Project Harpoon: Plus size model Tess Holliday demands users boycott Facebook and Instagram accounts - Polidicks

I find it really disturbing that the current ~anti-tumblr-sjw~ stuff has gotten to the point where people can look at a bunch of edgelord teenagers bullying women on the internet and think "whoa these people are total heros for trying to send a positive message about weight loss!". Personally im totally sick of body-shaming. it's got nothing to do with what is and what isn't healthy, its all about whatever the person doing the shaming finds attractive. I can't go on facebook without seeing "MEN DON'T LIKE BONES REAL WOMEN HAVE CURVES" or " IF U LOOK LIKE THIS NO MAN WANT YOU HAHA LOOK MAN THE HARPOONS LMAO"- Its not going to inspire anyone to gain or lose weight, its not going to make anyone change what they like in a woman, all it does is make people feel uncomfortable with the way they look.

I don't understand why some of you are taking a clearly said to be "troll campaign" to get a reaction out of people so seriously Even when you're told you're being played, you still fall for it, come on now

I am about to get cancer from you twits. Project harpoon was to laugh at the fact some women started photoshopping female protagonists in games to look more realisticly fat(???), this was launched to do vice versa for fat women so they would see how stupid they look. wait nvm its just 4chan they are edgeshitlords lmao.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;48514842]It's amazing how her face is somehow immune to fat Most women at her level would have a couple of extra chins at that point.[/QUOTE] You know she fucks with a lot of makeup, and she photoshops her flaws too, right?

[QUOTE=SenhorCreeper;48516438]You know she fucks with a lot of makeup, and she photoshops her flaws too, right?[/QUOTE] Yeah, she(?) photoshops out the stretchmarks and "curves" the otherwise "floppy"(can't believe i'm saying this) features of her body. Which is funny, becouse she is all about fat acceptance, and fat beauty and all that, but the photoshops imply the exact opposite. One would think that she doesn't accept her fat, based on that. imo

[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;48516436]I am about to get cancer from you twits. Project harpoon was to laugh at the fact some women started photoshopping female protagonists in games to look more realisticly fat(???), this was launched to do vice versa for fat women so they would see how stupid they look. wait nvm its just 4chan they are edgeshitlords lmao.[/QUOTE] Don't call other people twits when you manage to completely miss the point of such a simple gesture with the realistic character shops (even if they weren't super great quality). The intent of that was not to say "hey fat people are 110% fine everyone get fucking fat", it was from a fucking [I]bulimia support group[/I] trying to point out to those who suffer from a severe eating disorder in which they think they are always obese that they are in fact not obese, and that the media portrayal of women is not accurate to reality so don't focus on that portrayal. I have no doubt you'll just totally ignore this as the Internet has managed to twist the intent of those images into "fucking sjws..." as has been done with a lot of stuff. Despite the fact "SJWs" had nothing to do with it and it was entirely the creation of a mental health support group.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;48516634]Don't call other people twits when you manage to completely miss the point of such a simple gesture with the realistic character shops (even if they weren't super great quality). The intent of that was not to say "hey fat people are 110% fine everyone get fucking fat", it was from a fucking [I]bulimia support group[/I] trying to point out to those who suffer from a severe eating disorder in which they think they are always obese that they are in fact not obese, and that the media portrayal of women is not accurate to reality so don't focus on that portrayal. I have no doubt you'll just totally ignore this as the Internet has managed to twist the intent of those images into "fucking sjws..." as has been done with a lot of stuff. Despite the fact "SJWs" had nothing to do with it and it was entirely the creation of a mental health support group.[/QUOTE] Those shops weren't realistic, I'd see the point if they gave them realistic proportions and more muscular bodies for the ones who perform athletic feats, but those edits bare a few simply made them downright fat. If you want to change what kind of body bulimic people perceive as beautiful through modification of the appearance of role models, try to retain the characteristics that make them role models instead of giving them body features that people who are obsessed with skinniness would find outright ridiculous. Show them that heroines need a decent amount of body mass to perform the way they do and that skeletons are nothing to gawk over. But making a teenage character like Tifa almost obese isn't going to impress bulimic girls in the slightest.

