Project Harpoon: Plus size model Tess Holliday demands users boycott Facebook and Instagram accounts - Polidicks

[QUOTE=itisjuly;48517315]When it comes to mental illness, context won't change much.[/QUOTE] Maybe but it should be enough to stop people getting outraged at something that doesn't affect them and was never intended for them in the first place, but no. People just want to complain about things they don't understand, as usual.

[QUOTE=Jimesu_Evil;48522806]Maybe but it should be enough to stop people getting outraged at something that doesn't affect them and was never intended for them in the first place, but no. People just want to complain about things they don't understand, as usual.[/QUOTE] What is there not to understand? These shops of making videogame characters fat do no good for anyone, be it people who don't understand or be it anorexic people with eating disorders. This sort of shit does not help anyone and only makes things worse, so of course people will complain.

reading this thread and it seems like some people here don't understand that sometimes there is literally nothing that can be done with obesity. i've known a couple of people who used to be very fit, but had complications later in life. (iirc, for one person, it was their thyroid.) there really is not much you can do when something like that happens. you can eat well and exercise as much as you'd like and it would change nothing. there are, to my understanding, quite a few conditions like this. and this "it's supposed to encourage you to get healthy" argument is laughable. the whole point of 4chan photoshopping images of people was to get people upset. there was nothing well intended about it. how delusional do you have to be to see it that way

[QUOTE=itisjuly;48522884]What is there not to understand?[/QUOTE] Judging from how little you understand despite the reasoning and logic behind the campaign being laid out right in front of you, a lot apparently. Besides, tell me how, if the campaign [i]doesn't[/i] work on people with eating disorders like you say, how would it work on anyone else? And if it doesn't work on anyone else, how is it [i]harmful[/i] at all? How does it make things [i]worse[/i] like you keep claiming?

[QUOTE=Limed00d;48513386]because people love shitting on others for some reason and before anyone else goes "project harpoon? oh it's about being healthy" just stop for a sec and think about just exactly [I]how[/I] they "encourage" a healthier life style obesity is unhealthy for you, but shaming and harassing others for their size is even more unhealthy, it's not gonna help [I]anyone[/I] getting motivated fuck this entire thing[/QUOTE] How are they encouraging a healthy lifestyle? By showing how they'd look if they lost weight which is pretty positive

[QUOTE=Jimesu_Evil;48523083]Judging from how little you understand despite the reasoning and logic behind the campaign being laid out right in front of you, a lot apparently. [/QUOTE]What sort of deep and meaningful message did I not understand from this "campaign"? [QUOTE=Jimesu_Evil;48523083] Besides, tell me how, if the campaign [i]doesn't[/i] work on people with eating disorders like you say, how would it work on anyone else? And if it doesn't work on anyone else, how is it [i]harmful[/i] at all? How does it make things [i]worse[/i] like you keep claiming?[/QUOTE] Where did I say it does not work? Why are you saying I said what I didn't? I said it does not help, that does not imply there is no effect. You say I understood little and then you go ramble about shit you don't seem to even read. Good going.

Nothing is healthy and beautiful about being obese. Medical conditions are a cause that can't exactly be fixed, least not by normal ways, but this comment is going to refer to those who are just lazy and refuse to accept the truth. You are unhealthy, you are not beautiful for making yourself overweight and then attempting to make others accept you. You are free to do what you want, but that is something that needs to be realized. Now if an actual medical professional tells you that you healthy, then chances are, you're healthy. I am tired of obese women skinny shaming non obese women, that shit is one hell of a double standard. Seriously, you claim that fat shaming is wrong, yet I see on Facebook were you are calling fit(not anorexic, I mean women who actually worked out and became fit) women, skin and bones and claiming only dogs go for them. You got no problem posting shit to boost your ego, but when someone calls you out you pull the "Stop shaming me!" card and play a fucking victim. If you want to balloon up to 500 pounds, go right ahead, but don't try to tell me to accept your warped world view full of double standards.

