• CNN - Sexually explicit Japan manga evades new laws on child pornography
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[QUOTE=Purple Robot;45142224]However, it doesn't include possession of anime or manga depicting child abuse, no matter how sexually explicit.[/QUOTE] Oh, awesome. Changed my 1x Disagree to 1x Winner
[QUOTE=Purple Robot;45142259]dig that hole deeper max[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Purple Robot;45142275]-snip-[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Purple Robot;45142302]lmfao it's from an actual anime dude plus, that doesn't make a difference at all?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Purple Robot;45142328]I'm just saying it's not from a hentai, it's from an actual anime called Nisemonogatari. And the fact that i have an anime avatar makes literally no difference. Saying something stupid and then back-pedaling it as sarcasm is pretty dumb if you ask me.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Purple Robot;45142433]Don't you think sarcasm is a bit hard to detect over the internet, looking at text? It doesn't matter what smiley face is after it.[/QUOTE] Dude you're on a serious shit posting spree right now and seriously, "Sarcasm isn't hard to detect" isn't an excuse when in this case, it's not only easy to detect, it's literally impossible not to.
[QUOTE=JohnnyOnFlame;45144020][B]escapism is not a solution.[/B][/QUOTE] There's no alternative, though. If they didn't use lolicon, they'd just be doing similar escapism in their own fantasy world. Personally, I've stopped caring and it seems to work fine for me. Normally, a part of my new way of dealing with pedophilia is to not post in threads about it anymore. Sometimes I'm not good at that part. I'm not a dangerous person, so whatever. In my experience, professionals are already pretty good here in Denmark at least. When I was fifteen I basically just went up to my doctor and straight up told them I was a pedophile. They were just happy that I came to say it, and then set me up with all sorts of psychiatrists. Nothing particularly bad happened to me, so I'd say it's safe enough to seek help here. I even saw an ad once for an anonymous phone line you could call and it seemed to even target literal child molesters. Woo, personal stories.
so is this going by author canon or audience interpretation cause i mean y'all are gonna have some problems objectively verifying the age of imaginary cartoons
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;45144132]In my experience, professionals are already pretty good here in Denmark at least. [B]When I was fifteen I basically just went up to my doctor and straight up told them I was a pedophile. [/B]They were just happy that I came to say it, and then set me up with all sorts of psychiatrists.[/QUOTE] I wonder how psychologists categorise that. I mean, you're still attracted to minors, but they're not much younger than you.
[QUOTE=Lukeo;45143611]Watch whatever you want I don't give a fuck[B] but the people who have avatars of sexualised little girls ("but she's 304 years old!") are stupid.[/B][/QUOTE] Well damn you sure showed me this anime girl who looks nothing like a real child in any way sure is creepy I guess I'll seek help now.
[QUOTE=maxumym;45144182]I wonder how psychologists categorise that. I mean, you're still attracted to minors, but they're not much younger than you.[/QUOTE] That's true, I remember lots and lots of people telling me it was just a phase, or that it was normal [I](because they thought I meant children as in 12-15 year olds)[/I]. Keep in mind that pedophilia is an attraction to [I]prepubescent[/I] children, so it's always been like, 6 to 12 year olds. That's still a massive age difference when you're 15. The psychologists and psychiatrists at least accepted it as a legit thing, although the first ones thought I had OCD. I still talked to psychologists after I turned 18 and I didn't really notice a change in how they approached me...
