Anthony Hervey, African-American Confederate Flag Supporter has been Killed - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Broseph_;48256411]And this is why I keep two guns in my glove box.[/QUOTE] So, somebody is actively trying to force you out of the road and what you do is that you let go of the steering wheel with one arm to grab a gun and start shooting at them? That doesn't sound as a very effective way of protecting your life.

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;48257845]Yes, yes it was. The designer of the flag literally stated that it symbolized "the Heaven-ordained supremacy of the white man over the inferior or colored race". Appropriating and redefining symbols is a completely different matter, but don't whitewash history to do it. [editline]reverse replying because it doesn't warrant its own post[/editline] Yo.[/QUOTE] Not to say the designer wasn't terribly racist, but you're missing the part of the quote that shows he isn't describing what the flag means, right before that he says "As a people," the full quote being "As a people, we are fighting to maintain the..." not the meaning of the flag itself.

[QUOTE=Broseph_;48256411]And this is why I keep two guns in my glove box.[/QUOTE] When your first flintlock fires off, you can just shoot the second one quickly afterward instead of taking a minute to reload the first one. Ingenious!

[QUOTE=Moustacheman;48256600]My friend, who's also black went to the same rally and got followed home by a couple people who kept shouting shit like "[B]race traitor[/B]," and "fake black."[/QUOTE] A word used by racists during the civil rights movement to 'call out' people who were for the rights of blacks race traiter and fake white good job BEING what you strive to not be

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;48257845]Yes, yes it was. The designer of the flag literally stated that it symbolized "the Heaven-ordained supremacy of the white man over the inferior or colored race". Appropriating and redefining symbols is a completely different matter, but don't whitewash history to do it. [editline]reverse replying because it doesn't warrant its own post[/editline] Yo.[/QUOTE] Correct me if I am wrong but the designer you quote is William T. Thompson who designed the national flag in 1863. The battle flag (the one causing the controversy) was handed to Lee in 1861 by William Porcher Miles. Thompson just put the battle flag on a white rectangle and that was adopted as the official flag.

[QUOTE=J!NX;48258155]A word used by racists during the civil rights movement to 'call out' people who were for the rights of blacks race traiter and fake white good job BEING what you strive to not be[/QUOTE] black people having opinions contrary to what my closed worldview states they should have? impossible

I wouldn't be surprised if this were a murder. The anti-confederate flag/ #Blacklivesmatter crowd is going nuts.

[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;48258409]black people having opinions contrary to what my closed worldview states they should have? impossible[/QUOTE] I know, what's so bad about calling a black person "fake black" based on their political views? :downs: [editline]21st July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Rangergxi;48258429]I wouldn't be surprised if this were a murder. The anti-confederate flag/ #Blacklivesmatter crowd is going nuts.[/QUOTE] Well there were only 2 people, one's dead, and the one that survived says they were chased down and run off the road. Sounds like someone was trying to murder them.

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;48257845]Yes, yes it was. The designer of the flag literally stated that it symbolized "the Heaven-ordained supremacy of the white man over the inferior or colored race". Appropriating and redefining symbols is a completely different matter, but don't whitewash history to do it. [editline]reverse replying because it doesn't warrant its own post[/editline] Yo.[/QUOTE] You're thinking of the "stainless banner", aka the second national flag of the CSA. The battle flag was just a battle flag they used because it was hard to tell the "stars and bars" (This is the first national flag, [I]not[/I] the battle flag) apart from the "stars and stripes" in battle. The battleflags inclusion in the stainless banner and the blood stained banner was due to it's wide popularity among confederates. (that probably fought under it) The battleflag was made out of necessity. There were also many other battle flags flown during the war, but that one was arguably the most popular. They even went out of their way to avoid religious symbolism when making it. At the time, it was as harmless as any other old battle flag used to make your armies stand out. If anything it only has negative connotations because it was used in battle by so many people that it developed into the symbol of the cause. So much so that anyone today thinks it's the "confederate flag" and don't know it was literally just a stupid battleflag they drummed up so they could tell confederates from Americans because war without technology is hard. [editline]21st July 2015[/editline] Not going to start another stupid flag debate but what you said was flat out false. It's a shame people are resorting to murder over something so trivial. Unbelievable.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48258429]I wouldn't be surprised if this were a murder. The anti-confederate flag/ #Blacklivesmatter crowd is going nuts.[/QUOTE] Or maybe one of the people from the rally killed him? Cause ya know, they're usually racist.

