• CNN - Sexually explicit Japan manga evades new laws on child pornography
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[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;45143446]Good thing looking at a drawn picture isn't child molestation.[/QUOTE] Yeah, no one here is arguing that child molestation isn't bad. It is. Everyone accepts that. Even Child Molesters know it. Lolicon != Child Molestation. We know CM is bad because children are hurt physically and psychologically by it. Lolicon harms no one and nothing (Unless pixels and/or paper have feelings now), and may be a way for those with paedophilia related urges or leanings to satisfy those urges without harming anyone. Even the case of the molester who used to groom a child is stupid, because far more CM's use alcohol? Are we going to ban alcohol now because it aids in Child Molestation? Removing that may cause them to seek the real thing, harming others and themselves. And the evidence seems to suggest that (Both Japan and Denmark, and other countries with Lolicon legalised, have lower rates of child molestation than those that have censored it). [b]Edit:[/b] Ergh, meant to quote Garlickeh, not you. Sorry.
[QUOTE=Kai-ryuu;45143469]i like how people rate this dumb but its true[/QUOTE] I rated it dumb because it contributes fuck all to the thread and exists solely to be mean spirited.
[QUOTE=Purple Robot;45142259]dig that hole deeper max[/QUOTE] I'm going to be honest. This is hentai's hole, Max just threw a rock in and found that [B]IT NEVER ENDED[/B].
A lot of the so-called arguments for making drawings illegal in this thread can be dismantled using this website: [url]https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/[/url]
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;45143475]If you saw a video game depicting someone being murdered, etc. etc. It's fiction. Doesn't matter if it's disgusting. Doesn't even matter if it's 'bad'. All that matters is whether or not someone gets hurt. That's what our laws are supposed to do; protect people from harm. They're not there to harm people we think are disgusting.[/QUOTE] That is an excellent way of putting it.
If you say questionable drawings of fictional underage characters should be banned you're pretty much saying that "fictional works someone finds disgusting/questionable should be banned". What is this, Nazi Germany?
I'm not with people that like lolicon and other shit, but this shit is just like that one episode of south park where they banned kentucky fried chicken and they didn't realize it helped people with their shit. as "REPULSIVE EEWW!" it is, its helping people so they don't take their shit to a new level and so they keep their fetish just as "innocent" it can be.
[QUOTE=JohnnyOnFlame;45143420]If you're reading gay porn mags and decide to have sex with other men it's your ass being pounded, and I don't think you're going to have sex with aliens any time soon. Now if you have urges towards children, there are two choices here, you'll fall into a community that will assure you that it's everything ok (circular masturbation- like we see on dA or Reddit, or even some on facepunch) or you'll simply keep it to yourself. The first one is problematic, since it might escalate your urges, while the second one is simply a weird kink that nobody needs to know about. The problem [B]is[/B] the former case, this happens alrite, a good case of it are these people that believe in gangstalking. It's a good reading material on this sort of community behavior since it doesn't require you filling your browser history and cache with illegal nsfw content.[/QUOTE] Your argument seems to be that the problem doesn't lie with lolicon but with people forming groups assuring each other than sexually abusing children is okay. You then point out that this is not an exclusive feature of pedophiles but something anyone can do for anything. Is it that lolicon is bad? Or is it bad that people form an isolated group which is an echo chamber for morally wrong ideas, and this cycle of assurance and reassurance perpetuates until someone is assured enough of their position that they act on it?
[QUOTE=Craigewan;45143522]That is an excellent way of putting it.[/QUOTE] Like I've said in previous threads, the artists intentions are also important. Which is why I find this kinda digusting, though I don't want to sink half my brain by reading it but I'm going to guess that all this is for is sexual gratification. I'd laugh if it actually made fun of lolicon readers.
[QUOTE=itisjuly;45143531]If you say questionable drawings of fictional underage characters should be banned you're pretty much saying that "fictional works someone finds disgusting/questionable should be banned". What is this, Nazi Germany?[/QUOTE] Russia's kinda close to that with their staunch anti-gay policies, though nowhere near the eldritch world-consuming horror that was the German war machine. [editline]18th June 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=SenhorCreeper;45143536]I'm not with people that like lolicon and other shit, but this shit is just like that one episode of south park where they banned kentucky fried chicken and they didn't realize it helped people with their shit. as "REPULSIVE EEWW!" it is, its helping people so they don't take their shit to a new level and so they keep their fetish just as "innocent" it can be.[/QUOTE] Speaking of which, has South Park ever done an episode on the lolicon thing? I wouldn't be surprised if they did, tbh.
