• Germans want weed legalized, bestiality banned, according to a new government poll
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[QUOTE=Agent_Wesker;36629940]How do you know this for sure? I imagine this is one of the reasons its illegal in the first place.[/QUOTE] If the animal is harmed then we already have laws unrelated to sex to cover for that. Sometimes when farmers do physical check-ups on their animals, they have to stick their whole arm up the ass of their horses and cows. People's problem with beastiality is one of those [I]"ew, that's icky"[/I], rather than a logical problem. If they're not harmed in any way, I don't see the problem. And if they [I]are[/I] harmed, then it doesn't matter whether sex is involved or not. [editline]5th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Penultimate;36630403]Uh, animals can't give their consent. Don't they have the right to, I don't know, not get raped?[/QUOTE] Of course they shouldn't be raped. If force and violence is involved then there are already laws to account for general animal abuse. They also cannot give consent to being tamed and used as pets. Do you think using animals as pets is harmful to them? I don't. I think what we have to look for is whether or not the animal is content or in distress. If consent was the end-all issue when it comes to animals, we'd have to put all our animals into the wilderness and never interact with them, which would probably get a lot of them killed. [QUOTE]You could say the same about eating them and experimentation, but at least those are for other reasons than sexual release.[/QUOTE] None of them are actually necessary, they could all be avoided. So why are you saying that something as simple as sex should be disallowed just because you don't like the reason? Even if we assume that eating animals is absolutely necessary and unavoidable, the consequences of the two actions are still wildly different. Eating an animal requires you to take it's life. Getting sexual release with it is such a miniscule thing [I](and the animal might even want it)[/I] for the animal. [QUOTE]Also, I disagree. I'd say that an animal CAN be harmed by the action. Take a cat. They're not built to take a human penis.[/QUOTE] Right. It's illegal to physically abuse an animal, so those laws takes care of that even if beastiality was legal. You'd still have to be considerate. [editline]5th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=thisispain;36630879]right, i should support abuse of a child who can't give consent and doesn't understand what is going on because i think that weed should be legal too. and before you say that's not an appropriate analogy, in what way is abusing an animal, incapable of giving consent and understanding said sexual abuse, different from abusing a child, incapable and non-understanding in the same respect?[/QUOTE] Because consent isn't the fundamental problem here, it's the trauma and harm that is caused from it. Children are forced to go to school, without their consent. I doubt children understand everything that's going on and know the full implications of going to school, yet we still do it because it helps them. Sex is different because of plenty of reasons, but [I]"not understanding"[/I] and [I]"not being able to give legal consent"[/I] isn't the end-all-be-all of the issue, it's more complex than that. Basically; children will be fucked over by it in the future, animals wont give a fuck unless physical abuse is involved.
Would any of the rape or hurting the animal count if the animal is the one doing the fucking? I mean its not like you can make them hump you. That means that the animal wants to. Im thinking about this from a logical perspective.
A dog would probably rape you if it catches you with your pants down and is in the mood.
Beastiality aside, I really hope they go through with legalizing weed soon. Hell, I really hope [I]any[/I] country does it. Germany doing it would definitely get the wheels turning here in Denmark, in fact, the media has a bit of a focus on drugs in general lately. Maybe if Germany legalized weed, we'd finally get some unbiased discussions about drugs. Wasn't Canada going to decriminalize it, too?
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;36633659]Wasn't Canada going to decriminalize it, too?[/QUOTE] Weed is already [I]decriminalized[/I] in Germany since 1994. AFAIK: Possession of up to 5 grams is legal. Possession of up to a certain amount above 5 grams is only tolerated (the amount varying from state to state though), but consuming it in public and selling it is still illegal and could get you prosecuted.
[QUOTE=zakedodead;36630762]I like how on one hand you guys are toting freedom for weed legalization but on the other are like [i]ewwww sex with animals[/i][/QUOTE] Are you seriously suggesting they are even remotely similar? Or have I read that out of context. I'm pretty sure I'd sooner smoke a joint than fuck a penguin.