[QUOTE=Pilot1215;48523654]Nothing is healthy and beautiful about being obese. Medical conditions are a cause that can't exactly be fixed, least not by normal ways, but this comment is going to refer to those who are just lazy and refuse to accept the truth. You are unhealthy, you are not beautiful for making yourself overweight and then attempting to make others accept you. You are free to do what you want, but that is something that needs to be realized. Now if an actual medical professional tells you that you healthy, then chances are, you're healthy. I am tired of obese women skinny shaming non obese women, that shit is one hell of a double standard. Seriously, you claim that fat shaming is wrong, yet I see on Facebook were you are calling fit(not anorexic, I mean women who actually worked out and became fit) women, skin and bones and claiming only dogs go for them. You got no problem posting shit to boost your ego, but when someone calls you out you pull the "Stop shaming me!" card and play a fucking victim. If you want to balloon up to 500 pounds, go right ahead, but don't try to tell me to accept your warped world view full of double standards.[/QUOTE] You have a good point, but who exactly are you arguing against?

[QUOTE=AbioFlesh;48523863]You have a good point, but who exactly are you arguing against?[/QUOTE] No one?

[QUOTE=AbioFlesh;48523863]You have a good point, but who exactly are you arguing against?[/QUOTE] Does he need to argue against someone? Can he not state his opinion without having to reply to someone else?

[QUOTE=itisjuly;48523570]What sort of deep and meaningful message did I not understand from this "campaign"?[/QUOTE] [quote]Probably because to anorexic/bulemic people, skinny and fit most likely look the same so it would really make no difference to them. They need to be given exaggerated examples if they're to take notice. As was said earlier, it's not saying "Hey you should look like this", it's more like "Hey look, this is the average body and you're much thinner than that so you don't need to starve yourself."[/quote] This, you know, the post you quoted but apparently didn't read. [QUOTE=itisjuly;48523570]Where did I say it does not work? Why are you saying I said what I didn't? [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=itisjuly;48517315]When it comes to mental illness, context won't change much.[/QUOTE] What was your point here then?

i thought fattys where supposed to be happy? Now they're trying to start shit all over the place instead of eating some pizza with me. :cry:

[QUOTE=Eluveitie;48523972]Does he need to argue against someone? Can he not state his opinion without having to reply to someone else?[/QUOTE] I'm saying this because his/her statement is pretty irrelevant to the overall thread.

[QUOTE=RichyZ;48523988]not exactly an opinion to say obesity isn't healthy, and if it is, he's not the first, second, third, or fourth in the thread to say it[/QUOTE] Damn I didn't know the fifth time something was said it became invalid. [editline]23rd August 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=AbioFlesh;48524004]I'm saying this because his/her statement is pretty irrelevant to the overall thread.[/QUOTE] No it's not

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[QUOTE=Jimesu_Evil;48523978]What was your point here then?[/QUOTE] The point is that a person with eating disorder won't look at these pics ago "hmm okay guess I can fatten up". It's like showing a depressed person cheery images of puppies, expecting them to be cured of depression. What if it has the opposite effect? What if they see fat people and think "I'm so weird and skinny, I'm worthless..." ? When it comes to mental illness, it should be dealt by professionals, not some dumb campaigns on the internet photoshopping characters to be fat. If anything, they are risking a lot of bad things happening when they target people with such disorders. You are still yet to explain what I missed/didn't understand about that crappy campaign. What's the deep message there?

[QUOTE=Crimor;48517134][t]http://i.imgur.com/ZvLd5Ie.jpg[/t] Is the one on the right look like an average 5' 2" tall 15 year old girl in your country? If so your country has bigger problems than bulimia.[/QUOTE] The problem with this program was the idea. Bulimia is obviously bad but so is being overweight. Instead trying to celebrate obesity it should have focused more on promoting healthier ways to lose weight.