[QUOTE=ironman17;45143559]Russia's kinda close to that with their staunch anti-gay policies, though nowhere near the eldritch world-consuming horror that was the German war machine. [editline]18th June 2014[/editline] Speaking of which, has South Park ever done an episode on the lolicon thing? I wouldn't be surprised if they did, tbh.[/QUOTE] They did a To Catch a Predator thing.
[QUOTE=Kai-ryuu;45143469]i like how people rate this dumb but its true[/QUOTE] Discussion over guys, he's presented a valid counter-argument on why we should ban drawings. Pack your bags and go home, let's pass some more "feel good" laws instead of actually doing something about the real problem.
Watch whatever you want I don't give a fuck but the people who have avatars of sexualised little girls ("but she's 304 years old!") are stupid.
[QUOTE=ironman17;45143559] Speaking of which, has South Park ever done an episode on the lolicon thing? I wouldn't be surprised if they did, tbh.[/QUOTE] They did mock the anime style for years, and with this year they're mocking the usual "toocute4me" style, but no, the buttmad would be perfect if they just mock them without end
[QUOTE=Lukeo;45143611]Watch whatever you want I don't give a fuck but the people who have avatars of sexualised little girls ("but she's 304 years old!") are stupid.[/QUOTE] Yes, those people with anime avatars are truly vile!
[QUOTE=eirexe;45143482]A lot of people like this kind of mangas but would be disgusted if they ever found real CP.[/QUOTE] This is what I was going to talk about. Because it's relevant to the discussion, I'll say it: when I'm browsing pixiv/boorus/hentai boards on reddit/4chan, I find that there are, amongst all the other hentai pics, many loli pics that I do like. Not that it's a preference, but it's a "a loli is fine too" thing. However, the thought of viewing real children in a sexual light is disgusting to me, and I don't think I'm any sort of minority in this. In fact, from my experience in 4chan and Reddit, this is the majority. Take it as a meaningless anecdote if you will, but from the many loli threads I have visited over the years, whenever someone posts child beauty pageant or borderline CP usually accompanied with "2D sucks, step it up and move to 3D" or something, they usually receive a barrage of disgusted people replying to them. If you ask me why one would like 2D but not 3D, I would point to the fact that drawings are made on purpose to be appealing and that anime and real life don't really look alike, especially in the face department. Having said this, I think it's easier for others to understand why comments like "lolicon isn't technically wrong but they should get help too" or implications that the only reason someone would look at loli stuff is because actual CP is illegal scratch me totally the wrong way. Because my anime fetishes bear no relevance whatsoever in the real world, and it's the same for many other kinds of stuff.
[QUOTE=chunkymonkey;45143629]Yes, those people with anime avatars are truly vile![/QUOTE] There's some people with really weird avatars. It's not about anime avatars but you can keep you naked apart from boobs/crotch catgirl to yourself.
[QUOTE=Ogris;45143677]There's some people with really weird avatars. It's not about anime avatars but you CAN keep you naked apart from boobs/crotch catgirl to yourself. It can be offputting for some people.[/QUOTE] I think you need to fix that second sentence a little because it makes no sense.
Makes perfect sense if you ignore the few grammatical errors.
[QUOTE=Ogris;45143677]There's some people with really weird avatars. It's not about anime avatars but you CAN keep you naked apart from boobs/crotch catgirl to yourself. It can be offputting for some people.[/QUOTE] Last I checked, you're not even allowed to show nudity to a certain degree in your avatar.
[QUOTE=slayer20;45143817]Last I checked, you're not even allowed to show nudity to a certain degree in your avatar.[/QUOTE] People don't have nudity in their avatars, you get banned for that. They have cropped/censored images.
[QUOTE=Limed00d;45142488]Lolicon shouldn't be banned, but affection towards sexualized 2D underage girls is nothing to be proud of. Lolicon in general is pretty creepy, and people who openly brag about it is creepy. But I would prefer people sticking to lolicon rather than the real thing, fo' sho'[/QUOTE] there was a minecraft server i modded for a few years ago, the owner was like a freshman in highschool and constantly talked about lolicon, its kinda creepy when you're on a server with like 8 year olds
[QUOTE=slayer20;45143817]Last I checked, you're not even allowed to show nudity to a certain degree in your avatar.[/QUOTE] Funny how there's a user here in FP that has some tits as an avatar but never got banned for it, whos that guy anyway?
