Cards Against Humanity apologises for "transphobic" card - Polidicks

[QUOTE=EmperorKabuto;45200178]Except you'll notice there is no N-word card, no cards of religious slurs, and no other slurs towards sexualities in the game?[/QUOTE] It's not a slur unless it's specifically used against a transwoman/man. transvestite is valid terminology to describe someone who crossdresses as a sexual fetish. If you actually read any of the posts explaining it you would understand. [QUOTE=EmperorKabuto;45200178]Except you'll notice there is no N-word card, no cards of religious slurs, and no other slurs towards sexualities in the game?[/QUOTE] Transgender isn't a sexuality, it's to do with gender identity.

[QUOTE=EmperorKabuto;45200178]Except you'll notice there is no N-word card, no cards of religious slurs, and no other slurs towards sexualities in the game?[/QUOTE] Transvestite is a more polite term than "tranny" - if they wanted to make it more offensive they certainly could have.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;45199972]Oh my god why would you apologize it's one of the most useful cards in the game [editline]24th June 2014[/editline] And even then Transvestites don't get the right to be offended. That's like saying something akin to fucking "Fursecution" or whatever, jesus. Transvestites are the ones who dress up as the other sex for fetishist pleasure. It has _nothing_ to do with the LGBT spectrum.[/QUOTE] What? That card sucks I've never seen it win

At least he didn't burn the best card in the game, dead babies.

[QUOTE=Grandzeit;45200186]There's plenty of that kind of stuff in CAH, what are you talking about[/QUOTE] There are no slurs. There are cards like "The gays", but the word "faggot" is not used once. Believe me, there's plenty of offensive stuff. But I have yet to see an actual slur used in the cards.

Remember the CAH disclaimer: [I]"I am a terrible person."[/I]

but transvestites are a real thing? like, there are people who have absolutely no stake in gender politics who like to dress up in the opposite sex's clothing. yeah it has the connotations but it's pretty obvious what it was referring to, CAH hardly has a viewpoint on anything

[QUOTE=RAG Frag;45199563]Being a transvestite and being transsexual aren't equivalent because they share the suffix trans are they Trans fats ban is transphobic, transformers is transphobic[/QUOTE] Transvestites and Transsexuals are both considered Transgender. Also it's a prefix.

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;45200270]Transvestites and Transsexuals are both considered Transgender. Also it's a prefix.[/QUOTE] sorry, explain to me why transvestites are considered transgender? my understanding of a transvestite is someone who dresses up in the clothes of the opposite sex for sexual gratification. it's not something to do with their identity. they just like the clothes.

[QUOTE=lintz;45200288]sorry, explain to me why transvestites are considered transgender? my understanding of a transvestite is someone who dresses up in the clothes of the opposite sex for sexual gratification. it's not something to do with their identity. they just like the clothes.[/QUOTE] Transgender is an umbrella term which includes transsexuals, crossdressers, transvestites, drag queens/kings, intersex and androgynous people.

I don't see how "transvestite" could be considered a slur while "cross-dresser" is fine. It's almost just a literal Latin translation for cross-dresser. Tranny, on the other hand, is clearly a bastardization of the term and it's pretty obvious how that can come to mean something hateful.

this sucks, i want more of these cards and more offensive ones to boot

Why can I still not buy these from them god dammit.

Hey folks- I know this kid in real life. Not closely, but we definitely know each other. He's actually a very friendly dude and very understanding. While he is very involved in the social justice community and while it may seem like he's taking part in the typical tumblr outrage culture, I just thought I'd shed some light on it- he is in fact FtM and has been through a [I]lot[/I] of shit dealing with it and other people in our community, if I'm not mistaken. On the original post on Facebook of this whole burning the cards thing I talked with him about it a bit because I didn't quite agree with his choices and he actually was very amicable. It is his property and if he wishes to remove a card that affects him (which, it does- again, he's been through a lot and honestly if he doesn't feel like dealing with that card in his own deck then all power to him). The only reason he burned it was because he likes fire, as he admitted. One of his friends even talked about removing other offensive cards like "smallpox blankets," "Auchwitz," "poorly timed Holocaust jokes," etc. and when I called him(?) out for being stupid and TOTALLY missing the point of the game where Jonah had really personal reasons to remove his card, Jonah more or less agreed. Now the poor kid is plastered all over the internet- Buzzfeed just put up an article with his face and full name and used quotes from his personal life without his permission and he's not too happy about it. Don't give him too much shit, guys. He's a very nice man and has just got caught up in things. [editline]24th June 2014[/editline] I will say though that the creator had [I]no[/I] reason to apologize. If he had said "I'm sorry I offended you based on your close personal life experiences," that'd be fine. But there is no reason to remove any cards from the game or apologize for them. Yes, even the "date rape" card. It's literally advertised as "a card game for horrible people." The minute you start prioritizing one card as "too offensive" in a game like that, you're missing the point of your own game

[QUOTE=TehMentos;45199860]Nothing like some good old self-censorship. I thought CAH were funny, but this type of bending over to criticism "just because it's transphobic" is pathetic.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Grandzeit;45200169] This is about Cards Against Humanity. It's SUPPOSED to be offensive and stupid. That's the gist of it, and that's what people are defending here. [/QUOTE] I've met Max Temkin before. He's huge on personal values and he's a really understanding person. If a card truly makes someone feel like less of a person Max will take the card out of play, as he has the right to do. The point of the game was never to be as offensive as possible, just to be as funny as possible. CAH may have a lot of cards that are in extremely poor taste, but the funny comes from players creating the context to create an offensive joke. [QUOTE=Clovernoodle;45200483]words [/QUOTE] Oh hey, another dude that knows max!

