[QUOTE=The golden;33674457]Why do we need all this high-tech bullshit when [B]a simple water cannon[/B] can clear an area of rioters and put out any fires they start at the same time.[/QUOTE]
even that can injure protesters eyes pretty badly:
[URL="http://www.welt.de/multimedia/archive/01222/stuttgart21_verlet_1222850a.jpg"][NSFW IMAGE shows protester with bleeding eyes][/URL]
Story behind it: [url]http://www.thelocal.de/national/20101006-30295.html[/url]
The way I see this being used is to stun people from afar, probably from a concealed position, not in close range to deter waves of protesters. You'd all be surprised on the amount of people who fail to bring any sort of protection against crowd deterrents no matter how obvious it gets that they will be used, so it'll probably have a good degree of efficacy. Besides, it's slightly more humane than the microwave thing that gives you headaches.
It might be just me but all these "non lethal" weapons sound even more brutal and barbaric than regular deathly weapons.
Bean-bags ? Can break your ribs
Heat ray ? Can burn you to the ground
Tazer ? At best you're pissing yourself, at worst you die of a heart attack
Ultra-sound ? Can make you deaf
i love how police always come up with new "nonviolent" methods of riot deterrence that can cause serious permanent damage to sensitive parts of people's bodies.
[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;33674219]Wasn't the U.S trying to make some sort of Microwave turret that gives people sunburns and deters them?
[editline]11th December 2011[/editline]
[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Denial_System"]Here we go[/URL][/QUOTE]
They have been for a while, it seems to be pretty effective.
[QUOTE=Jsm;33676079]They have been for a while, it seems to be pretty effective.[/QUOTE]
It does its job at pushing people away, but the problem is in a riot there's always a high chance that if you force everyone to go away from a certain spot, one or two poor guys will end up stuck in the spot they're supposed to run away from because they would be stunned and would get a lot of damage.
[QUOTE=UN Protocol on Blinding Laser Weapons]It is prohibited to employ laser weapons specifically designed, as their sole combat function or as one of their combat functions, to cause permanent blindness to unenhanced vision, that is to the naked eye or to the eye with corrective eyesight devices.
[/QUOTE]
So, what, they're hoping to split hairs on what "permanent" blindness is? If they make it weak enough to avoid falling under this, it'll be useless, strong enough to and they've got other problems.
could someone tell me why the geneva conventions don't apply to the police?
I hope they point it in the wrong direction like the NYPD did with that LRAD
[QUOTE=Biotoxsin;33673796][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655261/auto-darkening-welding-helmet-368766.jpg[/img]
Autodarkening welding helmet, conceals identity fairly well and shields the eyes[/QUOTE]
Won't be able to see shit though.
How about a gun that launches soft cushions, Motivational posters and emits calming sentences that reassure the rioters about themselves?
[QUOTE=Biotoxsin;33673796][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655261/auto-darkening-welding-helmet-368766.jpg[/img]
Autodarkening welding helmet, conceals identity fairly well and shields the eyes[/QUOTE]
Got a 3m Speedglas helmet with a respirator also for when they try and gas you, they're pretty much designed for the future of rioting.
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;33672040]What if protestors bring mirrors?[/QUOTE]
That would just be the best thing ever. Rave riots in the streets of England.
Considering the 'protests' the UK had this year, I'd say this is not as harsh as it could be.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;33675870]It might be just me but all these "non lethal" weapons sound even more brutal and barbaric than regular deathly weapons.
Bean-bags ? Can break your ribs
Heat ray ? Can burn you to the ground
Tazer ? At best you're pissing yourself, at worst you die of a heart attack
Ultra-sound ? Can make you deaf[/QUOTE]
Bullet ? Stops you dead in your tracts, neutralizes threat.
Hey, if you don't like the non lethal weapons available, they can always go back to the lethal ones, hell of a lot cheaper.
A weapon is a weapon, the sole purpose is to cause pain to a person, honestly cops in most countries don't just walk around and pop you with a beanbag cause it's that time of the day (US excluded, people there just seem to enjoy causing pain). Chances are that if they are tazing you or shooting you with a bean bag, you probably had it coming and be happy your not having a doctor pull little pieces of lead out of your corpse.
[QUOTE=.FLAP.JACK.DAN.;33679947]Won't be able to see shit though.[/QUOTE]
Automatically darkens. If the visor goes black, turn around and you'll be able to see again.
Looking through them before they darken is still kind of annoying but you can get ones with a really large visor so it wouldn't be all that different from sunglasses.
[QUOTE=Gundevil;33683301]Considering the 'protests' the UK had this year, I'd say this is not as harsh as it could be.
Bullet ? Stops you dead in your tracts, neutralizes threat.
Hey, if you don't like the non lethal weapons available, they can always go back to the lethal ones, hell of a lot cheaper.
