illegal immigrant sues sherrif and wins, also demands legal satus. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Sottalytober;31867403]I do have the right to say whatever I like...it's called freedom of speech. And it's not like I'm raging, he's just a neckbeard dipshit who thinks communism is "sooo cool it's like stalker omg". The end.[/QUOTE] Freedom of speech does not and never has applied on the internet. The internet is in essence fascism. Everything is controlled by the people who run the site you're on. [QUOTE=Sottalytober;31867444]no...i'm pretty sure it is[/QUOTE] Wrong.

[QUOTE=Sottalytober;31867444]no...i'm pretty sure it is[/QUOTE] For the sake of this argument, let's say I call you a "faggot nigger". I'd get banned, wouldn't I? [editline]21st August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Coon;31867454]The internet is in essence fascism.[/QUOTE] Not quite.

[QUOTE=Laferio;31864686]What can't people attempt to become a legal US citizen (Not saying that people don't try). I mean seriously, its one test. Aswell as other things.[/QUOTE] You wouldn't know would you? It cost me and my family thousands of dollars to apply and it took us years just to wait for the results. We have JOBS and BILLS to pay as we are tax paying Americans. Please leave uneducated statements out please.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31867464]For the sake of this argument, let's say I call you a "faggot nigger". I'd get banned, wouldn't I?[/QUOTE] In all fairness if you said that off the internet (and it got reported) you could get arrested/warned/sued for defamation and/or racism.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31867464]For the sake of this argument, let's say I call you a "faggot nigger". I'd get banned, wouldn't I? [editline]21st August 2011[/editline] Not quite.[/QUOTE] Yes indeed you would, because that is a rule set by Garry. However it's not a rule to be able to call someone a dipshit. Now then, this thread has become incredibly off-topic. So...Let's fix that. She has her rights as a human, but she's taking it too far going after citizenship.

Human rights violation or not she still doesn't belong in the country until she pursues a legal option.

[QUOTE=CoolHandLuke;31866860]I don't see why would anyone would want to come to this country called the USA, I live there yes. but I don't think my country should get any respect FROM anyone, and the military is a fail aswell. Let me explain why. Did we save the 6,000,000 Jews from dying at the hands of Hitler? No. [b]Eisenhower and Patton just took there fucking marry time instead of getting the airforce to parachute in to key regions such as the netherlands and beyond[/b][/QUOTE] Look up Operation Market Garden. Airborne invasion that failed due to strong resistance. AND IT WAS IN THE NETHERLANDS. lrn2history

[QUOTE=Sottalytober;31867509]She has her rights as a human, but she's taking it too far going after citizenship.[/QUOTE] I'll say it one more time: [QUOTE=Megafanx13;31867331]I've said it at least three times now, and I'll say it again. A crime was committed against her, making her eligible for the U-Visa. You have to wait until she's either approved or denied before you deport her.[/QUOTE] [editline]21st August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=CommieTurtle;31867522]Human rights violation or not she still doesn't belong in the country until she pursues a legal option.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Megafanx13;31867331]I've said it at least three times now, and I'll say it again. A crime was committed against her, making her eligible for the U-Visa. You have to wait until she's either approved or denied before you deport her.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=CoolHandLuke;31866860]I don't see why would anyone would want to come to this country called the USA, I live there yes. but I don't think my country should get any respect FROM anyone, and the military is a fail aswell. Let me explain why. Did we save the 6,000,000 Jews from dying at the hands of Hitler? No. Eisenhower and Patton just took there fucking marry time instead of getting the airforce to parachute in to key regions such as the netherlands and beyond. In this case, we are not so-called "liberators", we are invaders. We didn't save no-one, the army who our countrys people trust the most, let them die instead of trying to save them. Did we save the thousands, maybe millions of americans who died at Pearl Harbor? No. We had prior warning and we just let them hit us, just so we could join the war, and do terribly at it aswell. In my opinion, This country is fucking stupid as-hell, And we deserve the debit, and many other things.[/QUOTE] But you're just wrong. The military didn't even know concentration camps existed until they started finding them. We didn't invade because we were specifically asked by those occupied countries for help. I seriously doubt there were even millions of people living on the Hawaiian Islands at the time of Pearl Harbor. Our prior warning was literally just a couple hours. I'd say the US fought WW2 pretty damn well. Within 6 months of us joining the war, we had Japan on retreating across the Pacific, we were fighting our way across north Africa and were preparing to launch the invasion of Italy. The rest of your post is just you ranting. So please, tell me why your post merits any credibility. [editline]21st August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Megafanx13;31867331]I've said it at least three times now, and I'll say it again. A crime was committed against her, making her eligible for the U-Visa. You have to wait until she's either approved or denied before you deport her.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty certain those VISAs are so they can participate in the court proceedings. The trial is over. She won. She can leave now, and that VISA would be of no help to her.

