Unbelievable: US calls Israel to investigate into its own crime (Flotilla) - Polidicks

[QUOTE=johnlukeg;22362895]What, you're supposed to go say hello and find out if the guy shooting at you intends to actually hit you with those bullets? Anyway, I'm more inclined to believe the people on board than the commandos who destroyed all of their video evidence besides a five minute clip.[/QUOTE] What about the video that shows said commandos roping down with pepperball guns. Gonna see if he actually intends to hit you with those non-lethal pepperballs? Cause that would like, totally suck for a few minutes. [editline]02:03AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Chippay;22362913]cool, thanks foe doing exactly what i said and disregarding every link. it's satisfying to see someone just end up with 'um no that's wrong.' as an argument. it puts a smile on my face to destroy someone's argument that bad. and is that picture supposed to mean something to me? or is it just an excuse for you to ditch the burning ship you call an argument?[/QUOTE] Really, I disregarded it? No, learn to read.

[QUOTE=CriticalThought;22362827][I] :kill a large number of people indiscriminately; "The Hutus massacred the Tutsis in Rwanda" [/I] Hardly describe as defending oneself against a murderous mob as a massacre. And don't try to argue the mob wasn't murderous. When you stab someone in the chest, you are murderous, when you throw someone over a high ledge onto their head, you are murderous, and you surround a fallen person and mercilessly beat down on them, you are murderous.[/QUOTE] They weren't murderous, it was self-defense. If someone were to approach me on the street with a gun, I would arm myself with a knife or a rock or anything I could get my hands on. When someone points a gun at me, yes, I'd probably stab them in the chest or throw them over a ledge. That's because I'm human and react to the fear of my life being taken away; I assume all the men and women on the ship were also human? There are basically 3 things you can do in that kind of situation: fight back, surrender, or run away. They couldn't exactly run away, now could they?

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[QUOTE=Chippay;22362884]what makes me think they would be shot? because they were, silly! [url]http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jun/01/gaza-flotilla-eyewitness-accounts-gunfire[/url] i'll save myself the trouble of posting additional links, since the batch i posted less than 10 posts above you went unread by you[/QUOTE] I meant when they pulled over and surrendered, they would be slaughtered. They aren't going to stop them and if they wanted to kill them, they are certainly going to do it after being attacked. Fighting back served no purpose but to provoke them and get some martyrs. I read that Haretz article, a heartfelt account from an activist is really a good way to judge the situation. Let's ask the family of someone murdered how big of deal it is, they won't be emotionaly biased at all.

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[QUOTE=Ultra Violence;22362937]They weren't murderous, it was self-defense. If someone were to approach me on the street with a gun, I would arm myself with a knife or a rock or anything I could get my hands on. When someone points a gun at me, yes, I'd probably stab them in the chest or throw them over a ledge. That's because I'm human and react to the fear of my life being taken away; I assume all the men and women on the ship were also human? There are basically 3 things you can do in that kind of situation: fight back, surrender, or run away. They couldn't exactly run away, now could they?[/QUOTE] Why the fuck would a humanitarian aid mission fight back? Christ.

[QUOTE=Chippay;22362939]maybe because they [B]didn't? [/B]are you really this daft?[/QUOTE] Guess you are too lazy to watch video evidence then and would rather take it on Ahmed's word, I heard he was an honest guy too. [editline]02:06AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Chippay;22362954]cool, more dodging the point. you didn't say shit, you asked for links, i gave them and your response is 'nope not good enough' you got nothing, and that's why you're resorting to idiotic pictures you found on a google image search[/QUOTE] So uh, what good were they? It was some guy making a claim with no backing. Also I've had that pic saved for a long time waiting for you again.

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[QUOTE=Ultra Violence;22362937]They weren't murderous, it was self-defense. If someone were to approach me on the street with a gun, I would arm myself with a knife or a rock or anything I could get my hands on. When someone points a gun at me, yes, I'd probably stab them in the chest or throw them over a ledge. That's because I'm human and react to the fear of my life being taken away; I assume all the men and women on the ship were also human? There are basically 3 things you can do in that kind of situation: fight back, surrender, or run away. They couldn't exactly run away, now could they?[/QUOTE] Your name really explains that. Most people with a self-preserving instinct wouldn't attack someone who already had the upper hand and was ready to kill you. Surrender is a good option, especially when there are several of them all pointing guns at you telling you to surrender.

I'd also like to point out that the person claiming the IDF attacked first also stated that she hid in the bathroom the entire time. Hah. [editline]02:09AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Chippay;22362989]why do i even bother? this is like talking to a brick wall i also love the fact you're labeling everyone on the ships as arab. just come out and say it. you can't trust those god damn arabs cause they worship mooohaamad and bombed the wtc![/QUOTE] I never did that actually, please point out where I did.

The video you keep citing is cut to start during the fight. Can't you see how it's impossible for it to prove that anyone attacked first?

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[QUOTE=johnlukeg;22363004]The video you keep citing is cut to start during the fight. Can't you see how it's impossible for it to prove that anyone attacked first?[/QUOTE] Video isn't meant to say whether IDF shot first or not, is to prove that the activist did indeed attack the IDF.