[QUOTE=Lukeo;45143611]Watch whatever you want I don't give a fuck but the people who have avatars of sexualised little girls ("but she's 304 years old!") are stupid.[/QUOTE] I don't understand this kind of thing. When someone saves a loli pic, do they actually care whether or not the character is 300 or 18 or 6? Of course not. Nobody finds a picture they like, and then goes and googles the character to find out if they're of legal age in their universe or not. Nobody saves a picture of Yoko from Gurren Lagann because it gave them a boner, and then goes and deletes it because they found out the character is 14. The age of a drawn character does not have to bear any relevance to the way they look like; this is another reason why trying to define boundaries for what is considered "child pornography" when it comes to drawings is impracticable. If I draw granny hentai and slap "age: 5" on the picture and then make another picture afterwards of a loli and slap "age: 300" on it, which one are they gonna arrest me for? Both? Because if they just go by looks, they might as well ban anyone young-looking in real porn too, regardless if they're over 18 or not. It's just stupid.
[QUOTE=eirexe;45143482]A lot of people like this kind of mangas but would be disgusted if they ever found real CP.[/QUOTE] 3DPD
[QUOTE=slayer20;45143817]Last I checked, you're not even allowed to show nudity to a certain degree in your avatar.[/QUOTE] I'm speaking in general. Facepunch tends to be pretty clean in regards to avatars.
[QUOTE=Sympathy;45142279]They censored it because it's cp, doesn't matter if its drawn or not. [video=youtube;Owa5KcQ9Mxc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Owa5KcQ9Mxc[/video][/QUOTE] Thought crimes, yay.
[QUOTE=Riutet;45143548]Your argument seems to be that the problem doesn't lie with lolicon but with people forming groups assuring each other than sexually abusing children is okay. You then point out that this is not an exclusive feature of pedophiles but something anyone can do for anything. Is it that lolicon is bad? Or is it bad that people form an isolated group which is an echo chamber for morally wrong ideas, and this cycle of assurance and reassurance perpetuates until someone is assured enough of their position that they act on it?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Aidan_088;45143474]The age of consent in Brazil is 14. If you were to have sex with a 14 year old you would face no charges, In Britain the age of consent is 16, If I were to have sex with a 14 year old I would go to prison for a very long time. The point I'm making is that this child pornography laws don’t just cover very young children that obviously can't consent to sex but teenagers who can consent to sex. If you can actually have sex with someone I think it is absurd that you cannot draw the same thing happening. Another major problem is that does you logic not also apply to horror and slasher movies, should they be banned? Also what of video games and books and music etc that violence should they be banned. What of Lolita and Sandel and other books that depict relationships that currently illegal in some parts of the world should they be banned?[/QUOTE] I'll talk more about the same in a single post and I hope to be able to cover both: My point is not that it should be banned, I don't think victim-less crimes are really a thing. If you're buying drugs, you're financing a criminal scheme that hurts people, if you're smoking home-grown pot you're just screwing with yourself. I'm just saying that it's morally wrong, it's something not accepted by society, and for good reason. However treating people with these urges as demons and simply locking them up in a cage for a few years doesn't help either. I don't play DooM because I want to get my violence fix, I play it because I love fast paced action, I love challenging games. Same goes for Quake, or even Super Meat Boy. I don't play Skyrim because I'm a heartless crab killer, but because I enjoy exploring the virtual scenario built by bethesda. People masturbate to these because they -have- urges towards this specific fetish. Escapism is not a solution, it's simply climbing down the hole with a rope instead of jumping heads first. Mental health is a big deal, and it needs more research, more investment. Just throwing people on cages, filling them with 'nomolestol' or shunning them into a corner are not solutions either. Oh and on the topic of Brazillian laws, please don't bring that up. Our laws are really full of shit, and since this is not the topic in hands I don't want to post a page and half about why that is true, you can find more about that by googling if you really want so. Or even shoot me up via PM/STEAM and I could go on and on about this. [QUOTE=Riutet;45143548]You then point out that this is not an exclusive feature of pedophiles but something anyone can do for anything.[/QUOTE] Because this is [B]not[/B] exclusive for pedophiles and can be true for just about anything, and is a big problem nowadays because people are treated like demons rather than people that might need help. [B]escapism is not a solution.[/B]
i dont see a problem with this but personally i think its creepy as fuck i mean as long as you're not outside stalking real little girls/boys i dont see the big deal
[QUOTE=mchapra;45144056]i dont see a problem with this but personally i think its creepy as fuck i mean as long as you're not outside stalking real little girls/boys i dont see the big deal[/QUOTE] and that is a totally okay viewpoint be creeped out as much as you want but calling for the banning something that hurts no one is ridiculous
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