Germans want weed legalized, bestiality banned, according to a new government poll
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No, I was saying that the population considers it fucked up and wants it to be illegal. Reading over it, that wasn't clear.
Honestly you're pretty much arguing for klan meetings to be legal at this point. I won't be the one to do it but you can expect a title before this thread is over.
[QUOTE=_jesterk;36640773]No, I was saying that the population considers it fucked up and wants it to be illegal. Reading over it, that wasn't clear.
Honestly you're pretty much arguing for klan meetings to be legal at this point. I won't be the one to do it but you can expect a title before this thread is over.[/QUOTE]
As much as we all hate them, their meetings break no laws. But we're getting a little off-track here.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;36640706]Let me put it this way. If having sex with an animal would save a persons life, then I'd accept it, same as how if an animal is killed and is used to save lives through research or feeding people then I see it as fine. However since sex with an animal is purely recreational I cannot say I agree with it at all and is, from what I can see, animal abuse.[/QUOTE]
Right. I guess I can see where you're coming [I](even though strictly speaking I still think it is a double standard)[/I] from, if we're only talking about actually abusive sex.
But why would you outlaw sexual activity if it didn't harm them at all? Like, for example if your dog starts humping you and you don't stop it. Would this only be acceptable if it would save someone's life?
You seem to be implying that all sexual activity with animals will be harmful no matter what, but I don't think that is the case. Just as you can be a horrible pet owner and a good pet owner, sexual activity can also both be done in gruesome ways and in considerate ways.
And if you allow me to lean up this vegan territory fence, I could point out again that killing animals [I]isn't[/I] absolutely necessary. When it comes to food, we could live like vegetarians. We just don't want to because it would be bothersome and because we like the taste. Keeping that in mind, our reasons for making food from animals is basically, [I]"because I like it"[/I].
I think that's about as good of a reason as recreation. Especially considering that one of these cases involves taking the life of an animal, whereas the other doesn't even have to contain harm at all.
[QUOTE]Honestly you're pretty much arguing for klan meetings to be legal at this point. I won't be the one to do it but you can expect a title before this thread is over.[/QUOTE]
Right. I [I]do[/I] actually think anyone should be allowed to say whatever they want. So that includes klan meetings. But I think zakedodead already put it perfectly;
"I support your right to do that, I don't support your right to lynch a black guy though because he would get harmed. "
But reproduction doesn't occur "because I like it".
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;36640802]Right. I guess I can see where you're coming [I](even though strictly speaking I still think it is a double standard)[/I] from, if we're only talkingabout actually abusive sex.
But why would you outlaw sexual activity if it didn't harm them at all? Like, for example if your dog starts humping you and you don't stop it. Would this only be acceptable if it would save someone's life?
You seem to be implying that all sexual activity with animals will be harmful no matter what, but I don't think that is the case. Just as you can be a horrible pet owner and a good pet owner, sexual activity can also both be done in gruesome ways and in considerate ways.
And if you allow me to lean up this vegan territory fence, I could point out again that killing animals [I]isn't[/I] absolutely necessary. When it comes to food, we could live like vegetarians. We just don't want to because it would be bothersome and because we like the taste. Keeping that in mind, our reasons for making food from animals is basically, [I]"because I like it"[/I].
I think that's about as good of a reason as recreation. Especially considering that one of these cases involves taking the life of someone, whereas the other doesn't even have to contain harm at all.
Right. I [I]do[/I] actually think anyone should be allowed to say whatever they want. So that includes klan meetings. But I think zakedodead already put it perfectly;
"I support your right to do that, I don't support your right to lynch a black guy though because he would get harmed. "[/QUOTE]
If a dog started humping you then I couldn't care less, it's weird as fuck, but I don't care, I only care about forced sex that could hurt it.
Also getting all the right nutrients from only vegetables is incredibly hard, most vegans I've seen tend to be fairly sickly, and there is also the case of the ki who died due to it's vegan parents not feeding it properly.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;36640879]If a dog started humping you then I couldn't care less, it's weird as fuck, but I don't care, I only care about forced sex that could hurt it.[/QUOTE]
That's what we call rape. Rape is harmful to [I]everyone[/I].
[QUOTE]Also getting all the right nutrients from only vegetables is incredibly hard, most vegans I've seen tend to be fairly sickly[/QUOTE]
And this is why I was apprehensive about leaning up the vegan fence, but I'm sure a real vegan would be able to argue this case much better than I am. I am merely a wannabe hippy that doesn't have the gumption to go all the way.