[QUOTE=Megafanx13;31867550]I'll say it one more time: [editline]21st August 2011[/editline][/QUOTE] I get it, but I still don't believe it's right she shortcuts lots of people waiting to get in simply because an officer fucked up

[QUOTE=CoolHandLuke;31866860]I don't see why would anyone would want to come to this country called the USA, I live there yes. but I don't think my country should get any respect FROM anyone, and the military is a fail aswell. Let me explain why. Did we save the 6,000,000 Jews from dying at the hands of Hitler? No. Eisenhower and Patton just took there fucking marry time instead of getting the airforce to parachute in to key regions such as the netherlands and beyond. In this case, we are not so-called "liberators", we are invaders. We didn't save no-one, the army who our countrys people trust the most, let them die instead of trying to save them. Did we save the thousands, maybe millions of americans who died at Pearl Harbor? No. We had prior warning and we just let them hit us, just so we could join the war, and do terribly at it aswell. In my opinion, This country is fucking stupid as-hell, And we deserve the debit, and many other things.[/QUOTE] You are the reason why Americans think all Communists are terrorists.

[QUOTE=Ridge;31867561]I'm pretty certain those VISAs are so they can participate in the court proceedings. The trial is over. She won. She can leave now, and that VISA would be of no help to her.[/QUOTE] No, it's designed to give you temporary (and later permanent, if applicable) legal status and work eligibility for 4 years (and permanently, if applicable). Source: [url]http://www.usimmigrationsupport.org/visa-u.html[/url]

[QUOTE=Sottalytober;31867597]I get it, but I still don't believe it's right she shortcuts lots of people waiting to get in simply because an officer fucked up[/QUOTE] Again. If you let her stay in the country for a year while she gets her shit in order (tests, etc), then this pretty much ends the argument. If she gets citizenship before the year's up, then she's a citizen whoop de shit. If she doesn't, then she's illegal again. [editline]21st August 2011[/editline] besides wasn't her kid born on US soil? Making that kid a US citizen regardless of Mom's status? or am I understanding the citizenship by birth thing wrong?

[QUOTE=lavacano;31867719]besides wasn't her kid born on US soil? Making that kid a US citizen regardless of Mom's status? or am I understanding the citizenship by birth thing wrong?[/QUOTE] You'd be correct. If the child was born on US soil, it's a citizen.

[QUOTE=CoolHandLuke;31866860]I don't see why would anyone would want to come to this country called the USA, I live there yes. but I don't think my country should get any respect FROM anyone, and the military is a fail aswell. Let me explain why. Did we save the 6,000,000 Jews from dying at the hands of Hitler? [B]No. Eisenhower and Patton just took there fucking marry time instead of getting the airforce to parachute in to key regions such as the netherlands and beyond.[/B] In this case, [B]we are not so-called "liberators", we are invaders[/B]. We didn't save no-one, the army who our countrys people trust the most, let them die instead of trying to save them. [B]Did we save the thousands, maybe millions of americans who died at Pearl Harbor?[/B] No. [B]We had prior warning and we just let them hit us, just so we could join the war, and do terribly at it aswell. [/B] In my opinion, This country is fucking stupid as-hell, And we deserve the debit, and many other things.[/QUOTE] [img]http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l0mfypGxvx1qzxzwwo1_500.jpg[/img] [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Market_Garden] Oh hello paradrop on Netherlands/Germany. Which failed. (It isn't called Hell's Highway for nothing) [/url] [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_pearl_harbor]2402 KIA, 1247 WIA - Military. 57 KIA, 35 WIA - Civilian[/url] Also... It's called bad communication. The operators of the radar did not tell Kermit Tyler(communication officer) what exactly they saw. He could only predict that the 'bleep' they mentioned was just the returning squad of B-17s from San Francisco. Not to mention Kermit Tyler was a new communication officer at the time... He was still awaiting training from high command which could teach him when to call out an invasion. Not too mention... The men operating the radar were only running the radar of training mode. They were trainees as well... All this lead up too bad-calls... And the so called, "The government knew!!!" bullshit. It was locally known by the two radio operators and the one communication officer. Even if they called out everyone into battle positions it would of most likely not saved many good men/women from the inevitable. All vessels were docked, and in docking formation. Hence 'battleship row'. As for the claim of being evil invaders. You just said yourself, "We should of paradroped in the Netherlands" stop picking sides, and chose your damn argument. I'm sorry in advance to the admins who may take this as flamming, but I had to get that off my chest.

hey guys look at me typing on my computer which my parents probably paid for and i probably didn't even have to worry about immigrating to this company while i call undocumented immigrants lazy shits for trying to escape the shithole that is mexico!

