current body they have.

I'm not for shaming people individually, but the fat pride (Or whatever you want to call it) is just as harmful as the thin pride mentality. Project Harpoon is obviously more malicious in it's intent, but I think it's still a good thing that it's raising conversation.

[QUOTE=Thlis;48513516]Where exactly are you all pulling this from?[/QUOTE] To be fair, it's called Project [B][I]Harpoon[/I][/B]. >Directly implies whales >Targets fat people >Harpoons are used to kill whales [QUOTE=ossumsauce;48513503]yeah i dont see how telling fat people to kill themselves because they're fat is humor or that they're hideous disgusting land whales is humor either[/QUOTE] Implications aside though, citation needed. The original purpose was JUST the photoshopping to show how people [I]could[/I] look like. When did telling fat people to kill themselves come into play? While "Land Whale" is implied, where did "Hideous" and "Disgusting" come from? That sounds like projection.

[QUOTE=Kommodore;48513288]i don't get what's so funny or smart about going out of your way to make sure fat people feel ashamed of themselves[/QUOTE] It's made as a follow-up to the people at the anorexia clinic photoshopping fat rolls and bourrelets onto video game characters to make them more realistic then calling it "reverse photoshopping". If anything, the bad quality of some of the 'shops and the unrealistic breasts getting larger are playing into that, showing how stupid the original one was. Additionally, it's fucking funny and the 4chan campaign is 20x as popular and successful as the original campaign was.

I don't think this encourages anything, it's just a reverse of fattening characters. I really don't think doing either strengthens either cause, it just makes the ones doing it look like idiots. [sp]I still think it's funny tho[/sp]

[QUOTE=01271;48513602]Additionally, it's fucking funny and the 4chan campaign is 20x as popular and successful as the original campaign was.[/QUOTE] I wouldn't really call it much of a success if it hasn't encouraged anybody to start exercising and eating healthy.

[QUOTE=Limed00d;48513456]body acceptance =/= "fat enabling"[/QUOTE] How is it not? Telling people they are fine when they are actually very unhealthy is despicable. This isn't the way to go about it though.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48513526]Well I'm sure you could find some anonymous user on fatpeoplehate or something but yeah, doubt all of the people involved with this are like that.[/QUOTE] Ah ok so when it's SJWs or feminists it's okay to make sweeping generalizations and make vague references to tumblr in order to support your bullshit but when 4chan photoshops fat people and mocks them it's actually a minority. Gotcha.

[QUOTE=squids_eye;48513675]How is it not? Telling people they are fine when they are actually very unhealthy is despicable. This isn't the way to go about it though.[/QUOTE] Body acceptance is not being a dick to fat people. Its not saying that fat is beautiful or that being fat is healthy. [QUOTE=SgtCr4zyGunz;48513681]Ah ok so when it's SJWs it's okay to make sweeping generalizations...[/QUOTE] Some anonymous guy [B]vs[/B] somebody speaking to an audience at a university or person with 10s of thousands of followers

[QUOTE=BuffaloBill;48513387]Project Harpoon was a response to the ridiculous project recently to create fat versions of a lot of popular female figures such as Lara Croft (while saying they were more 'realistic', lol). Leave it to 4chan to call something like this Project Harpoon. :v:[/QUOTE] I mean, it wasn't to try to get people to accept that fat is healthy, it's to get anorexic and bulimic people to not worry about gaining weight...

[QUOTE=Vodkavia;48513712]TBH you're missing the point if you think that's even relevant, [b]considering that this is a response to edits which promoted obesity as healthy. [/b] As undoubtedly mean the intent is, Project Harpoon has a HUGE moral high ground (politcally) to people who genuinely believe this is what a healthy athletic woman looks like [img]http://i.imgur.com/5a9Morz.png[/img][/QUOTE] No it's not. The image you posted was an edit made to reflect the average American, not the ideal, as material for a [b]bulimia support group[/b]. Meaning, for people who think they're hideously overweight even when they're stick-figure-thin. It was meant to demonstrate that fictional media characters do not represent typical body shapes and that gaining weight when you look like [url=http://www.geronguide.com/gallery/var/albums/Bulimia-Nervosa/bulimia-effect-17.jpg?m=1295183383]this[/url] is not a bad thing. This is like the definition of outrage culture right here. People getting upset over assumed intent and making zero effort to understand what they're getting offended about.

[QUOTE=Pretiacruento;48513391]I'd say [U]enabling[/U]. I could never tell a smoker or an alcoholic that what he does is okay, and that he's fine... with a straight face. Same thing applies here, IMO. I just don't think it's right to encourage that lifestyle.[/QUOTE] This is a great analogy, especially since some posters don't seem to realize there's a difference between morbidly obese and having a little meat on the bones. Of course you shouldn't encourage an alcoholic that drinking too much is healthy, but shame anyone who enjoys a nice brewski is fucked up and doesn't help anyone.

[QUOTE=Lordgeorge16;48513661]I wouldn't really call it much of a success if it hasn't encouraged anybody to start exercising and eating healthy.[/QUOTE] By success we mean in terms of hilarity produced by it, that's just my opinion though.

[QUOTE=Radical Rebel;48513800]By success we mean in terms of hilarity produced by it, that's just my opinion though.[/QUOTE] Then I suggest you get a better sense of humor because most people would find editing photos of people and posting them online without their consent creepy and weird.

[QUOTE=squids_eye;48513675]How is it not? Telling people they are fine when they are actually very unhealthy is despicable. This isn't the way to go about it though.[/QUOTE] Body acceptance = You don't need a 6 pack and bulging biceps to be healthy and like the way your body looks.

