12 policemen ambushed and killed, while investigating the beheadings of 10 people - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Grabigel;35221393]I don't think that you realize just how hard it is to actually become a SEAL. You need to love your country to even have a chance.[/QUOTE] also even if they did run and became impossible to find you could probably just hire someone to poke people with a stick and shoot whoever does a backflip

[QUOTE=The golden;35218538]They really need to stop fucking around with the police and courts and just call in military forces. How many innocent people do they want to die? Their current strategy is obviously not working. Why do they keep doing it?[/QUOTE] When they send in the military the cartels recruit them and get stronger.

The cartel is the scariest shit

[QUOTE=The golden;35218538]They really need to stop fucking around with the police and courts and just call in military forces. How many innocent people do they want to die? Their current strategy is obviously not working. Why do they keep doing it?[/QUOTE] They have, but desertion is actually a problem with Mexico's military.

I'm curious do we have anyone actually stationed in Mexico or are we just sending in people?

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35221162]There's a very glaringly obvious way to remove drug cartels virtually overnight. Destroy their market; legalise drugs.[/QUOTE] If anything they'll get angrier and just begin to massacre people on the streets You think that people who decapitate innocents will just go "oh no drugs are legal now time to give up"? If it was so easy they would have done it already

[QUOTE=Jund;35221856]If anything they'll get angrier and just begin to massacre people on the streets You think that people who decapitate innocents will just go "oh no drugs are legal now time to give up"?[/quote] I didn't say they were going to go "oh it's legal, lets go". I'm saying they'd lose their business. They'll die out. Without any reason to live other than trying to create a black market, which ideally they wouldn't budge, their influence would dwindle. [quote]If it was so easy they would have done it already[/QUOTE] Not really, there's a far less volatile market in the US which could be removed if you legalised cannabis.

[QUOTE=The golden;35218538]They really need to stop fucking around with the police and courts and just call in military forces. How many innocent people do they want to die? Their current strategy is obviously not working. Why do they keep doing it?[/QUOTE] They've already done that. Driving through alot of Mexico is like driving through a warzone. Military is everywhere. It's practically a civil war. The police are just as corrupt as the government and in bed with the cartels, so the military has been involved for a while now. The problem lies in the cartels' funds. With money like that, they can run the damned government. No one wants to work for the police or government to help fight dangerous killer paramilitaries, putting their lives on the line, when the opposite is to passively let them do what they do and potentially make money with it.

[QUOTE=The golden;35218538]They really need to stop fucking around with the police and courts and just call in military forces. How many innocent people do they want to die? Their current strategy is obviously not working. Why do they keep doing it?[/QUOTE] They do have military. The problem is that the military isn't trained for handling domestic investigations, they are there to try and keep order. [QUOTE=sami-pso;35218566]Would be amazing if they made all narcotics legal in Mexico. They wouldn't know what the fuck to do then.[/QUOTE] They need to be made legal in the US too. Mexico is a major part of the "drug highway" to the US. Even if Mexico made narcotics illegal, cartels would still be smuggling shit through Mexico to get to the Americans. [editline]20th March 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Jund;35221856]If anything they'll get angrier and just begin to massacre people on the streets You think that people who decapitate innocents will just go "oh no drugs are legal now time to give up"? If it was so easy they would have done it already[/QUOTE] The cartels would probably try and go legitimate. They already have the infrastructure set up to export large amounts of drugs to the US. The cartels listen to one thing: money. If the cartels can make more money by going legit then they will.

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35221903]I didn't say they were going to go "oh it's legal, lets go". I'm saying they'd lose their business. They'll die out. Without any reason to live other than trying to create a black market, which ideally they wouldn't budge, their influence would dwindle.[/QUOTE] Doing so may help a bit in places like America but the cartels control entire areas of Mexico The police and military are already powerless to stop them, nevermind their political pull they have due to corruption Even if they do die out (which they won't), at what cost would Mexico have to pay for it? The immediate blacklash would be no doubt be in the thousands

[QUOTE=Jund;35221998]Doing so may help a bit in places like America but the cartels control entire areas of Mexico The police and military are already powerless to stop them, nevermind their political pull they have due to corruption Even if they do die out (which they won't), at what cost would Mexico have to pay for it? The immediate blacklash would be no doubt be in the thousands[/QUOTE] There really isn't another way to get rid of the cartels.

Sending in the military won't make difference as the police are already very militarized as is. I remember some people being surprised a while back when a thread was posted of a police office (guarding an area) having a bandolier of rifle grenades and a M16. There is simply way too much money involved for conventional means to have any effect.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;35221953]The cartels would probably try and go legitimate. They already have the infrastructure set up to export large amounts of drugs to the US. The cartels listen to one thing: money. If the cartels can make more money by going legit then they will.[/QUOTE] I highly doubt they would agree to go under government regulation for less profit Thinking that drug cartels that terrorize the population through killing and that already have a firm grip on the police and political system of Mexico would just go legit seems overly idealistic to me

With 6 pickup trucks I would bet they were traveling in a noticeable convoy.. You have to bring your operations underground if you want to survive in that battlefield. :/

[QUOTE=yawmwen;35222008]There really isn't another way to get rid of the cartels.[/QUOTE] I'm afraid that that's a bit optimistic. The cartels bring in a lot from the softer stuff, sure, but they also make a fortune in cocaine and various other hard drugs that will never get legalised. They won't stop manufacturing all hard drugs to just make and sell cannabis legally - especially since the cash and tarrifs would cut down on income dramatically, not to mention the competition and possibility for legal liability that legitimate businesses offer. If you legalise drugs, they'll still sell them illegally, as they're not going to want to take taxes, tariffs, age restrictions, competition and decent wages for workers. They'd launch attacks against any legal competition, with the veritable armories that cartels like the Zetas have and keep on illegally smuggling drugs as it would be significantly cheaper.