[QUOTE=CSOD;31864376]The police fucked up big time, to which she was rightly compensated. However she still deserves to be deported for, now twice, illegally entering the country. Actions have consequences, I'm sorry the police abused her in such a sensitive time, but having a crime committed against you does not forgive you of your own.[/QUOTE] i agree with this post [editline]21st August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Lazor;31869358]hey guys look at me typing on my computer which my parents probably paid for and i probably didn't even have to worry about immigrating to this company while i call undocumented immigrants lazy shits for trying to escape the shithole that is mexico![/QUOTE] i definitely wouldn't call them lazy and i can sympathize with their struggle but i don't see why they should be allowed to come here illegally and collect social benefits without putting any money into the system

[QUOTE=Coon;31864896]She was there illegally, I don't see why she should have any human rights. [editline]21st August 2011[/editline] Same as I think that prisoners should lose their rights.[/QUOTE] Says the guy whose name is a racial slur against black people

She should have won, but I think $200,000 is a bit much.

[QUOTE=Pepin;31870113]She should have won, but I think $200,000 is a bit much.[/QUOTE] Since you can get sued for the same amount for pirating a single song I think it's far too low If this is the metric we'll use I think her settlement should have been several hundred trillion

This is quite the thread. Personally, the whole sue ordeal was within her rights. As a human, if someone mistreats you even if you're illegally there, that doesn't give them the right to treat you like waste. Maybe if she was some drug dealing scum that wasn't pregnant, even then, theres a proper way to treat a human regardless of their residential status and criminal charges. Be it kicking their ass if they fight or kindly escorting them off to a deportation station.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;31870133]Since you can get sued for the same amount for pirating a single song I think it's far too low If this is the metric we'll use I think her settlement should have been several hundred trillion[/QUOTE] The comparison I'm using is the amount people get who are wrongly convicted. [url=http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2011/01/04/dallas-man-declared-innocent-after-30-years-in-prison/]In this case the guy will get up to 2.4 million for 30 years in jail, or $80,000 for each year spent in jail[/url]. It doesn't make much sense for a year of jail time to be rewarded far less than quite a bad experience. I'm not at all discrediting the woman's experience, but I am saying a year of jail is worse.

[QUOTE=.FLAP.JACK.DAN.;31864333]This still doesn't look right. Don't know it's just that it seem weird to see an illegal immigrant sue a sheriff and use the money to stay in the USA.[/QUOTE] Your government assigns 3 types of rights. a) citizens only b) noncitizens only in the US c) all human beingsin the US The sheriff transgressed agaisnt a right assigned to category c). She used her category c and b rights to sue the sherif in front of a court. She won. End of story. Now about her asking for citizenship due to this - I have doubts the judge even has capacity to do so.

[QUOTE=YouWithTheFace.;31864852][url]http://reason.com/assets/db/07cf533ddb1d06350cf1ddb5942ef5ad.jpg[/url] i know its posted way to much but look at it[/QUOTE] Thanks for that! It is really an interesting read, also BTW I meant to rate you Informative not a zing. Just a BTW. I had no idea it took that long, I will definitely have a different out look on these situations from now on :smile: the process is HARSH.