[QUOTE=Eluveitie;48524020]Damn I didn't know the fifth time something was said it became invalid. [editline]23rd August 2015[/editline] No it's not[/QUOTE] If so care to tell me how? The topic had very little to do with arguing that being fat is healthy/unhealthy or about how anti-fat-shaming is hypocritical and more about the backlash of the 4chan project.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;48524043]It's like showing a depressed person cheery images of puppies, expecting them to be cured of depression. What if it has the opposite effect? What if they see fat people and think "I'm so weird and skinny, I'm worthless..." ? [/QUOTE] By this sort of logic we shouldn't have images on skinny people on the internet because it might make someone that's fat feel worthless. What if a picture of a fat person makes a skinny person think they are fat and worthless? What if a picture of a rich person makes a poor person feel worthless. What if a picture of a rich person makes another rich person envious. Perhaps we need to stop trying to micromanage the experience of every single person on the internet.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;48524043]The point is that a person with eating disorder won't look at these pics ago "hmm okay guess I can fatten up".[/quote] How the fuck do you know that? Seriously, are [i]you[/i] an expert on eating disorders? Are you a doctor? [quote]When it comes to mental illness, it should be dealt by professionals, not some dumb campaigns on the internet photoshopping characters to be fat. If anything, they are risking a lot of bad things happening when they target people with such disorders.[/QUOTE] The campaign [i]was made by professionals[/i], people who understand eating disorders a shitload better than you and everyone else getting all pissed off do. It's not some dumb tumblr campaign like everybody seems to think.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;48524043]The point is that a person with eating disorder won't look at these pics ago "hmm okay guess I can fatten up". It's like showing a depressed person cheery images of puppies, expecting them to be cured of depression. What if it has the opposite effect? What if they see fat people and think "I'm so weird and skinny, I'm worthless..." ? You are still yet to explain what I missed/didn't understand about that crappy campaign. What's the deep message there?[/QUOTE] No, the point is that the way people are portrayed in the media as stupidly beautiful and skinny is a contributing factor to the abundance of bulimia. Everyone's going on about how wrong the images that were shopped look, but come on, look at them before they were shopped. They look fucking stupid. Over the top skinny. They're not thinking anyone's just going to look at the pictures and everything will be okay, they're saying to everyone else, look how stupidly over the top beautiful and perfectly formed characters are in the media, shouldn't we be portraying our characters more like they are in the real world to avoid the constant feeling of physical inadequacy that contributes to bulimia. [quote]When it comes to mental illness, it should be dealt by professionals, not some dumb campaigns on the internet photoshopping characters to be fat. If anything, they are risking a lot of bad things happening when they target people with such disorders.[/quote] What, you mean like project fucking harpoon targets people with eating disorders? The difference is with project harpoon it's just people out for a cheap laugh

[QUOTE=CrumbleShake;48524789]No, the point is that the way people are portrayed in the media as stupidly beautiful and skinny is a contributing factor to the abundance of bulimia. Everyone's going on about how wrong the images that were shopped look, but come on, look at them before they were shopped. They look fucking stupid. Over the top skinny. [/QUOTE] If that was the case, surely we'd have more skinny people, instead we get fat people on the rise. [editline]23rd August 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Jimesu_Evil;48524105]How the fuck do you know that? Seriously, are [i]you[/i] an expert on eating disorders? Are you a doctor? [/QUOTE]Are you? [QUOTE=Jimesu_Evil;48524105] The campaign [i]was made by professionals[/i], people who understand eating disorders a shitload better than you and everyone else getting all pissed off do. It's not some dumb tumblr campaign like everybody seems to think.[/QUOTE]The campaign to photoshop videogame women to look fat was made by professionals? Really? That's quite a dumb campaign for professionals to make. Can I have a source?