Killing Someone for their flag is just as bad as killing someone because of their skin color. What makes this murdering coward better than a racist bigot?

[QUOTE=Michael haxz;48259409]Killing Someone for their flag is just as bad as killing someone because of their skin color. What makes this murdering coward better than a racist bigot?[/QUOTE] Totally agree, killing someone for their flag... Terrible.

"Let's make everyone forget about the civil war by making a new civil war!"

[QUOTE=Tudd;48256601]Jeez, why even two?[/QUOTE] One for him, one for whoever he's shooting (it's only fair!).

[QUOTE=Michael haxz;48259409]Killing Someone for their flag is just as bad as killing someone because of their skin color. What makes this murdering coward better than a racist bigot?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=rpb;48259457]Totally agree, killing someone for their flag... Terrible.[/QUOTE] These are shamefully stupid posts. You [i]do not[/i] choose your skin color, nor do you choose your hair and eye color, height, bone structure, etc. You [i]do[/i] choose what flag you want to follow, just as you choose your political beliefs, religious beliefs, personal ethics and values, etc. So no-- killing someone over their flag/political beliefs/religious beliefs is not as bad as killing someone for their skin color. It's not the same, that's how simple it is. It wouldn't be the same if you killed someone for them being a willful idiot vs. if you killed someone for them accidentally making a mistake.

[QUOTE=Govna;48259924]These are shamefully stupid posts. You [i]do not[/i] choose your skin color, nor do you choose your hair and eye color, height, bone structure, etc. You [i]do[/i] choose what flag you want to follow, just as you choose your political beliefs, religious beliefs, personal ethics and values, etc. So no-- killing someone over their flag/political beliefs/religious beliefs is not as bad as killing someone for their skin color. It's not the same, that's how simple it is. It wouldn't be the same if you killed someone for them being a willful idiot vs. if you killed someone for them accidentally making a mistake.[/QUOTE] Killing anyone is just as bad regardless of their skin color or their political beliefs or symbol they follow

[QUOTE=Govna;48259924]These are shamefully stupid posts. You [i]do not[/i] choose your skin color, nor do you choose your hair and eye color, height, bone structure, etc. You [i]do[/i] choose what flag you want to follow, just as you choose your political beliefs, religious beliefs, personal ethics and values, etc. [B]So no-- killing someone over their flag/political beliefs/religious beliefs is not as bad as killing someone for their skin color. It's not the same, that's how simple it is.[/B] It wouldn't be the same if you killed someone for them being a willful idiot vs. if you killed someone for them accidentally making a mistake.[/QUOTE] You said those are shamefully stupid posts, then you post this. Murder is murder, no matter the reason. How you try to say one is not as bad as the other is straight out retarded.

[QUOTE=DuCT;48256215]Oh man, that sucks. Gonna have to read his book, it sounds like an interesting read.[/QUOTE] It isn't. It's <300 pages of a self-professed "black redneck" ranting about, I shit you not, everything from why the Civil War was not about slavery (which is of course revisionism) to why "big government" is bad, why the media is too liberal, why obesity is a problem in the United States, and how he (Hervey, the author) was arrested and imprisoned for fraud. I've got a weird as fuck "friend" who gave me his book to read because he knows I admire Lincoln (he thought it would persuade me to see the war was about states' rights and Lincoln was just as racist as anyone else at the time was), and it was one of the weirdest and most erratic political rants I've ever read. People complain about Mein Kampf being difficult to understand (it really isn't, when you read it as a long speech), but there's no way. Hervey jumps around on his thoughts, his chapters I think he wrote as journal entries or something (I threw the book away at work to be recycled, so at best all I can describe it to you as being his thoughts each chapter being briefly poured out onto paper), and he talks a lot about how blacks are what they are today (impoverished and violent) because it's their own fault somehow (which to a certain extent, I can agree with when you look at black American culture today in the 21st century, but there's no denying we botched integrating and properly educating them so they could assimilate into American society in the Reconstruction years; we treated them like dirt honestly). The whole thing about him going to prison for fraud was bizarre too. See if you can find a free copy somewhere, but don't waste your money on it. And only read it if you're entertained by politcal rambling. It's like acid literature.

