• CNN - Sexually explicit Japan manga evades new laws on child pornography
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hey FPS games should be banned too, right? it's murder, no matter if it's drawn/rendered or real, it's illegal.
[quote] "Actual children suffering and crying is not acceptable. But manga doesn't involve actual children. So there are no actual victims," he said. Child welfare advocates disagree. Shihoko Fujiwara runs Lighthouse, a nonprofit for exploited children. She told CNN she once worked on a case where a predator used a cartoon to convince a child that sex abuse was normal. "So the pedophiles might bring the animation and say 'this is how you practice with adults,'" she said. [/quote] This is stupid. She can't use a personal anecdote as evidence for the point she's making. edit - An example of why banning drawings is fucking stupid: I draw a sexually explicit picture of a girl with an ambiguous age getting railed from behind. I write a caption stating she's 22 years old. Not illegal. Now I rub that out, and replace it with a caption saying she's 14 years old. Suddenly that's illegal?
[QUOTE=MrEndangered;45142473]Everyone on facepunch does, sure. But they're still popular enough.[/QUOTE] yeah i guess so. i think a large part of its prevalence is the commercial appeal of something so terrible and uncomfortable that you're more or less obligated to watch it ironically with some kind of seething disgust for the people producing it, which of course makes it perfect for the outlet of reality television.
[QUOTE=reevezy67;45142551]I don't think violence in video games and sexual representations of children are the same thing. People don't look up sexually explicit loli stuff for the story or gameplay.[/QUOTE] Speak for yourself.
[video=youtube;AfSIDrMR3cw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfSIDrMR3cw[/video] [video=youtube;ADVEFWlmmUY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADVEFWlmmUY[/video]
[QUOTE=maxumym;45142595]Speak for yourself.[/QUOTE] That's what I was doing. You may be right, maybe it doesn't create more pedophiles. I can't say for sure. No one can really.
I'm not comfortable with the concept of it, but it also doesn't sit right with me that people that possess lolicon manga should be punished with the same level of severity as people who possess actual child pornography. What people get up to or off to in their own time is their own business so long as it doesn't actually harm anyone else. Going by that logic you'd have to start arresting people for viewing guro as well.
[QUOTE=Sympathy;45142597][video=youtube;AfSIDrMR3cw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AfSIDrMR3cw[/video] [video=youtube;ADVEFWlmmUY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADVEFWlmmUY[/video][/QUOTE] Those thumbnails are terrible.
[QUOTE=ironman17;45142383]Exactly. Unless it was traced or inspired by actual child abuse, it's pretty much green to go. It's still kinda dodgy in terms of morality, but it doesn't really hurt anyone other than oversensitive grognards who take things too seriously, so it's pretty much harmless. Amen to that, it's kind of an ingenious form of medication, and it'd probably be healthier than injecting yourself with a dose of "Nomolestol" to suppress the urges biochemically. It'd probably be cheaper too, since specialised pharmaceuticals can be expensive.[/QUOTE] It's the lesser of two evils I guess. They should still be seeking help on the side.
[QUOTE=reevezy67;45142611]That's what I was doing. You may be right, maybe it doesn't create more pedophiles. I can't say for sure. No one can really.[/QUOTE] It was a joke.
[QUOTE=MrEndangered;45142418]Child beauty pageants? OK. Emma Watson being discussed sexually before she was 18? Acceptable. 'Barely legal' girls in school outfits sucking lolipops? Sure why not. But oh no it's a FUCKING DRAWING? That shit is fucking destroying our nation!![/QUOTE] Child beauty pageants are so much more disturbing than hentai can ever be. Primarily because there are real goddamn children involved.
[QUOTE=ashxu;45142321]they openly admit there's no link between manga/anime and child abuse and proceed to make up "but it could happen" theories. the entire point of why cp is wrong is because there's a victim.[/QUOTE] Don't abusers use these images as part of the grooming process? I'm sure I read about that somewhere.
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;45142627]It's the lesser of two evils I guess. They should still be seeking help on the side.[/QUOTE]Define seek help.
[QUOTE=Aw3s0m3n3ss;45142228]Why did CNN censor this out I have no idea.[/QUOTE] I'd make two guesses, either they censored it to hide the name/branding, or they thought that hiding the fact they're fully clothed and suggesting the cover was sexually explicit makes it look much more evil.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;45142644]Define seek help.[/QUOTE] Psychologist, therapist, whateverist.
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;45142627]It's the lesser of two evils I guess. They should still be seeking help on the side.[/QUOTE] The problem is that paedophiles who try to seek help are often persecuted, despite having never actually committed any crime. I believe in certain parts of America, counsellors are required to inform the authorities if someone tells them they're a paedophile. This means that people end up not seeking help at all.
[QUOTE=ashxu;45142321]the entire point of why cp is wrong is because there's a victim.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=download;45142342]The whole point of banning CP is that it harms children. Drawn pictures do not, therefore it shouldn't be banned.[/QUOTE] But it's [B][I]evilâ„¢[/I][/B] !
