'Pedophile's Guide' author arrested in CO by Fla. detectives - Polidicks

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;26825339]This is about as much a case of freedom of speech as publishing peoples credit card numbers on the internet is.[/QUOTE] One is doing an illegal act, the other is writing about it. If you wrote a book on how to steal and post credit card numbers that would be legal. [editline]21st December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeke129;26825403]Maybe it makes me a bad person but I'm kind of a fan of those constitutional rights[/QUOTE] Not always your not zeke :V

[QUOTE=Zeke129;26825346]Absolutely. Because unlike actually fucking kids, writing about it is protected under freedom of speech.[/QUOTE] Really? I always thought there was some kind of limitation to that.

[QUOTE=chewgo;26825283]It's not child porn because there ARE NO PICTURES. He wrote words. I remember in the synopsis of the book that it was how to keep pedophilic urges in check. How the hell does this put children in danger?[/QUOTE] Where does it say there are no pictures? Depict is generally a word i would reserve for images. And they wouldn't arrest for this if it were just text? I can understand (but disagree with) the viewpoint that CP can keep pedo urges in check, however writing a book on how to rape kiddies doesn't seem like something intended to do that. just because he says they keep pedophilic urges in check, doesn't mean they do

[QUOTE=Disgruntled;26825114]I do not agree with what he says, but I will defend to the death his right to say it.[/QUOTE] I somewhat agree with that statement, but not when it's for something that could increase child molestation because a book that teaches pedos how to get away with fucking kids is just dangerous and if I remember correctly ZEKE, freedom of speech isn't protected when it is potentially dangerous to others.

[quote=Article]Greaves has been charged with distribution of obscene material depicting minors engaged in conduct that is harmful to them.[/quote] Oh no! Imaginary minors being depicted doing acts that are harmful to them! We have to get legislation to protect these imaginary children!! [editline]20th December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Meller Yeller;26825490]I somewhat agree with that statement, but not when it's for something that could increase child molestation because a book that teaches pedos how to get away with fucking kids is just dangerous.[/QUOTE] It's not about getting away with fucking kids. It's about how to control yourself around them

aw he was my favorite author

[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;26825490]I somewhat agree with that statement, but not when it's for something that could increase child molestation because a book that teaches pedos how to get away with fucking kids is just dangerous.[/QUOTE] words are not dangerous. This is what I am trying to say. The book itself is not dangerous, it is people who are mentally ill that are dangerous.

Now the question is, did he write about how to have sex with children, or how to get it, or how it feels? Those are all different, only the last one is against the law. (a stupid law)

[QUOTE=chewgo;26825493]It's not about getting away with fucking kids. It's about how to control yourself around them[/QUOTE] But that shouldn't matter as free speech still applies

[QUOTE=Bluesummers;26825530]words are not dangerous. This is what I am trying to say. The book itself is not dangerous, it is people who are mentally ill that are dangerous.[/QUOTE] The book helps said people be dangerous.

[QUOTE=commander204;26825533]Now the question is, did he write about how to have sex with children, or how to get it, or how it feels? Those are all different, only the last one is against the law. (a stupid law)[/QUOTE] He wrote about how a pedophile should control him/herself around children. I read the synopsis when it was on Amazon, and look at the title. It's not about how to molest children. [editline]20th December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=carcarcargo;26825555]The book helps said people be dangerous.[/QUOTE] A gun helps mentally-ill people to be dangerous too. Should we ban all guns?

[QUOTE=Bluesummers;26825530]words are not dangerous.[/QUOTE] That is so wrong. Words are the fastest way to ruin someones day. Write in the local newspaper that XXX is a convicted murder hiding for years. And see how fast people will start to give him out, be it wrong or not.

chewgo, it doesn't say anywhere in this article, nor in another one i read about the same book a while ago that the book is intended to keep urges in check. Infact, despite the weak denial of the author, quite the opposite. The book is about hurting kids and getting away with it.

[QUOTE=Haxxer;26825551]But that shouldn't matter as free speech still applies[/QUOTE] If it is something that causes potential harm to others, then it is not protected by free speech. This is the same kind of case where it would be illegal to say that you want to kill the president. [editline]20th December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=chewgo;26825558]He wrote about how a pedophile should control him/herself around children. I read the synopsis when it was on Amazon, and look at the title. It's not about how to molest children. [editline]20th December 2010[/editline] A gun helps mentally-ill people to be dangerous too. Should we ban all guns?[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure shooting a gun doesn't count as SPEECH.

[QUOTE=chewgo;26825558]He wrote about how a pedophile should control him/herself around children. I read the synopsis when it was on Amazon, and look at the title. It's not about how to molest children.[/QUOTE] If that is true, then I am fully backing him.

