Unbelievable: US calls Israel to investigate into its own crime (Flotilla) - Polidicks

[QUOTE=archangel125;22322209]No, the West. Canada and Britain do the same.[/QUOTE] Australia too. Everyone forgets us.

[QUOTE=Devodiere;22363272]9 deaths, the people on board are too emotionally involved and the fallout would be far worse if they lied. It wasn't really murder either, blood is on their hands but it's not the same as a traditional murder.[/QUOTE] i've heard varying sources this claims 20, but carries a bias [url]http://www.kuna.net.kw/NewsAgenciesPublicSite/ArticleDetails.aspx?id=2090994&Language=en[/url] here's 16 [url]http://www.qnaol.net/QNAEn/News_bulletin/News/Pages/10-05-31-0927_674_0013.aspx[/url] most of the sources i can find from a google search are a few days old, and i'm too lazy to do any real research. regardless, all agree of over 60+ people being injured, which is more than bad enough

[QUOTE=Chippay;22363330]i'm too lazy to do any real research.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=CriticalThought;22363307]As far as I know, no one was hit or injured, nor was the ship damaged in any way before the IDF roped in and got mobbed. Hearing loud noises in the dark is not testimony of who shot at who first.[/QUOTE] Edited footage seems to show that some were injured before boarding but that's not very credible. Just because no-one was hurt doesn't mean they didn't fire on them, they could of missed, they could of missed intentionally, they could of fired non-lethal or tear gas, it could be anything because none of them have been disproven.

ouch, iceburn up there. someone's angry. did your tears blur the two links i posted above that?

[QUOTE=Devodiere;22363313]As I said before, assasination is probably more serious, this is not that. Provoked attacks incerdibly close to their territory is less serious than than commandos knocking off a few people nowhere near their country.[/QUOTE] I know you're being reasonable, but I don't think you have enough respect for the concept of international water. It's crucial to international relations, and even subtle differences in a situation can be very significant.

[QUOTE=Chippay;22363330]i've heard varying sources this claims 20, but carries a bias [url]http://www.kuna.net.kw/NewsAgenciesPublicSite/ArticleDetails.aspx?id=2090994&Language=en[/url] here's 16 [url]http://www.qnaol.net/QNAEn/News_bulletin/News/Pages/10-05-31-0927_674_0013.aspx[/url] most of the sources i can find from a google search are a few days old, and i'm too lazy to do any real research. regardless, all agree of over 60+ people being injured, which is more than bad enough[/QUOTE] Early reports were pretty high, they said there were leaked reports from a hospital saying 23. I don't know how many are injured but the deaths aren't much over 9, lots more recent sources say that. 1000 posts, yay!

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[QUOTE=Chippay;22363344]hahahahaha ohh this probably goes back years then. i haven't made a deal about being french in a long time on these forums. i bet you can even remember why i made a deal of it in the first place? hahaha, come on man. i'm curious. it's not like you have any dignity left to lose[/QUOTE] Actually no, and I could probably never find it with search gone, I just saw it in my bookmarks labeled chippays and remembered the reasoning for it being there. Wait, on you being french or why I saved the image? I don't remember you making a big deal out of being french, although I remember you are Quebecois or something because I think I called you french before and you denied it. [editline]02:46AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Chippay;22363402]9? i haven't heard a single report saying below 10 since the very beginning of the attack you mind posting some sources?[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/03/world/middleeast/03flotilla.html[/url] [url]http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israel-navy-commandos-gaza-flotilla-activists-tried-to-lynch-us-1.293089[/url] [url]http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/06/02/gaza.raid.activists/index.html[/url] [url]http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/aussies-out-of-israel-after-aid-clash/story-e6frfku0-1225875118311[/url]

[QUOTE=Chippay;22363402]9? i haven't heard a single report saying below 10 since the very beginning of the attack you mind posting some sources?[/QUOTE] Oops, I got confused. There were 9 turks killed and I thought that was the total, sorry. [url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/10226151.stm[/url]

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[QUOTE=Chippay;22363456]chippays? oh man this goes back pretty far and i'm sure you just stumbled upon that bookmark right as this came up god, i love this forum[/QUOTE] While scrolling to that video I posted actually [editline]02:51AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Devodiere;22363442]Oops, I got confused. There were 9 turks killed and I thought that was the total, sorry. [url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/10226151.stm[/url][/QUOTE] No, death toll is 9, pretty sure only a few are Turkish nationals

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[QUOTE=CriticalThought;22363413]Actually no, and I could probably never find it with search gone, I just saw it in my bookmarks labeled chippays and remembered the reasoning for it being there. Wait, on you being french or why I saved the image? I don't remember you making a big deal out of being french, although I remember you are Quebecois or something because I think I called you french before and you denied it. [editline]02:46AM[/editline] [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/03/world/middleeast/03flotilla.html[/url] [url]http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israel-navy-commandos-gaza-flotilla-activists-tried-to-lynch-us-1.293089[/url] [url]http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/06/02/gaza.raid.activists/index.html[/url] [url]http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/aussies-out-of-israel-after-aid-clash/story-e6frfku0-1225875118311[/url][/QUOTE] [url]http://www.facepunch.com/search.php[/url] What search is down?

