Obama: Lets Taliban In Politics; Send Just Enough Troops To Keep Enemy At Bay - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;17729458]Sounds just like how Obama bowed before a Saudi Prince. Or refused to speak to the Dalai Lama (it would upset China.)[/QUOTE] Yeah, I mean it's almost like he's going for peaceful solutions. The fuck is up with that man? [editline]11:02PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Boba_Fett;17729549]We might as well just hand over the entire region.[/QUOTE] What's with all these republicans obsessed with winning? Are you happy with destabilizing [I]another[/I] foreign country as long as you get to call yourself the best? Grow the fuck up. [editline]11:08PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Wolf_Marine;17730843]Negotiations with religious extremists terrorists will fail 10/10 times. Damn it, send one big troop surge so we got the manpower to get them secured and trained to defend themselves and so we don't have to waste more time and money than we got to.[/QUOTE] Shall we go on after that to start research on that gigantic mechanical penis you wanted? Or perhaps we can diverge some money from the education fund to painting flags on everything. Ignoring the fact that you have absolutely nothing to support what you're saying and that you have no idea of what the culture and rational they have is beyond a few scenes from Team America, tell me how you could possibly not acknowledge diplomacy when in times past if we had chosen that route instead of violence we could have saved millions of lives?

[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;17731572] What's with all these republicans obsessed with winning? Are you happy with destabilizing [I]another[/I] foreign country as long as you get to call yourself the best? Grow the fuck up. [/QUOTE] Because the point of a war is not to lose.

Didn't Pakistan try the same thing?

[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;17731793]Because the point of a war is not to lose.[/QUOTE] whoosh that's the sound of the point going over your head

WHO THE FUCK CARES ABOUT THE MIDDLE EAST?! The war in iraq/afghanistan sure as hell hasn't improved our relations with OPEC, why the fuck do it?

[QUOTE=Conscript;17732005]whoosh that's the sound of the point going over your head[/QUOTE] +1 Agree.

[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;17731572]Yeah, I mean it's almost like he's going for peaceful solutions. The fuck is up with that man? [/QUOTE] So to degrade yourself by doing something reserved for serfs to kings (bowing) will really improve relations between the United States and Saudi Arabia? Or perhaps denying who is widely regarded as, "The ambassador of peace" to speak to the president because he is afraid it will get the Chinese upset?

[QUOTE=ProboardslolV2;17732052]WHO THE FUCK CARES ABOUT THE MIDDLE EAST?! [/QUOTE] Uh Everyone with the slightest bit of understanding of the news

[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;17731793]Because the point of a war is not to lose.[/QUOTE] The point of a war is to accomplish your objective. Sometimes that can be done by 'losing' the war. Life's not a fucking playground. Things are a lot more complicated than your childish win/lose scenario.

[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;17732329]The point of a war is to accomplish your objective. Sometimes that can be done by 'losing' the war. Life's not a fucking playground. Things are a lot more complicated than your childish win/lose scenario.[/QUOTE] By accomplishing your objective, you are winning. I have a feeling he's assuming all wars are battles over entire countries, or attrition based.

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;17732151]So to degrade yourself by doing something reserved for serfs to kings (bowing) will really improve relations between the United States and Saudi Arabia? Or perhaps denying who is widely regarded as, "The ambassador of peace" to speak to the president because he is afraid it will get the Chinese upset?[/QUOTE] Oh Jesus shit people, he hardly 'bowed'. He barely even fucking nodded his head. But even if he did, yes, I do think it's important that we on some level acknowledge the importance of other countries. Especially seeing as how we've had the mindset of 'we can run the world and do whatever the fuck we want lol' for the last decade. [editline]11:49PM[/editline] [QUOTE=Canuhearme?;17732353]By accomplishing your objective, you are winning. I have a feeling he's assuming all wars are battles over entire countries, or attrition based.[/QUOTE] By "lose" I'm using his definition of "lose" which seems to be "not killing every motherfucker in a ten mile radius of the objective".

McGuffin, swearing every other word doesn't make you look tough.

[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;17732374] By "lose" I'm using his definition of "lose" which seems to be "not killing every motherfucker in a ten mile radius of the objective".[/QUOTE] How was that his definition of lose? all he said was "The point of war is not to lose".

[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;17732449]McGuffin, swearing every other word doesn't make you look tough.[/QUOTE] Hey look you dodged the point.