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[QUOTE=Chippay;22363015]people who were actually at a scene - apparently have no backing on what they saw - quote by a complete idiot and haha, really? you saved a picture from google image search for months on the vague chance i would call you out on your bullshit again? i'm flattered. it would make my night if you told me why you have a random picture saved on your harddrive just on the off chance that i grace you with a post[/QUOTE] Translation: people with an agenda have an agenda, and apparently they didn't see shit but a toilet and a wall Also no, just a bookmark I had forgotten about until now.

[QUOTE=CriticalThought;22362998]I'd also like to point out that the person claiming the IDF attacked first also stated that she hid in the bathroom the entire time. Hah. [editline]02:09AM[/editline] I never did that actually, please point out where I did.[/QUOTE] Yes, the one person saying that Israel attacked first. The one multiple people.

[QUOTE=johnlukeg;22363004]The video you keep citing is cut to start during the fight. Can't you see how it's impossible for it to prove that anyone attacked first?[/QUOTE] Seems likely that the IDF still has most of the footage. Likely that they were firing warning shots and tear gas onto the boat after it refused to stop. It's a little weird that they wouldn't show it if that was the case but they are a very strange military, paranoid and racist too.

By raiding the ship, the IDF were by definition the aggressors. You can't say the activists "attacked" the IDF if they're on their own boat in international water.

[QUOTE=Chippay;22363024]the testinony of people in the links i posted amount to 'ahmed' in your ridiculous mind[/QUOTE] You mean Nilufer Cetin? "She told reporters that she and her child hid in the bathroom of their cabin during the confrontation."

[QUOTE=CriticalThought;22363026]Translation: people with an agenda have an agenda, and apparently they didn't see shit but a toilet and a wall Also no, just a bookmark I had forgotten about until now.[/QUOTE] Because they were all in that bathroom together the professor of religion, the parliamentarian, the swedish reporter, all in that bathroom together probably having dirty anti jesus sex

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Ugh, What the hell is wrong with them? This happened in International waters, not in the US, its needs to be inquired by an international commision. Starpluck, this is the news section, thus the articles should be clean of any opinion and bias. Having "unbelievable" in the thread title states your opinion and may change the opinion of others who read the topic. You can put your opinion in at the bottom.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22363029]Yes, the one person saying that Israel attacked first. The one multiple people.[/QUOTE] Multiple people who all share the same agenda? [editline]02:14AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Chippay;22363042]hahahahaha jesus christ. thanks for admitting to him what you've been denying to me. so now that you admit that your video doesn't prove that the activists attacked first, what's left? labelling them as achmed? posting another picture you've saved for months?[/QUOTE] Way to not read again, I posted the video in response to some Germans says the activists did not attack the IDF, but I guess since you don't read my posts or the news articles that "refute" them, I can't expect you to see why you are so wrong.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22363041]Because they were all in that bathroom together the professor of religion, the parliamentarian, the swedish reporter, all in that bathroom together probably having dirty anti jesus sex[/QUOTE] It was probably Muhammad sex but then it would require a 9 year old girl. There was a lot of noise going on so it's hardly credible to say they knew exactly what was happening. Loud bangs could be a number of things so saying they were deliberately shooting at people on the ship is jumping to conclusions.

[QUOTE=Devodiere;22363072]It was probably Muhammad sex but then it would require a 9 year old girl. There was a lot of noise going on so it's hardly credible to say they knew exactly what was happening. Loud bangs could be a number of things so saying they were deliberately shooting at people on the ship is jumping to conclusions.[/QUOTE] She told reporters that she and [B]her child[/B] hid in the bathroom of their cabin during the confrontation. The plot thickens

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Well the rest of the witnesses are in an Israeli prison and their recording equipment is on the bottom of the sea, so it'll be a while until we can come to a solid conclusion, I suppose.

[QUOTE=Devodiere;22363072]It was probably Muhammad sex but then it would require a 9 year old girl. There was a lot of noise going on so it's hardly credible to say they knew exactly what was happening. Loud bangs could be a number of things so saying they were deliberately shooting at people on the ship is jumping to conclusions.[/QUOTE] Once again, if the IDF were just firing warning shots and tear gas they would have released the footage already. Why not release recordings of that one specific event? It would clear up absolutely everything. Yet instead of clearing their names they've destroyed or hidden everything related to it.

[QUOTE=CriticalThought;22363047]Multiple people who all share the same agenda?[/QUOTE] Now you're getting as paranoid as the people who think Israel slaughtered 30+ and covered it up. It's possible that they did hear loud bangs but in the confusion, mistook them for shots being fired at them. I don't think they would conspire to come up with a story that wasn't true.

[QUOTE=Chippay;22363081]you've posted a video and a picture your aspergers ridden mind thought would own me in the chance i reply to you again months later. you're ridiculous but really, now that you have pretty much no argument to what i've said, answer my question. why do you have an image saved on your harddrive that you kept for months in the hopes that i would reply to you?[/QUOTE] Because in a previous thread a long time ago, I told you that everything you post reminds me of the feeling I get looking at the image. Retarded, ill-informed, douchebaggery. I don't have it "saved on my harddrive" unless you count the couple bytes the bookmark takes up. I find it funny that you say I have no argument to what you've said. I guess just more projectionism.