[QUOTE=Gordon Frohm;36633829]Weed is already [I]decriminalized[/I] in Germany since 1994. AFAIK: Possession of up to 5 grams is legal. Possession of up to a certain amount above 5 grams is only tolerated (the amount varying from state to state though), but consuming it in public and selling it is still illegal and could get you prosecuted.[/QUOTE] Interesting. I didn't know that, and I'm not sure but the situation may be somewhat similar in Denmark. But decrimalization would still be a step forward if it happens in countries where weed used to be strictly illegal.
[QUOTE=- Livewire -;36633852]Are you seriously suggesting they are even remotely similar? Or have I read that out of context. I'm pretty sure I'd sooner smoke a joint than fuck a penguin.[/QUOTE] that's his point the reactions here are just kneejerk emotional and tribal signaling [I]yay for weed! boo for bestiality![/I]
[QUOTE=Gordon Frohm;36633829]Weed is already [I]decriminalized[/I] in Germany since 1994. AFAIK: Possession of up to 5 grams is legal. Possession of up to a certain amount above 5 grams is only tolerated (the amount varying from state to state though), but consuming it in public and selling it is still illegal and could get you prosecuted.[/QUOTE] Then why is "AMSTERDAM WEED COUNTRY OF THE WORLD SMOKE WEED 420 24/7" then? It is exactly the same in the Netherlands as you just said.
[QUOTE=mobrockers2;36633939]Then why is "AMSTERDAM WEED COUNTRY OF THE WORLD SMOKE WEED 420 24/7" then? It is exactly the same in the Netherlands as you just said.[/QUOTE] Because in Amsterdam you can sell weed in shops? [editline]5th July 2012[/editline] No idea if that's legal in the Netherlands, but quite obviously it is tolerated. [editline]5th July 2012[/editline] There is no way to buy or sell weed legally in Germany.
in a lot of countries owning is legal but selling and buying are not. same for growing i think, [editline]5th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Gordon Frohm;36634102]Because in Amsterdam you can sell weed in shops? [editline]5th July 2012[/editline] No idea if that's legal in the Netherlands, but quite obviously it is tolerated. [editline]5th July 2012[/editline] There is no way to buy or sell weed legally in Germany.[/QUOTE] actually a terminal patient got a court ruling allowing him to buy weed
[QUOTE=Gordon Frohm;36634102]Because in Amsterdam you can sell weed in shops? [editline]5th July 2012[/editline] No idea if that's legal in the Netherlands, but quite obviously it is tolerated. [editline]5th July 2012[/editline] There is no way to buy or sell weed legally in Germany.[/QUOTE] Ah okay, so the only difference is that you're allowed to buy it (even though shop's aren't allowed to keep a stock of more than 5 grams or something ridiculous like that).
Aside from all the morale and consent problems it would cause, wouldn't buttfucking / being buttfucked by an animal be a huge risk to get diseases? As much as I love paying monthly for my public healthcare system which spares me the fear of having to sell everything someday because of huge medical bills, I'm not sure if I'd be willing to give this money for people who caught some unknown crap because they wanted to rape an animal / have them insert their meat down their.
Okay now I know a bunch of facepunchers I want to report to any animal shelters near them
[QUOTE=Inspecter;36630558]No, We Germans expertise in Scat porn. Not so much bestiality porn. That would be the Southern U.S. that does that.[/QUOTE] I thought the Southern US specialised in incest? I can't keep up with all these regional fetishes!
Sounds like just about every other place in the world nowadays. Though all admit, I'm gonna miss stickin' it in my goats every now and then.
