CNN - Sexually explicit Japan manga evades new laws on child pornography
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[QUOTE=maxumym;45142691]Too little people realise pedophile != child molester.[/QUOTE]
Barely anyone makes it in my country. I have yet to see it be brought up in conversation, ever.
[QUOTE=st_nick5;45142667]A woman in the article talks about one instance where a man used the images to convince a child it was normal, but that one incident doesn't mean that use of that method is widespread.[/QUOTE]
Still, can't anyone train children with any propaganda? If you show a child Grand Theft Auto from birth, and tell them it's what normal people do, no shit they will think it's normal. The same goes for Lolicon. If you teach a child to think it's normal, no shit they thinks it's normal.
[QUOTE=Chldnr;45142819]Still, can't anyone train children with any propaganda? If you show a child Grand Theft Auto from birth, and tell them it's what normal people do, no shit they will think it's normal. The same goes for Lolicon. If you teach a child to think it's normal, no shit they thinks it's normal.[/QUOTE]
There's a difference between using lolicon to groom a child and just getting off to lolicon itself. One is very illegal, the other is not because literally no-one has been hurt or abused in any way.
[QUOTE=D3vils Buddy;45142432]90% of FT would be gone.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Vasili;45142266]In the UK this loli shit is classified as child pornography I think.[/QUOTE]
Late, but it really should be classified as such everywhere. I mean, how could it not be considered that? And yet some places don't recognize it in that fashion.
[QUOTE=TheFifthWheel;45142884]Late, but it really should be classified as such everywhere. I mean, how could it not be considered that? And yet some places don't recognize it in that fashion.[/QUOTE]
What part of "it's a drawing" and "no real children were harmed" do you not understand?
[QUOTE=TheFifthWheel;45142884]Late, but it really should be classified as such everywhere. I mean, how could it not be considered that? And yet some places don't recognize it in that fashion.[/QUOTE]
Like I said two posts ago, mere drawings has not harmed anyone in any way shape or form, so classifying it as child porn and charging people as such for possessing it is outright thought crime.
Also here: [url]http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1402516&p=45142573&viewfull=1#post45142573[/url]
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edit - An example of why banning drawings is fucking stupid: I draw a sexually explicit picture of a girl with an ambiguous age getting railed from behind. I write a caption stating she's 22 years old. Not illegal. Now I rub that out, and replace it with a caption saying she's 14 years old. Suddenly that's illegal?
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[QUOTE=TheFifthWheel;45142884]Late, but it really should be classified as such everywhere. I mean, how could it not be considered that? And yet some places don't recognize it in that fashion.[/QUOTE]
Because an actual child isn't involved? Why is this so fucking difficult to comprehend?
[QUOTE=Aw3s0m3n3ss;45142228]Why did CNN censor this out I have no idea.[/QUOTE]
They censored it to make it look like they were naked on the front cover, or there was something else explicit going on.
[QUOTE=chunkymonkey;45142921]Because an actual child isn't involved? Why is this so fucking difficult to comprehend?[/QUOTE]
Did you know that if you're playing shooting games, you're killing actual people?
It's pretty obvious, playing shooting games trains people to shoot actual people.
Same thing with appreciating drawings of minors! It makes you want to do things to minors too!
Wake up sheeple. It's doesn't fit the arbitrary standard societal norm, therefore it's wrong!
It should be frowned upon, but being thrown in prison for anime scribbles that barely resemble a human is extremism.
[QUOTE=chunkymonkey;45142921]Why is this so fucking difficult to comprehend?[/QUOTE]
Because they're old and rotting, that's why. Capacity for learning diminishes with age, and as your brain gradually decays you start to hollow, losing your ability to truly take in the spirit of the age and further your understanding.
Combine that with conservative mindsets like "if it ain't broke don't fix it" and "do as I say, don't do as I do" and "question nothing or be cast into the darkness below", and you have a creature that hollows faster than normal and becomes stuck in their old ways out of reinforced habit. It's probably good that they'll die some day, since once they're dispersing into the earth their obsolete memetics go with them, leaving the world open for more open and progressive thinkers.
[QUOTE=wrv451nlp;45143026]It should be frowned upon, but being thrown in prison for anime scribbles that barely resemble a human is extremism.[/QUOTE]
I think the majority of the fanbase say they like it as a joke anyway.
It's just a topic within a broader topic to talk about, though more often than not, those types of characters depicted in anime are poorly written anyway.
While it makes me personally feel uncomfortable, I don't see any logical reason why it should be banned.