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;36640916]That's what we call rape. Rape is harmful to [I]everyone[/I].
And this is why I was apprehensive about leaning up the vegan fence, but I'm sure a real vegan would be able to argue this case much better than I am. I am merely a wannabe hippy that doesn't have the gumption to go all the way.[/QUOTE]
I'm also incredibly fussy about food tastes and I find vegetables hard to keep down so that's another reason why I'd rather not ban eating animals, bit selfish but I'd starve to death otherwise.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;36640944]I'm also incredibly fussy about food tastes and I find vegetables hard to keep down so that's another reason why I'd rather not ban eating animals, bit selfish but I'd starve to death otherwise.[/QUOTE]
Right. I can't believe you'd [I]actually starve to death[/I], you'd have to get used to eating vegetables. Which is bothersome and annoying and it doesn't taste as good and it's hard to keep down and so on and so on. But we're not [I]really[/I] going to die if we banned meat. If meat was banned, there'd be a lot more vegan products available I think, and I'm sure a lot of it is great, we just hardly see any of it right now because meat simply outshadows it.
But ultimately, our decision to kill animals for food is based on [I]"I like my meat."[/I]
Except you get nutrients in meat that you wouldn't get from living your life off plants.
Eating nothing but vegetables and fruit is really unhealthy. It causes your libido to drop to almost nothing and you'd probably have decreased stamina and strength due to decreased amounts of protein.
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Okay woah, off-topic much? Sorry about that.
[QUOTE=_jesterk;36641022]Except you get nutrients in meat that you wouldn't get from living your life off plants.
Eating nothing but vegetables and fruit is really unhealthy.[/QUOTE]
I can't claim to be an expert on this subject, but I'm pretty sure those nutrients in meat you're talking about... That they come from plants.
Here's basically my source of vegan knowledge, which is admittedly not very good:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=es6U00LMmC4#t=2696s[/url]
At this part of the video he starts to name a bunch of vegan products. I think it's pathetic that vegan products are trying to emulate meat products rather than being their own thing, but I don't think being a vegetarian / vegan is inherently unhealthy.
But my idea of why living as a vegan is so hard, is exactly because meat is so prevalent. You have to keep a good track of what you eat when you're avoiding half of what society offers. But if meat was gone all together, and everyting was replaced with vegan products, it wouldn't be hard at all because there would be beans and whatever everywhere.
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;36641078]I can't claim to be an expert on this subject, but I'm pretty sure those nutrients in meat you're talking about... That they come from plants.[/QUOTE]
yeah but animals have enzymes to make shit that plants can't, it's difficult to find plants in nature that have the stuff we need
not impossible mind, but pretty cumbersome
hemp protein is delicous
This thread is amazing, it went to a weed discussion, to a beastiality dicussion, to a vegan discussion.
[QUOTE=codemaster85;36641306]This thread is amazing, it went to a weed discussion, to a beastiality dicussion, to a vegan discussion.[/QUOTE]
If this thread is anything like the conversations my friends have it will soon end up being about either Star Trek or Doctor Who. I'm sure one of the actors in one of those shows was a vegan, right?
[QUOTE=codemaster85;36641306]This thread is amazing, it went to a weed discussion, to a beastiality dicussion, to a vegan discussion.[/QUOTE]
Back to weed.
[QUOTE=Chicken_Chaser;36641170]hemp protein is delicous[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=QwertySecond;36632351]I could swear I read somewhere that buggering a horse can give you a flesh eating disease.
[sp]I know you're joking[/sp][/QUOTE]
I'm really not. Given the option I would rather be forecefully raped by a horse than see my town / state / country further filled with pot smokers.
[QUOTE=Sobek-;36642075]I'm really not. Given the option I would rather be forecefully raped by a horse than see my town / state / country further filled with pot smokers.[/QUOTE]
Looks like you could use some life experience under your belt, there, kiddo.
[QUOTE=archangel125;36642339]Looks like you could use some life experience under your belt, there, kiddo.[/QUOTE]
You simply have no grounds on which to base that statement, but thank you anyway. My opinion still stands.