[QUOTE=Terminutter;35222184]I'm afraid that that's a bit optimistic. The cartels bring in a lot from the softer stuff, sure, but they also make a fortune in cocaine and various other hard drugs that will never get legalised. They won't stop manufacturing all hard drugs to just make and sell cannabis legally - especially since the cash and tarrifs would cut down on income dramatically, not to mention the competition and possibility for legal liability that legitimate businesses offer. If you legalise drugs, they'll still sell them illegally, as they're not going to want to take taxes, tariffs, age restrictions, competition and decent wages for workers. They'd launch attacks against any legal competition, with the veritable armories that cartels like the Zetas have and keep on illegally smuggling drugs as it would be significantly cheaper.[/QUOTE] Well cocaine, methamphetamine, and heroin should all be legal anyways. Why isn't there a sprawling black market for alcohol and tobacco? Even though these two drugs are both heavily taxed, they are still more profitable to produce legitimately rather than sell them under the table. Also, when something becomes legal, people expect to be able to purchase legal products. They would rather go to a store to buy their drugs rather than deal with some shady dealer on the corner. [editline]20th March 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Jund;35222072]I highly doubt they would agree to go under government regulation for less profit Thinking that drug cartels that terrorize the population through killing and that already have a firm grip on the police and political system of Mexico would just go legit seems overly idealistic to me[/QUOTE] It's not idealistic at all. It's realism. The cartels really don't give a shit. These guys want to make money, and lots of it. Everything they do is with the purpose of securing more money. If you make it so they can pursue the money legally, they would be hard pressed not to. [editline]20th March 2012[/editline] Also, you wouldn't have to follow age restrictions or workers rights in Latin American or Asian countries. These countries have legal child labor and few workers rights protections. If you continue to produce the drugs overseas you can still make them cheap. In fact, you can make them cheaper since you don't have to hire as many soldiers to guard your factories, and pay off police to keep it from getting shut down.

[QUOTE=GunFox;35218772]...note to self: Vote to raise salary of all US special operations. Organized crime carried out by SEAL's would be...less than ideal...[/QUOTE] That's essentially what has happened in Mexico. The unit we trained received insurgency/counter-insurgency training, guerrilla warfare training; basically everything to dismantle an structured organization. However it's odd, their wikipedia page has been heavily altered. It used to listed every specialty the US Army trained them in and where they received the training(if memory serves it was Fort Benning). Not so much SEALs but if it were Green Berets defecting it would be the virtually the same.

[QUOTE=GunFox;35218772]...note to self: Vote to raise salary of all US special operations. Organized crime carried out by SEAL's would be...less than ideal...[/QUOTE] Which is the fairly docile way of saying "fucking nightmarish".

[QUOTE=Wealth + Taste;35221063]Yeah I went through a "fight the power" government-hate stage when I was a kid, too.[/QUOTE] The actual reason he's wrong is because, as previously mentioned, Mexico is one of the largest crude oil producers in the world.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;35221127]Sports obviously got him into this business, ban sports.[/QUOTE] go spurs go!

I agree with what Ogopogo said. The cops down there [i]are[/i] very militarized - even particularly the special tactical teams that were created specifically to combat the cartel. I think they just need to be more aggressive with their strategy. I know it's a lot easier said than done, but it's the truth. Legalizing the drugs won't do a thing, in my opinion. I guess I couldn't know for sure, but they'll end up finding other ways to make money. I doubt they'll legally turn to selling and distributing narcotics. There's always prostitution, hitman/assassin jobs, arms trafficking, providing illegal immigration, human trafficking (some big ones in Mexico), etc... These people are violent and they always will be. Not so optimistic, but very realistic - the only way you can change it is by putting the poor mofos at the other end of the barrel.

Mexico needs some big changes to happen.

[QUOTE=The golden;35218538]They really need to stop fucking around with the police and courts and just call in military forces. How many innocent people do they want to die? Their current strategy is obviously not working. Why do they keep doing it?[/QUOTE] Yeah, fuck due process, just kill 'em all!

They are watching this thread right now waiting for one of you to talk shit, then put a betting pool on your families head if you ever vacation to Mexico.

[QUOTE=RopaDope;35225485]They are watching this thread right now waiting for one of you to talk shit, then put a betting pool on your families head if you ever vacation to Mexico.[/QUOTE] the zetas are a bunch of pussies i take shits scarier than them

[QUOTE=sami-pso;35218566]Would be amazing if they made all narcotics legal in Mexico. They wouldn't know what the fuck to do then.[/QUOTE] They won't do that because the us is heavily invested in mexico.

Did they ever thought about using drones? I could see drones being useful for something like this. Because you can't convince a drone to switch sides.

Hmm, if we could resurrect one of the Die Hard Communists such as Lenin, Stalin, or Mao, do you think they could deal with the drug problem in Mexico?

[QUOTE=Angus725;35227914]Hmm, if we could resurrect one of the Die Hard Communists such as Lenin, Stalin, or Mao, do you think they could deal with the drug problem in Mexico?[/QUOTE] I don't know. Only one wa- Wait a second. [QUOTE=Angus725;35227914]Die Hard[/QUOTE] send in Bruce Willis

They were just doing their job :( [editline]21st March 2012[/editline] The policemen, that is