[QUOTE=Govna;48259924]These are shamefully stupid posts. You [i]do not[/i] choose your skin color, nor do you choose your hair and eye color, height, bone structure, etc. You [i]do[/i] choose what flag you want to follow, just as you choose your political beliefs, religious beliefs, personal ethics and values, etc. So no-- killing someone over their flag/political beliefs/religious beliefs is not as bad as killing someone for their skin color. It's not the same, that's how simple it is. It wouldn't be the same if you killed someone for them being a willful idiot vs. if you killed someone for them accidentally making a mistake.[/QUOTE] I knew eventually the day would come when some idiot would try to justify murdering someone for flying a flag they don't like but lmfao

[QUOTE=DuCT;48256215]Oh man, that sucks. Gonna have to read his book, it sounds like an interesting read.[/QUOTE] It really doesn't sound all that interesting to me. It sounds like something that could be written in a few paragraphs as a NYT editorial

[QUOTE=Govna;48259924]These are shamefully stupid posts. You [i]do not[/i] choose your skin color, nor do you choose your hair and eye color, height, bone structure, etc. You [i]do[/i] choose what flag you want to follow, just as you choose your political beliefs, religious beliefs, personal ethics and values, etc. So no-- killing someone over their flag/political beliefs/religious beliefs is not as bad as killing someone for their skin color. It's not the same, that's how simple it is. It wouldn't be the same if you killed someone for them being a willful idiot vs. if you killed someone for them accidentally making a mistake.[/QUOTE] rpb: Killing someone over a flag is terrible. Govna: ur stupid Congratulations, Govna, you have the capacity for arguing on par with a three year old

[QUOTE=T-hunter;48260115]Killing anyone is just as bad regardless of their skin color or their political beliefs or symbol they follow[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=purvisdavid1;48260139]You said those are shamefully stupid posts, then you post this. Murder is murder, no matter the reason. How you try to say one is not as bad as the other is straight out retarded.[/QUOTE] What's retarded is how you people have no concept of proportionality. Proportionality goes hand in hand with motivation. It's one thing to be motivated to kill a person because they've done something to you to wrong you personally (or because you're a greedy and selfish bastard and just want something from them), vs. to be motivated to kill somebody because they have destructive political or religious beliefs, vs. to be motivated to kill somebody because "well they physically disgusted me; they were black/tall/fat/whatever". Intent is everything when it comes to crime, whether it's murder or assault or whatever. This attempt to oversimplify the matter by saying "well it's all the same" is ridiculous and doesn't acknowledge the validity of degrees of severity. Crimes of passion, crimes of greed, hate crimes, etc. are distinguished from one another because they are different from one another. It's one thing to kill a person because they have chosen to follow a different set of political or religious beliefs than you (whether it's neo-Nazism or some such racial/ethnic nationalist ideology, Communism, social democracy, theocratic Islam, whatever), it's something else entirely to kill a person over something they had no choice in the matter in like what color they were born. Why people do what they do, their intent that is, is important to examine and understand-- especially when it comes to criminal justice. And it's just as important to acknowledge that some reasons make more sense than others do. It makes more sense, from a general point of view, to kill someone for their political or religious beliefs (which they can control) than it does to kill them for something that they have no control over and which certainly isn't important (like their skin color): political and religious beliefs are powerful and have real life implications for how individuals live, how people around them live, and how our societies function. Killing someone just because they look different? That's absurd. It literally makes no reasonable sense beyond "I just don't like you". [editline]21st July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=DeathDoom;48260250]rpb: Killing someone over a flag is terrible. Govna: ur stupid Congratulations, Govna, you have the capacity for arguing on par with a three year old[/QUOTE] What do you expect when you're arguing with people who act like they have a three-year-old's understanding of the world?