[QUOTE=lazyguy;45142637]Don't abusers use these images as part of the grooming process? I'm sure I read about that somewhere.[/QUOTE] A woman in the article talks about one instance where a man used the images to convince a child it was normal, but that one incident doesn't mean that use of that method is widespread.
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;45142627]It's the lesser of two evils I guess. They should still be seeking help on the side.[/QUOTE] You realise that 'seeking help' for a fetish such as this has a good chance of ruining your life and there's still no guarantee that it actually works. All that for something that you could in many cases easily just keep to yourself without hurting anyone seems a bit much to me.
[QUOTE=st_nick5;45142653]The problem is that paedophiles who try to seek help are often persecuted, despite having never actually committed any crime. I believe in certain parts of America, counsellors are required to inform the authorities if someone tells them they're a paedophile. This means that people end up not seeking help at all.[/QUOTE] Too little people realise pedophile != child molester.
[QUOTE=Impulse101;45142623]Those thumbnails are terrible.[/QUOTE] It's not just the thumbnails that are terrible. The videos themselves are just awful.
[QUOTE=mrpirate;45142479]This is legal in Denmark. Even animal sex is legal, actual cp is illegal ofcause.[/QUOTE] That does seem pretty dodgy, though not necessarily for the reasons I presume most people think of. (put on your hats, it's about to get weird) To me, it seems that the main reason people are averse to the notion of sex with animals is that they aren't human, and they leave it at that. Personally I think the true reasons, the ones most don't think about normally, are a matter of mind rather than body, although depending on the creature size and anatomy are hurdles. For instance, we can't normally communicate with animals on the human level of sophistication, mostly due to wide variation in sapience (which is connected tangentially to sentience quotient) and higher brain functions, but also due to the language barrier, in that almost all animals barely even have language by any measure, only different pitches and volumes that suggest certain emotions and situations. Very primitive, and it makes it near-impossible to determine consent. And it seems that most practitioners of bestiality probably wouldn't bother much with the whole consent thing, only caring about the dogbutt. If an animal has a sentience quotient and understanding of the world that's on the level of humans, it wouldn't be too much of a problem if they expressed consent, but almost all of them don't, so even if the animal were making the first move, it would probably still be classified as statutory rape, since their minds aren't on-the-level and it could be interpreted as "seducing a minor" or something. It's a tricky topic to talk about, and there are probably individuals who know far more about the mental complexities of consenting and being truly aware of the consequences and whatnot, but there are a few animals that seem at least close to the human level yet lack proper expression and civilisation, like great apes, dolphins, even elephants from what I've seen. Another reason for the focus on mind rather than body is to possibly address the concerns of xenophilia, aka relations with non-terrestrial sapients, 'cause I daresay that if we had first contact, the common perception of bestiality being "sex with a non-human" would probably cause xenophilia to be forced under the category of bestiality by general ignorance. And calling an advanced spacefaring civilization a bunch of beasts would be a surefire way to cause a cultural-political shitstorm, not to mention unbelievably racist. Like I said, it's a can of worms and a massive minefield, these subjects. Trying to find the right reasons and cast aside the perils of simple thinking. Bestiality's pretty much a wrong thing because of issues surrounding communication and consent, but just saying "it's wrong because they're not people" is not the right way to talk about it. Most of the time it seems like it's pretty much rape, statutory or otherwise, and the more we talk about WHY it's wrong, the better for everyone to understand. The true person accepts nothing and questions everything, always working to find out the how and why. It's always nice to discuss topics that no-one else thinks too much about.
[QUOTE=download;45142342]The whole point of banning CP is that it harms children. Drawn pictures do not, therefore it shouldn't be banned.[/QUOTE] Are you guys serious?
[QUOTE=varg666;45142735]Are you guys serious?[/QUOTE] Very serious. Drawings shouldn't get you labelled a paedophile and charged with possession of child porn, as drawings are not child porn. They're drawings. Figments of someone's imagination. Making them illegal is thought crime, simple as.
[QUOTE=varg666;45142735]Are you guys serious?[/QUOTE] Nice counter-argument there.
[QUOTE=varg666;45142735]Are you guys serious?[/QUOTE] The detail you went into has left me speechless. Truly there is no better argument than this!
[QUOTE=Sympathy;45142417]It's still fucking disgusting, if not ban cp then they need to go trough rehab. People that like Lolicon are disgusting and a disgrace to our country.[/QUOTE] Amazing post/avatar combination :v:
[QUOTE=chunkymonkey;45142775]The detail went into has left me speechless. Truly there is no better argument than this![/QUOTE] He rated me dumb as well. He's obviously an expert at debating.
[QUOTE=varg666;45142735]Are you guys serious?[/QUOTE] About as not serious as this was a good counter argument.
[QUOTE=varg666;45142735]Are you guys serious?[/QUOTE] is this some kind of social experiment?
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