[QUOTE=_Axel;48516685]Those shops weren't realistic, I'd see the point if they gave them realistic proportions and more muscular bodies for the ones who perform athletic feats, but those edits bare a few simply made them downright fat.[/QUOTE] They weren't aiming for realistic for the characters but realistic for the population that consumes the media. Again, how are you all missing the point of this so fucking hard? It's really, really simple. If you want I can go over it again? Yeah? Okay then. The purpose was not to say "fat people are cool be fat" it was to say "you're not fat, look the media does this shit all the time, don't take that as what you should be, people on average are nowhere near that see!". When somebody is so distraught that they are obese despite not being obese, thinking that the world is laughing at them for being fat, showing them "actually the world around you is pretty fat anyway, it's okay. You don't need to obsess over it" is a way to start the process of them accepting their problem and body so the help they need can start getting through to them. (also they aren't "obsessed with skinniness", that's a drastic misunderstanding of Bulimia, they're obsessed with believing they are overweight, it's an important distinction)

Project Harpoon is aimed at people who are "Im not fat, Im curvy, accept my healthy beauty" aka people who are fat and ignorant. No, fat is not healthy or beautiful(unless that's your fetish). The whole fat movement does nothing good but encourages people to be unhealthy AND ignorant. It's like going "being an alcoholic is healthy and beautiful, accept me for who I am" completely wrong. Also, this is 4chan, nothing that comes out of there is made in good will. Though it's still funny to see fatties rage about it.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;48516717]They weren't aiming for realistic for the characters but realistic for the population that consumes the media. Again, how are you all missing the point of this so fucking hard? It's really, really simple. If you want I can go over it again? Yeah? Okay then. The purpose was not to say "fat people are cool be fat" it was to say "you're not fat, look the media does this shit all the time, don't take that as what you should be, people on average are nowhere near that see!". When somebody is so distraught that they are obese despite not being obese, thinking that the world is laughing at them for being fat, showing them "actually the world around you is pretty fat anyway, it's okay. You don't need to obsess over it" is a way to start the process of them accepting their problem and body so the help they need can start getting through to them. (also they aren't "obsessed with skinniness", that's a drastic misunderstanding of Bulimia, they're obsessed with believing they are overweight, it's an important distinction)[/QUOTE] I don't see how that would work really. If like you say they don't see others as fatter than they actually are they probably don't care about how fat the average person is, only how fat they are themselves. So the only way to solve the problem would be to make them realize they judge themselves too harshly. Personally, people who point out that the average person is rather fat doesn't change a thing about how I think my body should be. It simply makes me empathise with how those people must feel. I could have done without your aggressive tone by the way, but from your other posts I assume that's your typical way of conversing.

[QUOTE=catbarf;48513779]No it's not. The image you posted was an edit made to reflect the average American, not the ideal, as material for a [b]bulimia support group[/b]. Meaning, for people who think they're hideously overweight even when they're stick-figure-thin. It was meant to demonstrate that fictional media characters do not represent typical body shapes and that gaining weight when you look like [url=http://www.geronguide.com/gallery/var/albums/Bulimia-Nervosa/bulimia-effect-17.jpg?m=1295183383]this[/url] is not a bad thing. This is like the definition of outrage culture right here. People getting upset over assumed intent and making zero effort to understand what they're getting offended about.[/QUOTE] Except most of the photoshops would make them clinically obese for their age and height. It was literally saying "Hey you! Person who is clinically underweight, become clinically overweight instead!"

[QUOTE=Pepsi-cola;48515907]You know what really makes people want to lose weight? Calling them fat pieces of shit and harassing them. Just another case of arseholes on the internet not knowing how to act.[/QUOTE] Well, it helped make me do it, twice. People socially regulate and seek conformity for health, I think it's just nature. The problem with fat acceptance is it's not about rejecting subjective beauty standards. They're based on the body giving a sense of health and fertility, and obesity doesn't. If you try to buck that trend you just make yourself look infantile and only hurt yourself, physically and mentally.

[QUOTE=Crimor;48516839]Except most of the photoshops would make them clinically obese for their age and height. It was literally saying "Hey you! Person who is clinically underweight, become clinically overweight instead!"[/QUOTE] It's really not though. It's saying "you're not overweight, trust us the media just makes you think anything that isn't a skeleton is fat". I really, really, [I]really[/I] cannot understand how you guys are capable of misconstruing something so simple like this. It's either an impressive amount of cognitive dissonance or a total lack of education on the matter.

[QUOTE=hexpunK;48516874]It's really not though. It's saying [I]"you're not overweight, trust us the media just makes you think anything that isn't a skeleton is fat"[/I]. I really, really, [I]really[/I] cannot understand how you guys are capable of misconstruing something so simple like this. It's either an impressive amount of cognitive dissonance or a total lack of education on the matter.[/QUOTE] Assuming it works, how would it be any less effective if they simply gave those characters realistic but healthy bodies? It would deliver the exact same message. Heck it would probably be more convincing and wouldn't convey the wrong sort of message to those who aren't bulimic. Think stuff like that initiative from models to release non-photoshopped pictures of them. That's the sort of stuff that puts out a positive message.