[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;17734328]Hey look you dodged the point.[/QUOTE] You didn't have one.

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;17732662]How was that his definition of lose? all he said was "The point of war is not to lose".[/QUOTE] He's saying we lose if we negotiate. [editline]01:52AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Boba_Fett;17734333]You didn't have one.[/QUOTE] i see so my point about how negotiation doesn't automatically mean failure wasn't a point at all shrewd argument you have there

[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;17731572] [B]What's with all these republicans obsessed with winning?[/B] Are you happy with destabilizing [I]another[/I] foreign country as long as you get to call yourself the best? Grow the fuck up. [/QUOTE] That looks pretty straight forward to me. Plus, how do you negotiate with people willing to kill themselves to kill you?

[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;17734374]That looks pretty straight forward to me. Plus, how do you negotiate with people willing to kill themselves to kill you?[/QUOTE] First you start off with the assumption that they're actual human beings. Then you make the startling discovery that the only people who are willing to kill themselves are people who are so desperate there's hardly an alternative. Then you work towards negotiating with the leaders of the extremist group to make living conditions better in the area where these extremists are coming from. Better living conditions and clear peaceful intentions means less angry ass muslims and less extremists in general. You build good will with the people and you get rid of the source of the enemy. This isn't fucking rocket science.

[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;17734445]First you start off with the assumption that they're actual human beings. Then you make the startling discovery that the only people who are willing to kill themselves are people who are so desperate there's hardly an alternative. Then you work towards negotiating with the leaders of the extremist group to make living conditions better in the area where these extremists are coming from. Better living conditions and clear peaceful intentions means less angry ass muslims and less extremists in general. You build good will with the people and you get rid of the source of the enemy. This isn't fucking rocket science.[/QUOTE] That's great and all, but we're talking about real life.

John Howard (former Aussie prime minister) didn't bend over for China. He didn't want to see the Dalai Lama for other reasons, and then heard that China would be pissed if Howard had seen the Dalai Lama, so he went and saw him just to piss off China.

[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;17734570]That's great and all, but we're talking about real life.[/QUOTE] That's what I'm talking about. You're talking about a bunch of half-vegetable towel heads in the desert shouting "durka durka Mohammad jihad".

[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;17734815]That's what I'm talking about. You're talking about a bunch of half-vegetable towel heads in the desert shouting "durka durka Mohammad jihad".[/QUOTE] Only in a perfect world.

[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;17734907]Only in a perfect world.[/QUOTE] Your perfect world. A world in which retarded decisions are good and consequences don't exist.

I would call you ignorant, but that word is overused these days. You have the idea we can get along with religious extremists. Extremists. The people who use women and children to bomb our soldiers.

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[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;17735008]I would call you ignorant, but that word is overused these days. You have the idea we can get along with religious extremists. Extremists. The people who use children and women to bomb our soldiers.[/QUOTE] Once again the only world in which your ideas work is a world in which extremists aren't people. Don't you find it odd that extremists are bred by poor living conditions and a history of violence and hatred? Would you say that's simply a coincidence? If not, how could you say getting rid of those poor living conditions would do nothing? And I'm not talking about living with extremists. I'm talking about removing the extremism.

[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;17735085]Once again the only world in which your ideas work is a world in which extremists aren't people. Don't you find it odd that extremists are bred by poor living conditions and a history of violence and hatred? Would you say that's simply a coincidence? If not, how could you say getting rid of those poor living conditions would do nothing? And I'm not talking about living with extremists. I'm talking about removing the extremism.[/QUOTE] Much easier said than done.

[QUOTE=Boba_Fett;17735135]Much easier said than done.[/QUOTE] Yeah, most thing that require work do in fact require work. But irregardless, are you conceding that extremists are in fact people, and are bred by poor living conditions that can be corrected?

Mcguffin, you fall flat when you fail to realize that the extremist leaders don't [i]want[/i] to negotiate.

[QUOTE=Mr. Mcguffin;17735173]Yeah, most thing that require work do in fact require work. But irregardless, are you conceding that extremists are in fact people, and are bred by poor living conditions that can be corrected?[/QUOTE] They are people. They can think and act for themselves. But, they've been told America is terrible. We could waste billions of dollars to try and convince these people otherwise, but they would reject it. Our soldiers would get slaughtered trying to help the people, and they would use it as propaganda. Their leaders would convince them that they would rather die than receive help from western "Imperialist" powers. It's ethnic nationalism at its best.