[QUOTE=Thlis;48524089]By this sort of logic we shouldn't have images on skinny people on the internet because it might make someone that's fat feel worthless. What if a picture of a fat person makes a skinny person think they are fat and worthless? What if a picture of a rich person makes a poor person feel worthless. What if a picture of a rich person makes another rich person envious. Perhaps we need to stop trying to micromanage the experience of every single person on the internet.[/QUOTE] The point is we need to show variation. We can't have all our celebrities and video game heroes and TV characters and loads of our cultural icons in the media be the same beautiful skinny perfection. [editline]23rd August 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=itisjuly;48524803]If that was the case, surely we'd have more skinny people, instead we get fat people on the rise.[/quote] Different people have different susceptibilities to different illnesses depending on different circumstances. Not everyone who fights in a war will develop PTSD. Not everyone exposed to a lifetime of stupidly unrealistic body images being perpetuated as the norm will develop bulimia, it is an extreme condition after all. Yet most people, even those who are average or underweight, are unhappy with their bodies and that's bad. [quote]The campaign to photoshop videogame women to look fat was made by professionals? Really? That's quite a dumb campaign for professionals to make. Can I have a source?[/QUOTE] Why is it that people can't accept that other people who are actual professionals might know better than them and their ill informed, knee-jerk reactions to things? Is it a Dunning-Kruger thing? It was done by Bulimia.com, a professional support group run by mental health professionals. Here's the explanation to it in their words: [quote]The difference between the original video game heroines and their more realistic interpretations is hardly subtle. In these images, unfeasible waistlines expand and arms and legs grow wider. Perhaps the changes are especially noticeable since most of these characters are so scarcely dressed. Video game designers and their companies have complete control over the female bodies in their games. So why is it they so often opt to make these characters into unrealistically idealized versions of their human counterparts? What are the consequences of such interpretations? [b]The perpetuation of unrealistic body imagery in the media can have decidedly negative repercussions. One could argue that the social pressures to obtain perfection are reinforced even through the depiction of video game characters. Girl gamers – especially young ones – could develop a skewed image of how the female body should look. This might mark the beginning of obsessive thoughts about their own bodies, and self-questioning as to why they don’t align with their perceived ideal.[/b] When dangerous, compulsive eating behaviors develop alongside of these negative obsessions, young women can quickly find themselves struggling with an eating disorder. Whether it’s the drastic restrictions in food intake seen in anorexia, or the relentless purge behaviors of bulimia, all types of eating disorder are tragic end-points potentially exacerbated by body image issues.[/quote] [url=http://www.bulimia.com/examine/video-games-realistic-body-types/]source[/url] [url=http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/body-measurements.htm]this is the data they used for the proportions on the photoshops.[/url] It's not the best data to use since most characters could be seen as under 20, but they're using hard data nonetheless.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;48524043]The point is that a person with eating disorder won't look at these pics ago "hmm okay guess I can fatten up". It's like showing a depressed person cheery images of puppies, expecting them to be cured of depression. What if it has the opposite effect? What if they see fat people and think "I'm so weird and skinny, I'm worthless..." ? When it comes to mental illness, it should be dealt by professionals, not some dumb campaigns on the internet photoshopping characters to be fat. If anything, they are risking a lot of bad things happening when they target people with such disorders. You are still yet to explain what I missed/didn't understand about that crappy campaign. What's the deep message there?[/QUOTE] This was done by a support group that has resources like therapists [url]http://www.bulimia.com/[/url] Do u even know what you're talking about, because I'm pretty sure the people who's work and job is dedicated to helping people overcome these mental illnesses have a better understanding of this than some angry facepunch poster on "what works and what doesn't"

Can't we all just agree that fat people are unhealthy, but shaming isn't the path towards healthiness for them?

[QUOTE=Aldawolf;48525125]This was done by a support group that has resources like therapists [url]http://www.bulimia.com/[/url] Do u even know what you're talking about, because I'm pretty sure the people who's work and job is dedicated to helping people overcome these mental illnesses have a better understanding of this than some angry facepunch poster on "what works and what doesn't"[/QUOTE] Because support groups with resources have never done anything wrong?

[QUOTE=Jimesu_Evil;48524105]How the fuck do you know that? Seriously, are [i]you[/i] an expert on eating disorders? Are you a doctor?[/QUOTE] I am 47kg 180cm and if anything those make me just realize more and more how abnormal/freak/etc I am. But then again I don't have any eating disorder so I guess I can't defend what itisjuly said.

[QUOTE=itisjuly;48525163]Because support groups with resources have never done anything wrong?[/QUOTE] Because your /pol/ tier feelings clearly mean more when you haven't even brought up any reasons why besides "I think its dumb!!!!!"

[QUOTE=Aldawolf;48525571]Because your /pol/ tier feelings clearly mean more when you haven't even brought up any reasons why besides "I think its dumb!!!!!"[/QUOTE] Im not on either side here but saying that a site with links to resources and centers and a help hotline qualify these people as 'professionals' who have more of a say than others is stupidly silly. I can't find any kinds of credentials for any part of bulemia.com that shows them to be reputable professionals.

[QUOTE=Aldawolf;48525571]you haven't even brought up any reasons why besides "I think its dumb!!!!!"[/QUOTE]And this is why arguing is pointless, no one bothers to read anything.