[QUOTE=_Axel;48516776]I don't see how that would work really. If like you say they don't see others as fatter than they actually are they probably don't care about how fat the average person is, only how fat they are themselves. So the only way to solve the problem would be to make them realize they judge themselves too harshly. Personally, people who point out that the average person is rather fat doesn't change a thing about how I think my body should be. It simply makes me empathise with how those people must feel. I could have done without your aggressive tone by the way, but from your other posts I assume that's your typical way of conversing.[/QUOTE] A big part of bulimia is the belief that you are fat compared to the world around you and along with that comes a whole host of paranoia that you're being mocked, a lack of confidence because of that paranoia and the urge to purge the non-existent fat from your body as a solution. Showing somebody who thinks that they are the fattest thing out there that the media portrayal of people is generally not representative of reality might not make them suddenly change their mind about their size, but it's a step to remove the media influence on their thoughts (and don't try to claim there is no such thing as media influence, beauty standards are largely derived from media stars and starlets). And I don't particularly care if you find that aggressive or anything, semi-aggressive posting is how I debate shit that I actually give a damn about because I give a fucking damn about it. If people weren't actively misinterpreting the whole thing or blaming in on parties uninvolved I'm sure the debate would be a lot less aggressive. I'm not here to make friends, I'm here to prove points and find truths after all. [editline]22nd August 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=_Axel;48516898]Assuming it works, how would it be any less effective if they simply gave those characters realistic but healthy bodies? It would deliver the exact same message. Heck it would probably be more convincing.[/QUOTE] Because that isn't representing reality? Bulimia sufferers are comparing themselves to both media figures and the general public and thinking they are fat. Showing them "actually the media is fucked and the general public is fat" is a simple way to show them that they aren't fat in comparison to others. Showing a "regular" body type might have the same impact, but that wasn't the point of the exercise. If people could stop misconstruing it as "hey get fat you fuckers it's awesome trust us" we wouldn't even be having this fucking conversation.

Why not photoshop them to something with an upper yellow(healthy) BMI then(something like around 23) Instead of photoshopping them to something that looks like high 40's or so if not more?

[QUOTE=hexpunK;48516906]And I don't particularly care if you find that aggressive or anything, semi-aggressive posting is how I debate shit that I actually give a damn about because I give a fucking damn about it. If people were actively misinterpreting the whole thing or blaming in on parties uninvolved I'm sure the debate would be a lot less aggressive. I'm not here to make friends, I'm here to prove points and find truths after all.[/QUOTE] Then don't be surprised when people who would otherwise agree with your point feel compelled to argue against you. You may believe that it makes you come off as some kind of tough guy, but really all that barking against people who show no disrespect towards you achieve is paint you as some irrational asshole who can't control his pulsions. If you really cared about proving your point and not about preaching to the choir you would do away with that sort of shit, but then again perhaps that's not actually your goal. [editline]22nd August 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=hexpunK;48516906]Because that isn't representing reality? Bulimia sufferers are comparing themselves to both media figures and the general public and thinking they are fat. Showing them "actually the media is fucked and the general public is fat" is a simple way to show them that they aren't fat in comparison to others. Showing a "regular" body type might have the same impact, but that wasn't the point of the exercise.[/QUOTE] I thought the point of the exercise was to correct bulimic people's skewed view of their body, which is in part caused by media's unrealistic representation of bodies? If both showing fit and fat role models fulfill that goal, why not go with the former when it also has the advantage of promoting healthy bodies to those who are overweight as well?

[QUOTE=_Axel;48516975]I thought the point of the exercise was to correct bulimic people's skewed view of their body, which is in part caused by media's unrealistic representation of bodies? If both showing fit and fat role models fulfill that goal, why not go with the former when it also has the advantage of promoting healthy bodies to those who are overweight as well?[/QUOTE] Probably because to anorexic/bulemic people, [i]skinny[/i] and [i]fit[/i] most likely look the same so it would really make no difference to them. They need to be given exaggerated examples if they're to take notice. As was said earlier, it's not saying "Hey you should look like this", it's more like "Hey look, this is the average body and you're much thinner than that so you don't need to starve yourself." Unless you're talking about like [i]bodybuilder[/i] fit, in which case I don't see a problem with that really, other than the fact the average body is not bodybuilder fit. I don't know if that really matters though. [QUOTE=Velocet;48513967]There needs to be a way to approach this and say "yeah, you can be pretty and be fat, but you can't delude yourself and say it's healthy as well"[/QUOTE] As much as I'm all for fat acceptance, this is true. The message shouldn't be "Fat and healthy", it should be "Fat and happy".

[QUOTE=Jimesu_Evil;48517069]Hey look, this is the average body[/QUOTE] But it isn't...?