[QUOTE=thisispain;36630879]right, i should support abuse of a child who can't give consent and doesn't understand what is going on because i think that weed should be legal too. and before you say that's not an appropriate analogy, in what way is abusing an animal, incapable of giving consent and understanding said sexual abuse, different from abusing a child, incapable and non-understanding in the same respect?[/QUOTE] You can euthanise animals when they're not even capable of giving permission, but you can't euthanise people (well in most countries) even when they practically beg for it Btw, i'm making an argument that euthanisation should be legal, not that I love buggering goats
You can cut a chickens head off and watch it run around legally but you can't stick your wiener in it's bunghole? [editline]5th July 2012[/editline] Oh god I'm gonna have a title by the end of this.
[QUOTE=- Livewire -;36633852]Are you seriously suggesting they are even remotely similar? Or have I read that out of context. I'm pretty sure I'd sooner smoke a joint than fuck a penguin.[/QUOTE] The context is both of them were mentioned in the goddamn thread title and article, and everyone is having reactions to each. Anyways, I don't really care about the weed thing since I don't smoke weed nor am I close with anyone who does, but I honestly did not know germany practiced the art of dog-buggery. I thought that was denmark's market.
I hope Germany goes through with it, then perhaps Sweden will follow suit.
[QUOTE=Inspecter;36630558]No, We Germans expertise in Scat porn. Not so much bestiality porn. That would be the Southern U.S. that does that.[/QUOTE] No that would be the Pacific Northwest. Learn your stereotypes.
[QUOTE=RBM11;36637829]No that would be the Pacific Northwest. Learn your stereotypes.[/QUOTE]No we're just the ones that die from it.
And on a sidenote I just read through three pages of creepy fucks advocating for the right to fuck animals.
[QUOTE=thisispain;36630879]right, i should support abuse of a child who can't give consent and doesn't understand what is going on because i think that weed should be legal too. and before you say that's not an appropriate analogy, in what way is abusing an animal, incapable of giving consent and understanding said sexual abuse, different from abusing a child, incapable and non-understanding in the same respect?[/QUOTE]Animals have sex, FUN FACT. [QUOTE=RBM11;36637856]And on a sidenote I just read through three pages of creepy fucks advocating for the right to fuck animals.[/QUOTE] Welcome to the internet?
[QUOTE=Crimptor;36629306]Really? How do you know?[/QUOTE] whoops this is a slow reply i used to talk to PQNY on steam, apparently HQRSE convinced him into coming out about his horsefucker thing by saying he did it too he just sort of stopped existing over a year ago so
PQNY was an attention seeking retard sperglord anyway he literally jacked off to people scorning him for the horse fetish thing it was weird [editline]5th July 2012[/editline] why are we talking about that freak anyway
[QUOTE=latin_geek;36634654]Okay now I know a bunch of facepunchers I want to report to any animal shelters near them[/QUOTE] Someone thinks the arguments for banning bestiality don't have a lot of ground to them, therefore they fuck animals. Yeah, that's some real great reasoning, there. [editline]5th July 2012[/editline] This whole "with us or against us" thing I see so often really pisses me off. It isn't just black and white, and sooner or later, people need to realize that. [editline]5th July 2012[/editline] That goes for damn near any debate here.
[QUOTE=Disgruntled;36639844]Someone thinks the arguments for banning bestiality don't have a lot of ground to them, therefore they fuck animals. Yeah, that's some real great reasoning, there. [editline]5th July 2012[/editline] This whole "with us or against us" thing I see so often really pisses me off. It isn't just black and white, and sooner or later, people need to realize that. [editline]5th July 2012[/editline] That goes for damn near any debate here.[/QUOTE] Nope anyone who wants to legalize anything has to personally do it to advocate it.
[QUOTE=zakedodead;36636846]You can cut a chickens head off and watch it run around legally but you can't stick your wiener in it's bunghole? [editline]5th July 2012[/editline] Oh god I'm gonna have a title by the end of this.[/QUOTE] I'm fairly sure just cutting your chickens head off for fun would be counted as animal abuse, assuming Germany's animal rights laws aren't retarded (although if bumming your dog is legal they probably are).
What the actual fuck is going on in this thread.
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