[QUOTE=Singo;31864573]I failed miserably? Look at your avatar.[/QUOTE] He failed miserably? Look at your OS. you see why it's a shitty argument it's because it's incredibly unrelated and also stupid [editline]21st August 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=CoolHandLuke;31866860]I don't see why would anyone would want to come to this country called the USA, I live there yes. but I don't think my country should get any respect FROM anyone, and the military is a fail aswell. Let me explain why. Did we save the 6,000,000 Jews from dying at the hands of Hitler? No. Eisenhower and Patton just took there fucking marry time instead of getting the airforce to parachute in to key regions such as the netherlands and beyond. In this case, we are not so-called "liberators", we are invaders. We didn't save no-one, the army who our countrys people trust the most, let them die instead of trying to save them. Did we save the thousands, maybe millions of americans who died at Pearl Harbor? No. We had prior warning and we just let them hit us, just so we could join the war, and do terribly at it aswell. In my opinion, This country is fucking stupid as-hell, And we deserve the debit, and many other things.[/QUOTE] Yeah, we didn't save all the several people in camps (not just jews dipshit) from dying at Hitler's hands, but we did save a lot of people all the same, and while I may be incorrect on this, didn't we not even KNOW all these camps existed at the time? Oh and the US wasn't [B]the[/b] major power in WWII, it's not like we could have just done that shit on a whim. And no, we didn't just let Pearl Harbor be attacked so we could enter the war. [QUOTE=Cracked.com]First of all, the only reason why this rumor exists is because it was a smear used against FDR by his political opponents. The 1944 Republican nominee for president, Thomas E. Dewey, nearly made it an issue in his campaign. It was only after Army Chief of Staff General George C. Marshall explained what a dick move that would be that Dewey abandoned it. But besides that (and the complete lack of evidence for it), the whole scenario just doesn't make sense. It'd be like FDR crashing a biplane into the Hindenburg just so he could light a cigarette he had no intention of smoking. [img]http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/article/4/6/3/18463.jpg?v=1[/img] Yes, U.S. code breakers anticipated something to happen on December 7 (December 8 in Japan), but thought an attack on Pearl Harbor was unlikely since the Japanese had been staging diplomatic talks with the U.S. since late November. Only a paranoid lunatic would have anticipated that the peace talks were, in fact completely fraudulent, and that Japan had secretly deployed a strike force (under strict radio silence) right outside of Hawaii in the week before December 7. In short, American intelligence expected an attack on the Philippines, Singapore, Hong Kong, the Dutch East Indies, Midway, Wake Island or Guam if the peace talks fell through. They didn't expect Japan to attack everything on the menu including the U.S. Pacific Fleet docked at Pearl Harbor. Besides, FDR was no Dick Cheney, and selling his war against Germany was far from a sure thing, since it wasn't Nazi planes that attacked Pearl Harbor. Opposition still enjoyed the support of prominent American [del]Nazis[/del] bigwigs such as Henry Ford, and the U.S. Army was so weak at the time that they had to train with wooden guns. [img]http://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/article/4/5/2/18452.jpg?v=1[/img] Truth be told, had Hitler not declared war on the U.S. four days later, FDR would have had one hell of an uphill fight getting Americans to fight, even with Pearl Harbor. So to recap, America, the hero (actually Pippen, or possibly Rodman to Russia's Jordan) of the war, might not have joined the beloved (reviled drunk) Churchill, had it not been for the maverick decision (one of countless tactical errors) by the diabolical (borderline retarded) Hitler. Bang up job, History Channel![/QUOTE] and even going past that, you know who else didn't save all those who died at Hitler's hands? Russia didn't. Britain didn't. Canada didn't. Nobody did. Don't try to pin this shit on us because you don't like us.

Who the fuck cares if you're a person from that piece of a map or the other, you're still a human being.

My aunt was watching a show that had people speaking a few spanish words. She said: Damned illegals, get them off my TV. She watches fox news. 90% of her day.

[QUOTE=Map in a box;31872983]My aunt was watching a show that had people speaking a few spanish words. She said: Damned illegals, get them off my TV. She watches fox news. 90% of her day.[/QUOTE] Great contribution to the thread.

[QUOTE=Sottalytober;31867403]I do have the right to say whatever I like...it's called freedom of speech. And it's not like I'm raging, he's just a neckbeard dipshit who thinks communism is "sooo cool it's like stalker omg". The end. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("**Congress** shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances" - GunFox))[/highlight][/QUOTE] Good thing I'm not a part of congress, otherwise I might get in trouble!

[QUOTE=Pepin;31870287]The comparison I'm using is the amount people get who are wrongly convicted. [url=http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2011/01/04/dallas-man-declared-innocent-after-30-years-in-prison/]In this case the guy will get up to 2.4 million for 30 years in jail, or $80,000 for each year spent in jail[/url]. It doesn't make much sense for a year of jail time to be rewarded far less than quite a bad experience. I'm not at all discrediting the woman's experience, but I am saying a year of jail is worse.[/QUOTE] She was shackled all through labour, if complications arose her life and the life of the child could have been in danger. I think her settlement was fair and the settlement of the guy in that article was too low.