CNN - Sexually explicit Japan manga evades new laws on child pornography
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[QUOTE=JohnnyOnFlame;45143319]I love when this sort of topic is brought up, it's always amusing how people will respond to the lesser posts and ignore the actual well-written one just for the sake of pursuing drama rather than intelligent discussion. I usually just lurk waiting for these, but just thought I'd give my two cents this time.
And sorry, but being butt-fucked by a dog or reading children porn mags is not ok.[/QUOTE]
And sorry, but being butt-fucked by a dog or reading gay porn mags is not ok.
And sorry, but being butt-fucked by a dog or reading interracial porn mags is not ok.
etc.
You need to explain why or it's just empty disapproval. Not liking something isn't sufficient reason to make that thing illegal.
[QUOTE=Aidan_088;45143343]And sorry, but being butt-fucked by a dog or reading gay porn mags is not ok.
And sorry, but being butt-fucked by a dog or reading interracial porn mags is not ok.
etc.
You need to explain why or it's just empty disapproval. Not liking something isn't sufficient reason to make that thing illegal.[/QUOTE]
But but you see it makes me uncomfortable and I want government to make it go away.
[QUOTE=varg666;45143245]Wow, I'm speechless about this thread is full of peadophiles man.
Um, what? Why would I ever do that you.[/QUOTE]
I still see you've got no argument, or maybe it's because it's so far up your ass that you can't reach it.
The world may never know!
What the fuck are with this posts bringing up homosexuality and interracial sex
I'd say pedophilia is a sexual preference that can't be changed.
Doesn't matter too much, though, because the main issue here is whether or not harm is caused.
The point Zick does make, is that society needs to chill with the hate machine a bit and start looking at it rationally. The hate towards pedophilia is totally out of proportion, kind of reminiscent of racism and anti-gay people. This doesn't mean we have to accept everything pedophilia, just that we have to take a step back and start thinking about it rationally.
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About whether it can be changed or not: I know it's anecdotal, but I think it's all we have currently in lieu of actual studies: I've talked to seven psychologists and psychiatrists in the past five years, and all of them have agreed that pedophilia cannot be removed or cured. They all also had completely different and conflicting ideas about how to deal with it, so I guess what my anecdote really shows is that nobody has fuck all of a clue how to handle pedophilia. But to me, it's just a preference. Preferences were never my choice, and I can't consciously change what I like, whether it be sexual or visual or, really anything. I can't make myself like heavy metal any more than I can make myself like large breasted women.
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;45143370]What the fuck are with this posts bringing up homosexuality and interracial sex[/QUOTE]
Because the reason people want to ban this shit is the same as the reason they want to ban interracial sex and gay marriage.
"Even though it's not hurting anyone I don't like it so I need the government to ban it for me."
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;45143376]I'd say pedophilia is a sexual preference that can't be changed.
Doesn't matter too much, though, because the main issue here is whether or not harm is caused.
The point Zick does make, is that society needs to chill with the hate machine a bit and start looking at it rationally. The hate towards pedophilia is totally out of proportion, kind of reminiscent of racism and anti-gay people. This doesn't mean we have to accept everything pedophilia, just that we have to take a step back and start thinking about it rationally.[/QUOTE]
What bothers me is that people get "lynched" before they even commit any crimes.
My opinion is that as long as they are non-existant characters and no one is damaged in the production of that kind of drawings i don't see the problem, in fact it might be a way of escape for some people.
[QUOTE=eirexe;45143393]I'll play devil's advocate here, but as long as they are non-existant characters and no one is damaged in the production of that kind of drawings i don't see the problem, in fact it might be a way of escape for some people.[/QUOTE]
How is this devil's advocate?
[QUOTE=eirexe;45143393]I'll play devil's advocate here, but as long as they are non-existant characters and no one is damaged in the production of that kind of drawings i don't see the problem, in fact it might be a way of escape for some people.[/QUOTE]
Escapism isn't healthy though.
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;45143370]What the fuck are with this posts bringing up homosexuality and interracial sex[/QUOTE]
The point is that arguments being used are just as valid when applied to banning depictions of homosexuality or miscegenation. The only argument being put forward is it's thought to be bad and that therefore it should be banned, which is fallacious and to demonstrate that I applied the same logic to banning other things that the poster presumably wouldn't want to ban to make it clear that their line of argument isn’t convincing.
[QUOTE=Aidan_088;45143343]And sorry, but being butt-fucked by a dog or reading gay porn mags is not ok.
And sorry, but being butt-fucked by a dog or reading interracial porn mags is not ok.
etc.
You need to explain why or it's just empty disapproval. Not liking something isn't sufficient reason to make that thing illegal.[/QUOTE]
If you're reading gay porn mags and decide to have sex with other men it's your ass being pounded, and I don't think you're going to have sex with aliens any time soon.
Now if you have urges towards children, there are two choices here, you'll fall into a community that will assure you that it's everything ok (circular masturbation- like we see on dA or Reddit, or even some on facepunch) or you'll simply keep it to yourself. The first one is problematic, since it might escalate your urges, while the second one is simply a weird kink that nobody needs to know about.
The problem [B]is[/B] the former case, this happens alrite, a good case of it are these people that believe in gangstalking. It's a good reading material on this sort of community behavior since it doesn't require you filling your browser history and cache with illegal nsfw content.
fffff
Is drawing what looks like child porn bad? Yeah, that's pretty bad. If you saw a drawing depicting someone who is very clearly underage being sexually assaulted and did not feel disgusted at some level there is something genuinely wrong with you.