[QUOTE=chewgo;26825558]He wrote about how a pedophile should control him/herself around children. I read the synopsis when it was on Amazon, and look at the title. It's not about how to molest children. [editline]20th December 2010[/editline] A gun helps mentally-ill people to be dangerous too. Should we ban all guns?[/QUOTE] hate to say it but don't judge a book by it's cover

[QUOTE=chewgo;26825558]He wrote about how a pedophile should control him/herself around children. I read the synopsis when it was on Amazon, and look at the title. It's not about how to molest children. [editline]20th December 2010[/editline] A gun helps mentally-ill people to be dangerous too. Should we ban all guns?[/QUOTE] If that weapon is illegally obtained and thus cannot be traced back the owner then yes. However if what you say about the book being about them trying to control themselves then I'm retract all statements.

[QUOTE=Keeshond v2;26825580]chewgo, it doesn't say anywhere in this article, nor in another one i read about the same book a while ago that the book is intended to keep urges in check. Infact, despite the weak denial of the author, quite the opposite. The book is about hurting kids and getting away with it.[/QUOTE] The Pedophile's Guide to Love and Pleasure: A Child-lover's [b]Code of Conduct[/b] Are you saying the title sounds like "how to touch kids innapropriately, and secretly"?

[QUOTE=chewgo;26825630]The Pedophile's Guide to Love and Pleasure: A Child-lover's [b]Code of Conduct[/b] Are you saying the title sounds like "how to touch kids innapropriately, and secretly"?[/QUOTE] I really hope you're not judging what the book is about by the title because if you WERE doing that, then that would be REALLY stupid.

[QUOTE=Bluesummers;26825313]again, that is just as bad as destroying it because you are effectively censoring the book entirely[/QUOTE] If I make a book on how to effectively rape kittens, that deserves to be published and distributed?

[QUOTE=chewgo;26825630]The Pedophile's Guide to Love and Pleasure: A Child-lover's [b]Code of Conduct[/b] Are you saying the title sounds like "how to touch kids innapropriately, and secretly"?[/QUOTE] Sorry but i think 'The pedophiles guide to love and pleasure' got me.

[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;26825665]I really hope you're not judging what the book is about by the title because if you WERE doing that, then that would be REALLY stupid.[/QUOTE] [url]http://www.examiner.com/us-headlines-in-national/phillip-r-greaves-ii-talks-about-his-book-the-pedophile-s-guide-to-love-and-pleasure-a-child-lover-s-code-of-conduct-which-has-now-been-pulled-from-amazon-com-video[/url] [quote=Graves]Suggestions on how to have a respectful relationship[/quote] How does this put children in danger? [editline]20th December 2010[/editline] [QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;26825725]If I make a book on how to effectively rape kittens, that deserves to be published and distributed?[/QUOTE] You deserve not to be arrested for expression your first-amendment rights at least.

[QUOTE=chewgo;26825731][url]http://www.examiner.com/us-headlines-in-national/phillip-r-greaves-ii-talks-about-his-book-the-pedophile-s-guide-to-love-and-pleasure-a-child-lover-s-code-of-conduct-which-has-now-been-pulled-from-amazon-com-video[/url][/QUOTE] examiner is a not reliable source

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;26825750]examiner is a not reliable source[/QUOTE] There's a video of him speaking, those are his words. I think that's reliable enough. [url]http://abcnews.go.com/m/screen?id=12111987[/url] [quote]Thousands of people on the Internet may be protesting Amazon's decision to continue sales of a self-published book on pedophilia, but at least one person stands by its decision: the author. Philip R. Greaves II, author of the electronic book, "The Pedophile's Guide to Love and Pleasure: a Child-lover's Code of Conduct," said he was aware of the "stinging accusations" online, but argued that his critics are misunderstanding the point of his book. "They're accusing me of wanting to hurt children. They're accusing me of encouraging pedophilia and all these other things. But that's not why I wrote the book," the 47-year-old from Pueblo, Colo., said. "I wrote the book to establish guidelines so that people would behave in a manner that is non-injurious to each other, for one, and, for two, to communicate the fact that these people who are so different in maturation, etc., that when they develop relationships, they use certain principles that regular people, adults, would be well to attend." [/quote] Is that a good enough source that tells what the book is about now? Do you understand that it's not about how to fuck children?

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;26825555]The book helps said people be dangerous.[/QUOTE] No, it does not. To assume the book causes them to be dangerous assumes they were never dangerous before. they would be pedophiles regardless of what they read. The book also details how to NOT be a sexual predator but live with your pedophilia. The delivery is just unorthodox.

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[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;26825725]If I make a book on how to effectively rape kittens, that deserves to be published and distributed?[/QUOTE] Yes, yes it does. For the same reason books on how to make your own guns are sold. It is NOT a crime till you do something illegal.

[QUOTE=bugfix;26825423]Really? I always thought there was some kind of limitation to that.[/QUOTE] There is, and this book doesn't go beyond it.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;26825627]If that weapon is illegally obtained and thus cannot be traced back the owner then yes. However if what you say about the book being about them trying to control themselves then I'm retract all statements.[/QUOTE] You should not have to register your guns with the government to begin with but that is for a entirely new thread.

[QUOTE=bugfix;26825423]Really? I always thought there was some kind of limitation to that.[/QUOTE] The limitation that I'm aware of is "clear and present danger." This book isn't anywhere near the line of that limitation.