[QUOTE=Govna;48260353]What's retarded is how you people have no concept of proportionality. [/QUOTE] You have no sense of a rational argument. Murder is murder, how are you that fucking blind. [editline]21st July 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=Govna;48260353]What do you expect when you're arguing with people who act like they have a three-year-old's understanding of the world?[/QUOTE] You're trying to think too hard into something.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;48258429]I wouldn't be surprised if this were a murder. The anti-confederate flag/ #Blacklivesmatter crowd is going nuts.[/QUOTE] I might just be misinterpreting you here but i doubt #blacklivesmatter activists conspire to murder; more like some fucking nut tried to kill this guy.

[QUOTE=0x0000000C;48256842]The old Ford Explorers are one of easiest vehicles to roll over. It looks like an accident, the passenger was just in shock from the wreck. R.I.P[/QUOTE] Absolute bullshit lie I used to drive a 91 explorer and aside from getting tboned, it was impossible to flip. The suspension just soaked sharp turns up perfectly.

[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;48260380]You have no sense of a rational argument. Murder is murder, how are you that fucking blind. [editline]21st July 2015[/editline] You're trying to think too hard into something.[/QUOTE] How do you not understand what the function of measuring intention is when examining crimes? This is an actual legal concept, you know; it's how we distinguish reckless acts from malicious acts from justifiable acts, etc. Is it really that difficult to understand? Intention is what makes an action right or wrong, so no, it isn't as simple as "murder is murder". Some acts of murder can be justified, others can't. Some have sensible reasons behind them, some don't. I don't understand why people have such difficulty understanding this. No, it's not the same to kill a person for their political beliefs as it is to kill them for their race; different intentions, different circumstances-- which means different levels of severity. They're both not equally just as bad; there's times where political violence is sensible, but violence against a person just because you don't like their looks makes no sense ever.

[QUOTE=Govna;48260507]How do you not understand what the function of measuring intention is when examining crimes? This is an actual legal concept, you know; it's how we distinguish reckless acts from malicious acts from justifiable acts, etc. Is it really that difficult to understand? Intention is what makes an action right or wrong, so no, it isn't as simple as "murder is murder". Some acts of murder can be justified, others can't. Some have sensible reasons behind them, some don't. I don't understand why people have such difficulty understanding this. No, it's not the same to kill a person for their political beliefs as it is to kill them for their race; different intentions, different circumstances-- which means different levels of severity. They're both not equally just as bad; there's times where political violence is sensible, but violence against a person just because you don't like their looks makes no sense ever.[/QUOTE] Well killing someone over a symbol which's meaning is open for interpretation is no way justifiable act of killing

[QUOTE=Govna;48260507]How do you not understand what the function of measuring intention is when examining crimes? This is an actual legal concept, you know; it's how we distinguish reckless acts from malicious acts from justifiable acts, etc. Is it really that difficult to understand? Intention is what makes an action right or wrong, so no, it isn't as simple as "murder is murder". Some acts of murder can be justified, others can't. Some have sensible reasons behind them, some don't. I don't understand why people have such difficulty understanding this. No, it's not the same to kill a person for their political beliefs as it is to kill them for their race; different intentions, different circumstances-- which means different levels of severity. They're both not equally just as bad; there's times where political violence is sensible, but violence against a person just because you don't like their looks makes no sense ever.[/QUOTE] sure it might make sense from a criminal analysis point of view but from a moral standpoint, i'm sure you can see how saying that one type of murder is 'not as bad' as the other might seem a bit iffy

[QUOTE=Govna;48260507]How do you not understand what the function of measuring intention is when examining crimes? This is an actual legal concept, you know; it's how we distinguish reckless acts from malicious acts from justifiable acts, etc. Is it really that difficult to understand? Intention is what makes an action right or wrong, so no, it isn't as simple as "murder is murder". Some acts of murder can be justified, others can't. Some have sensible reasons behind them, some don't. I don't understand why people have such difficulty understanding this. No, it's not the same to kill a person for their political beliefs as it is to kill them for their race; different intentions, different circumstances-- which means different levels of severity. They're both not equally just as bad; there's times where political violence is sensible, but violence against a person just because you don't like their looks makes no sense ever.[/QUOTE] if you're going to bring in legal terminology at least use it correctly the [i]definition[/i] of murder hinges on the fact that it is an unjustified killing; it is an oxymoron to say that murder can be justified, for it that were the case then it wouldn't be murder in the first place

That fucking sucks. poor guy.