You can be a chubby fuck, whatever. But when you reach Tess Holliday levels of fat, you're just eating yourself to a coma

[QUOTE=RainbowStalin;48513842]Then I suggest you get a better sense of humor because most people would find editing photos of people and posting them online without their consent creepy and weird.[/QUOTE] Not the photos themselves, the reactions displayed by the people going against it.

There needs to be a way to approach this and say "yeah, you can be pretty and be fat, but you can't delude yourself and say it's healthy as well"

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48513695]Body acceptance is not being a dick to fat people. Its not saying that fat is beautiful or that being fat is healthy.[/QUOTE]I'd wager that most people who use the term "body acceptance" in casual conversation are also the type of people who think, "well being plus sized isn't unhealthy at all, that's a myth." I mean it's pretty shitty when you're talking with somebody about losing weight and that [i]one asshole[/i] shows up and starts mouthing off about how you should be happy with how you look. Yeah, no, being a 250lb pig is not healthy and it shouldn't be "accepted" simply because being rightfully disgusted by somebody's laziness would hurt their feelings. What's next? Scent acceptance? Am I allowed to shit my pants and walk around and tell people to check their bathed privilege when they're repulsed by my rancid stench? I know it sounds ridiculous (it is) but there are people out there [i]right now[/i] who actually believe that obesity is not a health problem at all. Hell, I personally know people who would start dredging up all sorts of obscure medical disorders that make you stink like rotten dicks or something as a justification for "scent acceptance." Even if I said, "well I made that up right now, I just thought it up for this post" they'd retort that just because I made it up doesn't mean it's not a real thing and that I should stop being so self-absorbed.

[QUOTE=SenhorCreeper;48513873]You can be a chubby fuck, whatever. But when you reach Tess Holliday levels of fat, you're just eating yourself to a coma[/QUOTE] Well, she does look like she's a couple Big Macs away from a cardiac arrest, to be quite honest. But then again, these people don't deal with honesty - they prefer to hide it away and pretend everything's fine, when they could invest all that energy on improving themselves. If anything, I feel sorry for her. If she makes it the day after she's 40, with that size... she should consider herself lucky. [editline]22nd August 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Velocet;48513967]There needs to be a way to approach this and say "yeah, you can be pretty and be fat, but you can't delude yourself and say it's healthy as well"[/QUOTE] That's the same way I talked to a few friends and acquaintances on the matter, and they all said I'm a chauvinistic cocksucker. Eh... I chose to leave them be. No point in arguing with them any further.

This is just a circus to be honest, the only winners are the 4-channers for getting a bunch of people to get angry, that was their only goal.

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;48513982]I'd wager that most people who use the term "body acceptance" in casual conversation are also the type of people who think, "well being plus sized isn't unhealthy at all, that's a myth." I mean it's pretty shitty when you're talking with somebody about losing weight and that [i]one asshole[/i] shows up and starts mouthing off about how you should be happy with how you look. Yeah, no, being a 250lb pig is not healthy and it shouldn't be "accepted" simply because being rightfully disgusted by somebody's laziness would hurt their feelings. What's next? Scent acceptance? Am I allowed to shit my pants and walk around and tell people to check their bathed privilege when they're repulsed by my rancid stench? I know it sounds ridiculous (it is) but there are people out there [i]right now[/i] who actually believe that obesity is not a health problem at all. Hell, I personally know people who would start dredging up all sorts of obscure medical disorders that make you stink like rotten dicks or something as a justification for "scent acceptance." Even if I said, "well I made that up right now, I just thought it up for this post" they'd retort that just because I made it up doesn't mean it's not a real thing and that I should stop being so self-absorbed.[/QUOTE] This made me think about some cigarette smokers who don't believe smoking is harmful. I guess smoking/being overweight is ok as long as it doesn't harm others. I don't think what people do in their private lives is any of our business. If people want to eat, let them eat. If they like, why should we care? It's definitely a problem if people eatingsmoking starts hurting other people, but I don't think this model is encouraging any girls to choose to become overweight to be like her, they already were overweight and she's helping their self-esteem.

[QUOTE=squids_eye;48513675]How is it not? Telling people they are fine when they are actually very unhealthy is despicable. This isn't the way to go about it though.[/QUOTE] I don't think you understand what he means, telling somebody they are fine, just so they don't depress themselves with insults isn't the same as advocating that they remain unhealthy. If anything most people who are overweight are that way because they use food as a coping mechanism to deal with stress, insulting them continuously just feeds into that feedback cycle for them, if anything is despicable it's the ignorant morons who think shaming is the way to make people healthier. There are easier and more positive solutions to helping people get healthier.

[t]http://snappa.static.pressassociation.io/assets/2015/04/23075026/1429771822-9e1d87a76285f151d9c2e1db9455325b-1366x1950.jpg[/t] I think this is a little more than "plus-size". Fat-shaming isn't okay in any way, but being 280 lbs at 5'5 isn't a lifestyle that should be encouraged or embraced. She's probably going to die within the next decade.

[QUOTE=CreeplyTuna;48514087]This made me think about some cigarette smokers who don't believe smoking is harmful.[/QUOTE] It's literally the same thing. You wouldn't tell an alcoholic, or a heavy smoker, that he's doing just fine, no matter how much he'd insist that he feels great, wouldn't you? I see it the exact same way. It's a poisonous lifestyle and I don't agree with enabling their behavior. Same thing applies here. I personally can't see a heavy smoker, or an alcoholic, or a morbidly obese person, and tell him that he's doing just fine, with a straight face, I'd be lying if I did and I don't like that.