[QUOTE=JohnnyOnFlame;45144020]I'll talk more about the same in a single post and I hope to be able to cover both: My point is not that it should be banned, I don't think victim-less crimes are really a thing. If you're buying drugs, you're financing a criminal scheme that hurts people, if you're smoking home-grown pot you're just screwing with yourself. I'm just saying that it's morally wrong, it's something not accepted by society, and for good reason. However treating people with these urges as demons and simply locking them up in a cage for a few years doesn't help either. I don't play DooM because I want to get my violence fix, I play it because I love fast paced action, I love challenging games. Same goes for Quake, or even Super Meat Boy. I don't play Skyrim because I'm a heartless crab killer, but because I enjoy exploring the virtual scenario built by bethesda. People masturbate to these because they -have- urges towards this specific fetish. Escapism is not a solution, it's simply climbing down the hole with a rope instead of jumping heads first. Mental health is a big deal, and it needs more research, more investment. Just throwing people on cages, filling them with 'nomolestol' or shunning them into a corner are not solutions either. Oh and on the topic of Brazillian laws, please don't bring that up. Our laws are really full of shit, and since this is not the topic in hands I don't want to post a page and half about why that is true, you can find more about that by googling if you really want so. Or even shoot me up via PM/STEAM and I could go on and on about this. Because this is [B]not[/B] exclusive for pedophiles and can be true for just about anything, and is a big problem nowadays because people are treated like demons rather than people that might need help. [B]escapism is not a solution.[/B][/QUOTE] There definitely can be victimless crimes because there is no limit to what can and cannot be illegal. There are parts of the world in which homosexuality is illegal; surely that is a victimless crime. What is and isn't illegal and what should and should not be illegal and who is and who is not a victim are all open questions. Brazil may have many legal problems but I don’t think it's age of consent is one, Germany and Austria have the same of AOC as Brazil. Globally speaking 14 isn't exceptionally low. I agree games like Doom and Quake have other purposes but what about Manhunt, or even just imagine a hypothetical game that simulates being a serial killer. You also don't address my point about movies and books, I find it hard to believe that there is not a subset of people who watch films like Hostel and A Serbian Film because they are sadists. You might not be but some people definitely do play video games, read books, watch movies, etc. to live out violent fantasies. The real problem when it comes to mental health is of conflation and lack of understanding by the public. Pedophilia is a mental illness but pedophilia refers specifically to attraction to pre-pubescence not to attraction to people beneath the local age of consent. Hebephilia and Ephebophilia, attraction to people in early to late puberty, are not a mental illnesses. Lolicon and shotacon may refer specifically to depictions of pre-pubescence but that is not all that is being banned by these laws. Anything depicting someone under 18 in a sexual situation will become illegal. In Britain, as I previously discussed, similar legislation led to the absurd situation in which it is legal to have sex with a 16 year old but not legal to draw a 17 year old having sex. These laws are ridiculous but few people fight them for fear of becoming a pariah.
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;45144132]There's no alternative, though. If they didn't use lolicon, they'd just be doing similar escapism in their own fantasy world.[/QUOTE] Pretty much. You can't cure pedophilia just as much as you can't pray the gay away. If you take away the victimless options, it just means more people will choose the option with a victim.
Banning hentai with child like characters is like banning comic books because they have pictures of guns, so comic books must be a gun.
Also, as if banning it would actually accomplish anything when the internet exists.
[QUOTE=Purple Robot;45142328]I'm just saying it's not from a hentai, it's from an actual anime called Nisemonogatari. And the fact that i have an anime avatar makes literally no difference.[/QUOTE] gimme your lunch money
[QUOTE=dai;45144681]gimme your lunch money[/QUOTE] Not my sweets! not my treats!
the only problem I have with lolicon is how often it appears in japanese media. I cant count how many times I've been "appreciating" a very well done lewd magazine or gallery when it suddenly breaks out with a bad case of the lolis making everything awkward
[QUOTE=dai;45144681]gimme your lunch money[/QUOTE] Fuck you, i'm not buying you a pack of gushers and a bag of potato chips! Go stick that money up your ass, bully!
[QUOTE=Purple Robot;45144850]Fuck you, i'm not buying you a pack of gushers and a bag of potato chips! Go stick that money up your ass, bully![/QUOTE] Buy me a can of Dr Pepper or else we're going to have a situation.
Hi I'm back with a better argument. Sorry I overreact, my brain couldn't comprehended. Anyhow, let me get this out of the way. [QUOTE=st_nick5;45143259]Ah yes, there it is. We're against drawings being illegal, so we must be paedophiles. We're not defending it because we're paedophiles, [B]we're defending it because they're drawings and there is literally NO VICTIM[/B]. Instead of coming in here, rating me dumb and calling us paedophiles, why don't you give us a counter-argument for a change?[/QUOTE] Even these drawings of these kids engaging inappropriate stuff, that it is nothing to do with real life victim of children is still child porn in my book.
so what if it's child porn in your book, no one is still being hurt and there's still no justification other than "it disgusts me" to ban it
[QUOTE=varg666;45144859]Hi I'm back with a better argument. Sorry I overreact, my brain couldn't comprehended. Anyhow, let me get this out of the way. Even these drawings of these kids engaging inappropriate stuff, that it is nothing to do with real life victim of children is still child porn in my book.[/QUOTE] So child porn in your book includes things that shouldn't be outlawed. I mean I guess that makes classification more annoying but otherwise I don't see how it's relevant? Like I could say I consider the SAW franchise snuff films, but all that would mean is I think the term "snuff films" includes "depictions of fake gore and violence".