[QUOTE=Sobek-;36643558]You simply have no grounds on which to base that statement, but thank you anyway. My opinion still stands.[/QUOTE]
Well I don't think you've ever been around people who smoke pot. If you did, you'd know that they're the most harmless of all drug users. They sit down, they smoke a joint (or a bowl or a bong etc.), then they get hungry. That's it. They don't get angry, they don't try to hurt anyone, they just chill. How can being assfucked by a horse be preferable to that, I wonder?
carcarcargo, it is legal in Germany to fuck animals in a way that causes them no harm (them starting humping you etc.), anything else is not legal. But this doesn't mean you can't stick a penis in it, female dogs hump people as well, and they don't have to hump you for it to be non harmful.
No one here is advocating animal rape or sexual abuse, but simply that in a free world, even if it's democratic, things like this should be legal, as long as no one is harmed. Even if 99% of the people think it's [i]icky[/i], in most current legal systems (including germany) it's the government's job to prevent the mass (99%) from voting against something that does no harm, but is seen as icky. Bestiality has no downside for anyone, as long as it's not forced onto the animal and should therefore be a right for any animal and human to practice.
[QUOTE=Xenomoose;36643789]Well I don't think you've ever been around people who smoke pot. If you did, you'd know that they're the most harmless of all drug users. They sit down, they smoke a joint (or a bowl or a bong etc.), then they get hungry. That's it. They don't get angry, they don't try to hurt anyone, they just chill. How can being assfucked by a horse be preferable to that, I wonder?[/QUOTE]
Probably learnt his knowledge of weed from this video:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bM_vLk1I6G4[/media]
[QUOTE=archangel125;36640404]Technically, it's a very gray area. Speaking in terms of consent, etc. But coming to that conclusion requires a lot of thought about things most normal people would rather not think about.[/QUOTE]
If we're going to allow fucking animals because they can't comprehend what's happening to them and they won't be scared for life by it, then what's stopping us from fucking mentally challenged children or comatose orphans. I simply don't think people should fuck anything that doesn't have a developed mind and can give real consent.
An animal can give consent to sex, seriously.
[QUOTE=SEKCobra;36644469]carcarcargo, it is legal in Germany to fuck animals in a way that causes them no harm (them starting humping you etc.), anything else is not legal. But this doesn't mean you can't stick a penis in it, female dogs hump people as well, and they don't have to hump you for it to be non harmful. [/QUOTE]
I guess that's not as bad, still... who's the ones making sure things are being done in the legal non-harmful way?
Who is making sure you aren't raping your kids?
No one is watching you and surveying your sexlife, it's no ones business, but just like child abuse, others can and should notice signals the animal (child) sends out and report it to the authorities.
[QUOTE=SEKCobra;36646407]Who is making sure you aren't raping your kids?
No one is watching you and surveying your sexlife, it's no ones business, but just like child abuse, others can and should notice signals the animal (child) sends out and report it to the authorities.[/QUOTE]
It just seems like banning bestiality all together would be an easier way to prevent misconceptions of the legality round the matter. It doesn't feel like fucking animals should be a necessary right when it is something that is taking advantage of another beings undeveloped mind for sexual pleasure and also possibly harming them in a way that is not easy to detect and prevent by outside forces.
So you are saying lets make the legal part illegal because you can't tell the already illegal part. So its illegal for the people who actually have a love connection or w/e and take away more freedom, maybe catching some of the "good guys" but the actual abusers will stay unharmed.
[QUOTE=SEKCobra;36646495]So you are saying lets make the legal part illegal because you can't tell the already illegal part. So its illegal for the people who actually have a love connection or w/e and take away more freedom, maybe catching some of the "good guys" but the actual abusers will stay unharmed.[/QUOTE]
In a case where it is very hard to determine the consent and the practice can potentially end up causing a lot of harm with a low detection rate, I'd say it would be a sacrifice for the greater good. How would the actual abusers be more likely than the "good guys" to stay unharmed anyway? I'm saying make a legal part illegal because it's hard to prevent it from being done in an illegal way.
Because they are the ones that are just raping their dog or something.
[QUOTE=SEKCobra;36646553]Because they are the ones that are just raping their dog or something.[/QUOTE]
Well, banning bestiality would prevent them from having the misconception that what they're doing is legal. It would make it so anyone who suspects someone of bestiality can report them, instead of thinking that what they are doing is legal. On some cases it might criminalize some people who did not harm their animals, but in the long run it would prevent unnecessary abuse of animals.
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