A weapon is a weapon, the sole purpose is to cause pain to a person, honestly cops in most countries don't just walk around and pop you with a beanbag cause it's that time of the day (US excluded, people there just seem to enjoy causing pain). Chances are that if they are tazing you or shooting you with a bean bag, you probably had it coming and be happy your not having a doctor pull little pieces of lead out of your corpse.[/QUOTE]
'chances are' and 'probably' isn't good enough when we're talking about people in a position of authority using force on civilians.
[QUOTE=Biotoxsin;33673796][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655261/auto-darkening-welding-helmet-368766.jpg[/img]
Autodarkening welding helmet, conceals identity fairly well and shields the eyes[/QUOTE]
Get some body armor for riding a motorbike with that and you'll be a genuine space marine.
If only I could be so...
[img]http://i.imgur.com/YFgFC.jpg[/img]
Grossly Incandescant
Oh my god. One of the first examples of hand held laser based weaponry and you are all bitching about it being unethical. Did none of you have childhoods?
[QUOTE=squids_eye;33684774]Oh my god. One of the first examples of hand held laser based weaponry and you are all bitching about it being unethical. Did none of you have childhoods?[/QUOTE]
Just because I thought GI Joe was awesome didn't mean I wanted to have a career killing people.
[QUOTE=Cone;33684792]Just because I thought GI Joe was awesome didn't mean I wanted to have a career killing people.[/QUOTE]
That's not really the same thing. All non-lethal weapons have a chance of doing damage they aren't supposed to, why is everyone making such a fuss over this?
[QUOTE=squids_eye;33684977]That's not really the same thing. All non-lethal weapons have a chance of doing damage they aren't supposed to, why is everyone making such a fuss over this?[/QUOTE]
because the human eye is pretty sensitive and i feel like this is simply too risky to use.
[QUOTE=squids_eye;33684977]That's not really the same thing. All non-lethal weapons have a chance of doing damage they aren't supposed to, why is everyone making such a fuss over this?[/QUOTE]
I highly doubt they could develop a high powered laser that doesn't do long term damage to the cells in your eyes any time soon.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;33684987]because the human eye is pretty sensitive and i feel like this is simply too risky to use.[/QUOTE]
How is it any more risky than someone falling over after being hit by a high power stream of water and cracking their head open on a curb?
[QUOTE=Rofl my Waff;33685040]I highly doubt they could develop a high powered laser that doesn't do long term damage to the cells in your eyes any time soon.[/QUOTE]
[quote]A Home Office spokesman said scientists at its Centre for Applied Science and Technology believe the use of lasers "has merit" and that it will be piloted by at least one police force. However, they will have to be satisfied the technology does not cause long-term health damage before it can be approved by the Home Secretary. [/quote]
If that is an issue then it won't be used. Dismissing something before it's properly tested is just stupid.
[QUOTE=squids_eye;33685105]How is it any more risky than someone falling over after being hit by a high power stream of water and cracking their head open on a curb?
If that is an issue then it won't be used. Dismissing something before it's properly tested is just stupid.[/QUOTE]
ok well i guess i just don't like the thought of cops being able to blind people regardless of whether it's permanent or not!!!! and yeah i'm not really a fan of any violent methods police use to be honest.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;33685151]ok well i guess i just don't like the thought of cops being able to blind people regardless of whether it's permanent or not!!!! and yeah i'm not really a fan of any violent methods police use to be honest.[/QUOTE]
It's not like it's going to be standard issue. It will probably only be brought out in riots and will probably need approval before being used like with rubber bullets. Not only that but it's faster than having riot hoses because we wouldn't have to borrow them from Ireland whenever we needed them.
[QUOTE=Gundevil;33683301]Considering the 'protests' the UK had this year, I'd say this is not as harsh as it could be.
Bullet ? Stops you dead in your tracts, neutralizes threat.
Hey, if you don't like the non lethal weapons available, they can always go back to the lethal ones, hell of a lot cheaper.
A weapon is a weapon, the sole purpose is to cause pain to a person, honestly cops in most countries don't just walk around and pop you with a beanbag cause it's that time of the day (US excluded, people there just seem to enjoy causing pain). Chances are that if they are tazing you or shooting you with a bean bag, you probably had it coming and be happy your not having a doctor pull little pieces of lead out of your corpse.[/QUOTE]
Well you know in that case you can just cut the shit with all the weapons that can kill someone or cause horrible pain with little to no effort from the weapon holder and go back to a riot shield with a nightstick, because at least in these cases it's much harder to actually kill a person, as the strength required to do so is much superior to, say, having to press a button to burn someone to the ground.
[QUOTE=Biotoxsin;33673796][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3655261/auto-darkening-welding-helmet-368766.jpg[/img]
Autodarkening welding helmet, conceals identity fairly well and shields the eyes[/QUOTE]
Hopefully they have a ton of these + all have big mirrors
shine every mirror to the light, causing an infinite look of light being shined back and forth between the source, thus, making it explode and killing all its operators.
the perfect plan!!!
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