[QUOTE=varg666;45144859]Even these drawings of these kids engaging inappropriate stuff, that it is nothing to do with real life victim of children is still child porn in my book.[/QUOTE] If you want to get real technical, a whole lot of Lolicon has nothing to do with kids or inappropriate stuff, because Lolicon covers both "Lolicon", (actual) little girls typically getting into taboo relationships with teachers/brothers/fathers/sweaty old men or each other, and "Lolicon", characters who appear petite or underaged but typically actually aren't. Only one could really count as "child porn", if it actually was child porn (it isn't). The other is more comparable to banning anything which includes petite pornstars because they "look younger than they are", which is pretty stupid. So your "feel good, them darn paedos!" banning ultimately serves to, yes, stop the flow of drawn little girls engaging in coitus, and it would also ban and/or severely scrutinize the much less explicit form too. Even if you made the distinction proper by changing the definitions so that Lolicon PURELY refers only to underaged girls very likely engaging in sexual acts, you'd still be banning it for no reason other than "I don't like it".
[QUOTE=Zezibesh;45144885]so what if it's child porn in your book, no one is still being hurt and there's still no justification other than "it disgusts me" to ban it[/QUOTE] This. And please don't say "but it MIGHT have a negative effect". Anything [I]could[/I] have a negative effect. The only reason that bullshit flies against lolicon is because you aren't going to find anyone outside of the freaks on the internet who'll defend it. If you tried to say "Catcher in the Rye is breeding murderers right under our noses, we should take these books off of the shelves and burn them to prevent further negative influence", people would slap your shit. And there are multiple cases of people referencing that book as the reason behind their murderous actions, which is more of a link than what I've seen for lolicon so far.
as long as it doesn't hurt people, it shouldn't matter what people get off to
[QUOTE=varg666;45144859]Hi I'm back with a better argument. Sorry I overreact, my brain couldn't comprehended. Anyhow, let me get this out of the way. Even these drawings of these kids engaging inappropriate stuff, that it is nothing to do with real life victim of children is still child porn in my book.[/QUOTE] and?
[QUOTE=Purple Robot;45142328]I'm just saying it's not from a hentai, it's from an actual anime called Nisemonogatari[/QUOTE] and here i was thinking it was the major from ghost in the shell
[video=youtube;MyDrxdPn6yw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyDrxdPn6yw[/video] I found this video highly informative and a very good view on lolis.
[QUOTE=Purple Robot;45142433]Don't you think sarcasm is a bit hard to detect over the internet, looking at text? It doesn't matter what smiley face is after it.[/QUOTE] yes i agree sarcasm is soooooooo hard to detect right :downs: TBH sarcasm is fucking easy to figure out, and that statement was overflowing.
[QUOTE=ashxu;45142321]they openly admit there's no link between manga/anime and child abuse and proceed to make up "but it could happen" theories. the entire point of why cp is wrong is because there's a victim.[/QUOTE] On top of that, they're still drawings. Anyone with a pen and some paper could draw it up. Are they going to throw people in prison for something they draw? To me that seems dumb.
[QUOTE=varg666;45144859]Hi I'm back with a better argument. Sorry I overreact, my brain couldn't comprehended. Anyhow, let me get this out of the way. Even these drawings of these kids engaging inappropriate stuff, that it is nothing to do with real life victim of children is still child porn in my book.[/QUOTE] "Better argument". All you've said is "This should be banned, because I don't like it". edit - Work on your grammar as well.
hey if we're banning sexual content in drawings involving fictional children I hope we're also banning it in books too [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Boy_and_His_Dog[/url] or is there a specific line for just how sexual the content has to be to be considered child porn
[QUOTE=SIRIUS;45145125]and?[/QUOTE] Okay varg you rated me dumb... finish your argument
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