These laws are ridiculous. In Britain it is perfectly legal to actually have sex with a 16 year old, but if you were to draw a stick figure with an erection and label it as 17 years old you could be charged with creation of child-pornography, receive a lengthy prison sentence and then be put on the sex offenders register for the rest of your life. How could anyone possibly think that this makes sense or that this is in any way fair is beyond me. Drawings of teenagers have more legal restrictions than actual teenagers. Why?
The fact that these "child pornography" laws don't just cover children but also cover teenagers, some of which can legally have sex, compounds the absurdity of these laws.
[QUOTE=maxumym;45142501]So who made an account using a proxy?[/QUOTE]
you called?
[quote=CNN]other experts suggested children are harmed by a culture that appears to accept child sexual abuse."[/quote]
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[i]"other experts suggested children are harmed by a culture that appears to accept child sexual abuse."[/i]
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That's the old "If you don't agree with us, then you're a paedophile" argument isn't it? Isn't that what David Cameron was saying a few months back when he was pushing for internet censorship?
Why do people always make a broad generalisation when it comes to porn? "Every person who saw lolicorn must have the compulsion to touch kids!!" Just because a certain kink exists, that doesn't mean that every person who thought it was attractive doesn't feel the need to go do it in real life.
And that goes for everything in porn too.
For all you pedophiliaphobic people i will gonna put this way do you remember when almost everyone was racist towards black people
or when everybody hated gays because they thought it was morally wrong well this is kinda the same
If you wach some kind of twisted porn that that does not mean you will go crazy and start molesting or raping everyone
-snip it's late according to my timezone, I'm tired, 'nuf said. I'll come back with a better argument tomorrow, good night everyone. Also, I'm sorry for being an asshole. :X-
[QUOTE=LittleBabyman;45142798]is this some kind of social experiment?[/QUOTE]
Um, what? Why would I ever do that you.
[QUOTE=varg666;45143245]Wow, I'm speechless about this thread is full of peadophiles man.
Um, what? Why would I ever do that you.[/QUOTE]
Ah yes, there it is. We're against drawings being illegal, so we must be paedophiles.
We're not defending it because we're paedophiles, we're defending it because they're drawings and there is literally NO VICTIM. Instead of coming in here, rating me dumb and calling us paedophiles, why don't you give us a counter-argument for a change?
People fighting against censorship = pedophiles. Duh
[QUOTE=Zick-1957;45143227]For all you pedophiliaphobic people i will gonna put this way do you remember when almost everyone was racist towards black people
or when everybody hated gays because they thought it was morally wrong well this is kinda the same
If you wach some kind of twisted porn that that does not mean you will go crazy and start molesting or raping everyone[/QUOTE]
This fucking leap where did it even come from
And what the fuck you can't change being gay or black, this is totally different.
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;45143275]This fucking leap where did it even come from
And what the fuck you can't change being gay or black, this is totally different.[/QUOTE]
You can’t change being a pedophile either. Also ironically in the past when racism and homophobia were more acceptable hatred of pedophiles was much less common. In most of America in the 19th century the age of consent was 12 or lower.
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;45143275]This fucking leap where did it even come from
And what the fuck you can't change being gay or black, this is totally different.[/QUOTE]
Well, actually, playing devil's advocate here: People thought you could change being gay, but you couldn't, all therapy (back when it was prescribed for being gay) did was teach them to hide it. Being gay is a sexual preference, one that is inherent to the person. It is entirely possible that being a paedophile would be exactly the same, as it too is a sexual preference.
But yeah, this whole movement is retarded censorship drive for the purpose of being meddling arseholes. Countries that have it legalised have lower rates of offence for actual child molestation than those that don't (Denmark, is, I believe, the model for this).
[QUOTE=varg666;45143245]Wow, I'm speechless about this thread is full of peadophiles man..[/QUOTE]
Does that mean that everyone who watches a rape fantasy goes out and rapes people.
And the word fantasy was in that last sentence because a rape fantasy includes consent. If it didn't, it wouldn't be a fantasy.
I love when this sort of topic is brought up, it's always amusing how people will respond to the lesser posts and ignore the actual well-written one just for the sake of pursuing drama rather than intelligent discussion. I usually just lurk waiting for these, but just thought I'd give my two cents this time.
And sorry, but being butt-fucked by a dog or reading children porn mags is not ok.
[QUOTE=JohnnyOnFlame;45143319]I love when this sort of topic is brought up, it's always amusing how people will respond to the lesser posts and ignore the actual well-written one just for the sake of pursuing drama rather than intelligent discussion. I usually just lurk waiting for these, but just thought I'd give my two cents this time.
And sorry, but being butt-fucked by a dog or reading children porn mags is not ok.[/QUOTE]
Have there been any well-written arguments for making porn drawings illegal in this thread? I can't see any.
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