[QUOTE=itisjuly;48517115]But it isn't...?[/QUOTE] By American standards it is.

[QUOTE=Jimesu_Evil;48517069]Probably because to anorexic/bulemic people, [i]skinny[/i] and [i]fit[/i] most likely look the same so it would really make no difference to them. They need to be given exaggerated examples if they're to take notice. As was said earlier, it's not saying "Hey you should look like this", it's more like "Hey look, this is the average body and you're much thinner than that so you don't need to starve yourself." Unless you're talking about like [i]bodybuilder[/i] fit, in which case I don't see a problem with that really, other than the fact the average body is not bodybuilder fit. I don't know if that really matters though. As much as I'm all for fat acceptance, this is true. The message shouldn't be "Fat and healthy", it should be "Fat and happy".[/QUOTE] [t]http://i.imgur.com/ZvLd5Ie.jpg[/t] Is the one on the right look like an average 5' 2" tall 15 year old girl in your country? If so your country has bigger problems than bulimia.

[QUOTE=Pepsi-cola;48515956]It seems to be this generations thing to pick a cause and fight for it no matter how much of an ass it makes them look. Like SJW/gamergate vax/anti-vax fat-shame/fat-no-shame. Surely there are better things to be spending your time arguing about.[/QUOTE] you can go ahead and say "You darn kids ruining the world" but you should realize how prevalent people picking fucking stupid fights really is. don't blame "this generation" for the human condition

[QUOTE=Crimor;48517134]Is the one on the right look like an average 5' 2" tall 15 year old girl in your country? If so your country has bigger problems than bulimia.[/QUOTE] Well yeah. I'm not denying my country has a weight problem. That's not the point here though is it.

[QUOTE=Jimesu_Evil;48517144]Well yeah. I'm not denying my country has a weight problem. That's not the point here though is it.[/QUOTE] You'd be switching one medical condition(bulimia) to another(obesity)

[QUOTE=Crimor;48517161]You'd be switching one medical condition(bulimia) to another(obesity)[/QUOTE] [quote][b]it's not saying "Hey you should look like this"[/b], it's more like "Hey look, this is the average body and you're much thinner than that so you don't need to starve yourself."[/quote] Fucking read jesus christ

[QUOTE=Jimesu_Evil;48517069]Probably because to anorexic/bulemic people, [i]skinny[/i] and [i]fit[/i] most likely look the same so it would really make no difference to them. They need to be given exaggerated examples if they're to take notice. As was said earlier, it's not saying "Hey you should look like this", it's more like "Hey look, this is the average body and you're much thinner than that so you don't need to starve yourself."[/QUOTE] Skinny and fit looking the same to them may make sense, but if they really couldn't tell the difference then the media depicting skinny as beautiful wouldn't be an issue at all, which isn't likely to be the case if those who are against those depictions are to be believed. Correcting those representations should by that logic solve the problem. [Quote]Unless you're talking about like [i]bodybuilder[/i] fit, in which case I don't see a problem with that really, other than the fact the average body is not bodybuilder fit. I don't know if that really matters though.[/QUOTE] I don't know if Lara Croft should look like a bodybuilder, but given the physical feats she achieve in the games she should be in athletic shape if we are to depict her realistically.

[QUOTE=Jimesu_Evil;48517171]Fucking read jesus christ[/QUOTE] Except it's saying whatever each individual hears. To me it says "here, this is bad, this is how you should look instead". Nothing about averages.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;48517199]Except it's saying whatever each individual hears. To me it says "here, this is bad, this is how you should look instead". Nothing about averages.[/QUOTE] Of course if you isolate the images and post them completely out of context, they're easily misinterpreted. This is the whole reason there's been so much outrage surrounding them, 90% of the people who have seen them never saw the original context where the organisation who created them explained their purpose. Admittedly though the organisation itself fucked things up by tweeting the images out with only "This is how VG characters look with realistic proportions", which really didn't help get their message across.

[QUOTE=Crimor;48517134][t]http://i.imgur.com/ZvLd5Ie.jpg[/t] Is the one on the right look like an average 5' 2" tall 15 year old girl in your country? If so your country has bigger problems than bulimia.[/QUOTE] Yeah it's got a bad case of "anime" Anyways, people are far too touchy about this whole subject.

[QUOTE=Jimesu_Evil;48517219]Of course if you isolate the images and post them completely out of context, they're easily misinterpreted. This is the whole reason there's been so much outrage surrounding them, 90% of the people who have seen them never saw the original context where the organisation who created them explained their purpose. Admittedly though the organisation itself fucked things up by tweeting the images out with only "This is how VG characters look with realistic proportions", which really didn't help get their message across.[/QUOTE] When it comes to mental illness, context won't change much.