[QUOTE=Chippay;22363481]god forsaken forums[/QUOTE] They are this indeed, although I believe because of people like you and you because of people like me [editline]02:56AM[/editline] [QUOTE=mobrockers;22363515][url]http://www.facepunch.com/search.php[/url] What search is down?[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.facepunch.com/search.php?do=process[/url]

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[QUOTE=Chippay;22363481]don't worry about it. regardless, even 9 people killed is far too many. this really is completely indefensible and anyone justifying it should take a long hard look at themselves[/QUOTE] I'm not saying they had to die or that their actions were justified, but this isn't as simple as blame the person with the gun, there are different degrees of murder because the circumstances around a death are just as important as the death itself. While everyone else is condemning Israel and throwing the book at them, I see it far less serious.

[QUOTE=CriticalThought;22363517]They are this indeed, although I believe because of people like you and you because of people like me [editline]02:56AM[/editline] [url]http://www.facepunch.com/search.php?do=process[/url][/QUOTE] [url]http://www.facepunch.com/search.php?searchid=2849258[/url] What?

[QUOTE=Chippay;22363535]that grudge still kicking even after you abandon your hallow shell of an argument i love it[/QUOTE] Projectionism, at the centre of my claim and delicious chocolaty video evidence plus a little nougat. [editline]02:59AM[/editline] [QUOTE=mobrockers;22363541][url]http://www.facepunch.com/search.php?searchid=2849258[/url] What?[/QUOTE] Is that titles only? Also funny that all the results are threads saying search is down

[QUOTE=CriticalThought;22363552]Projectionism, at the centre of my claim and delicious chocolaty video evidence plus a little nougat.[/QUOTE] You have nothing. Projectionism boils down to the "I know you are but what am I" argument and you have no idea how much a video can prove. In the context of the video, it proves something happened. There are numerous ways to discredit is without calling fake and you seem to think one segment of video can prove everything you say.

[QUOTE=CriticalThought;22363552]Projectionism, at the centre of my claim and delicious chocolaty video evidence plus a little nougat. [editline]02:59AM[/editline] Is that titles only? Also funny that all the results are threads saying search is down[/QUOTE] Maybe because I searched for "search is down?" :smile:

Not everything, but there is more in my shell than his Also less funny is that those threads helped me use google to the rescue [url]http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=681630&page=5[/url]

[QUOTE=CriticalThought;22363620]Not everything, but there is more in my shell than his Also less funny is that those threads helped me use google to the rescue [url]http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=681630&page=5[/url][/QUOTE] I feel ashamed that that guy is born, and lives in my country :saddowns:

Chippays predicted you getting banned for repeated stupid statements, AND YOU WERE! lol. You are still holding a grudge and you can't let go of something like that, that will never end well.

[QUOTE=mobrockers;22363650]I feel ashamed that that guy is born, and lives in my country :saddowns:[/QUOTE] I bet he feels the same about you. [editline]03:08AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Devodiere;22363662]Chippays predicted you getting banned for repeated stupid statements, AND YOU WERE! lol.[/QUOTE] Indeed I was.

The information on this event is so damn twisted and strange. Why on earth would you let Israel investigate this? I honestly don't understand.

[QUOTE=CriticalThought;22363663]I bet he feels the same about you. [editline]03:08AM[/editline] Indeed I was.[/QUOTE] Why would that jackass know who I am...

It's funny that if you go read that thread Chippays doesn't refute heatsketch's claims, and rampantly projects his own actions on heatsketch. [editline]03:18AM[/editline] [QUOTE=mobrockers;22363769]Why would that jackass know who I am...[/QUOTE] Good question, I'm sure he doesn't give a shit about you. Fuck it's past 3 I'm going to bed

[QUOTE=CriticalThought;22363663]I bet he feels the same about you. [editline]03:08AM[/editline] Indeed I was.[/QUOTE] you are an absolute riot, you know that?