I don't get this stupid comparison with interracial/gay sex, child molestation is not the same thing, it's more akin to rape
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;45143411]Escapism isn't healthy though.[/QUOTE]
Depends on the type and how often.
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;45143411]Escapism isn't healthy though.[/QUOTE]
Care to elaborate? We escape our everyday lives by watching movies/playing games/reading books/watching porn every day. How is it not healthy?
[QUOTE=paul simon;45142380]While i suppose it makes sense that it's legal, I really despise how some people protect it as if their only purpose in life is watching naked little anime girls.
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Porn is serious business and restricting the porn I watch is a great way to piss me off
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;45143411]Escapism isn't healthy though.[/QUOTE]
It is (hah) the only escape for Paedophiles to take though, and most know it. Because the ones that don't become child molesters.
If it is a preference (which it is), then it also likely can't be changed.
[QUOTE=Garlickeh;45143428]fffff
Is drawing what looks like child porn bad? Yeah, that's pretty bad. If you saw a drawing depicting someone who is very clearly underage being sexually assaulted and did not feel disgusted at some level there is something genuinely wrong with you.
I don't get this stupid comparison with interracial/gay sex, child molestation is not the same thing, it's more akin to rape[/QUOTE]
Good thing looking at a drawn picture isn't child molestation.
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;45143376]The point Zick does make, is that society needs to chill with the hate machine a bit and start looking at it rationally. The hate towards pedophilia is totally out of proportion, kind of reminiscent of racism and anti-gay people. This doesn't mean we have to accept everything pedophilia, just that we have to take a step back and start thinking about it rationally.[/QUOTE]
Sadly, humans are prone to become savage beasts under certain conditions, and the older beasts cannot easily be reprogrammed, plus people get pissy about trying to enlighten and educate the cubs on subjects they believe to be "too mature". So it's pretty much impossible to change overnight without some insanely-advanced technology that could easily be abused for the wrong purposes.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;45143401]How is this devil's advocate?[/QUOTE]
Sorry, totally forgot what devil's advocate meant.
-snip it's late according to my timezone, I'm tired, 'nuf said. I'll come back with a better argument tomorrow, good night everyone. Also, I'm sorry for being an asshole. :X-
[QUOTE=Garlickeh;45143428]
I don't get this stupid comparison with interracial/gay sex, child molestation is not the same thing, it's more akin to rape[/QUOTE]How can you not get something as basic as that? The argument used to ban/censor harmless media is the same one used to ban homosexual media. Someone feels icky so they call ban upon it.
What a lovely strawman argument that varg chappie tried to spin. Tch, what a dweeb.
[QUOTE=Leg of Doom;45142354]Watch this thread will explode because of anime pedo guys.[/QUOTE]
i like how people rate this dumb but its true
Legality aside, I find people who get off to this sort of thing revolting.
[QUOTE=JohnnyOnFlame;45143420]If you're reading gay porn mags and decide to have sex with other men it's your ass being pounded, and I don't think you're going to have sex with aliens any time soon.
Now if you have urges towards children, there are two choices here, you'll fall into a community that will assure you that it's everything ok (circular masturbation- like we see on dA or Reddit, or even some on facepunch) or you'll simply keep it to yourself. The first one is problematic, since it might escalate your urges, while the second one is simply a weird kink that nobody needs to know about.
The problem [B]is[/B] the former case, this happens alrite, a good case of it are these people that believe in gangstalking.[/QUOTE]
The age of consent in Brazil is 14. If you were to have sex with a 14 year old you would face no charges, In Britain the age of consent is 16, If I were to have sex with a 14 year old I would go to prison for a very long time. The point I'm making is that this child pornography laws don’t just cover very young children that obviously can't consent to sex but teenagers who can consent to sex. If you can actually have sex with someone I think it is absurd that you cannot draw the same thing happening.
Another major problem is that does you logic not also apply to horror and slasher movies, should they be banned? Also what of video games and books and music etc that violence should they be banned. What of Lolita and Sandel and other books that depict relationships that currently illegal in some parts of the world should they be banned?
[QUOTE=Garlickeh;45143428]If you saw a drawing depicting someone who is very clearly underage being sexually assaulted and did not feel disgusted at some level there is something genuinely wrong with you. [/QUOTE]
If you saw a video game depicting someone being murdered, etc. etc.
It's fiction. Doesn't matter if it's disgusting. Doesn't even matter if it's 'bad'. All that matters is whether or not someone gets hurt. That's what our laws are supposed to do; protect people from harm. They're not there to harm people we think are disgusting.
[QUOTE=Garlickeh;45143428]fffff
Is drawing what looks like child porn bad? Yeah, that's pretty bad. If you saw a drawing depicting someone who is very clearly underage being sexually assaulted and did not feel disgusted at some level there is something genuinely wrong with you.
I don't get this stupid comparison with interracial/gay sex, child molestation is not the same thing, it's more akin to rape[/QUOTE]
And furthermore to address the "If you saw a drawing depicting someone..." section of your post, I could say "If you saw a drawing depicting someone being shit on and didn't get disgusted, there's something wrong with you."
Does that mean that scat should be banned? No, because even though I personally think it's disgusting, nobody is getting hurt, so there is absolutely zero reason to ban it.
A lot of people like this kind of mangas but would be disgusted if they ever found real CP.
[QUOTE=varg666;45143452]
Oh you what, on secend thought I'm leaving this thread, so goodbye.[/QUOTE]
"I don't like thing and I think it should be banned."
"You guys are fucking disgusting for not hating thing I hate"
"I have no argument to back up my words so I'll just pretend I'm too disgusted by you sick fucks to talk, bye"
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