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;45200270]Transvestites are considered Transgender. Also it's a prefix.[/QUOTE] They shouldn't be. Transvestites are the exact opposite of anything LGBT. They fetishize the activity of crossdressing and do it only for sexual gratification. It's a disgusting bastardization of gender identity and I'd rather not affiliate myself with perverts like that.

[QUOTE=Venezuelan;45199765]Because Facepunch cares about tumblr more than tumblr does[/QUOTE] Actually...fuckers won't shut up about tumblr on tumblr.

This really kind of messes with the light atmosphere. Apologizing for a particular card being offensive kind of implies that it's "more offensive" than the other cards in a way. I'm sure people who have lost family due to the holocaust were offended by certain cards. People who have lost infant family may have been offended by the dead babies card. Apologizing for this card almost makes it seem like he cares about this issue but not those issues. I think everyone would have been better off if he hadn't made a statement at all or kept it along the lines of "Hey, it's shock comedy. That's how it works." [editline]24th June 2014[/editline] I'm basically trying to say this. [QUOTE=Clovernoodle;45200483]I will say though that the creator had [I]no[/I] reason to apologize. If he had said "I'm sorry I offended you based on your close personal life experiences," that'd be fine. But there is no reason to remove any cards from the game or apologize for them. Yes, even the "date rape" card. It's literally advertised as "a card game for horrible people." The minute you start prioritizing one card as "too offensive" in a game like that, you're missing the point of your own game[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Fatfatfatty;45199433]I thought the point of cards against humanity was to be as offensive as possible, I haven't played it myself, but that's my general understanding of it.[/QUOTE] You forget that it's okay to be intolerant and offensive to other people that don't have the exact same mindset as you. you just need to have a tumblr account and a chart talking about "privilage".

So uhh...what's the outrage about here? The creators have already said "yeah...we didn't think that one through properly really", and removed it of their own will once it had been brought to their attention. They weren't coerced into removing it (if they were big enough assholes they would have used the excuse that it's a game for awful people so deal with it), they wouldn't exactly lose much money by keeping it in either, and they aren't going to lose much by removing it because the card was pretty shit to play really. There's no issue here at all but a bunch of buttfrustrated "muh freedoms" guys complaining about a choice the designers of the game made (guess what, your so-called "freedoms" aren't something the designers have to care about). If you want the card, play it using the blank cards and quit fucking whining. The game hasn't lost anything by this particular card being removed, the one and only real slur in the game at that. It's still going to be perfectly enjoyable without the card.

[QUOTE=Clovernoodle;45200483]Hey folks- I know this kid-[/QUOTE] as in every other crazy headline about things like this, everybody can come to the same conclusion if they actually read into it- The person always ends up being way more cool and understanding, just caught up with a personal thing being blasted across media with omitted context to garner more clicks. 90% of the dumb shit posted up to tumblr that we all laugh at is just over the top garbage people post thinking just their friends would see it. The humor has always been "oh man i'M CRAZY!!" amongst the general community, so we've already got Poe's law to consider with anything 'outrageous'. Even then, any attempt at intentionally getting attention and notes will end up with maybe 5 people clicking 'like', but god forbid I take a [url=http://daisura.tumblr.com/post/75572253312]picture[/url] of me holding a pop can backwards to make fun of a friend's post, 'cause it's getting 50k, getting iterated across 9gag with memes, then dragged through my own facebook feed

[QUOTE=Clovernoodle;45200483]Hey folks- I know this kid in real life. Not closely, but we definitely know each other. He's actually a very friendly dude and very understanding. While he is very involved in the social justice community and while it may seem like he's taking part in the typical tumblr outrage culture, I just thought I'd shed some light on it- he is in fact FtM and has been through a [I]lot[/I] of shit dealing with it and other people in our community, if I'm not mistaken. ..... Don't give him too much shit, guys. He's a very nice man and has just got caught up in things. [/QUOTE] Just because someone is a "nice guy" doesn't mean you can't be really stupid. Saying "don't give him shit for getting caught up in things" is stupid. I'm not saying harass him or anything, but he made a stance and a voice for his opinion, but now that he's getting negative responses we should just not debate how stupid this whole thing is?

[QUOTE=asteroidrules;45200270]Transvestites and Transsexuals are both considered Transgender. Also it's a prefix.[/QUOTE] Sorry didn't realise that, feeling kind of ignorant of the subject so reading up on it now. [QUOTE=Zillamaster55;45200548]They shouldn't be. Transvestites are the exact opposite of anything LGBT. They fetishize the activity of crossdressing and do it only for sexual gratification. It's a disgusting bastardization of gender identity and I'd rather not affiliate myself with perverts like that.[/QUOTE] Thats uh, an extreme view

[QUOTE=The mouse;45199432]But they have much worse cards in the deck. Why is this card so harmful in particular?[/QUOTE] Because don't you dare make jokes about the beautiful innocent untouchable perfect pedestaled transgender community. Even when it doesn't actually have anything to do with the transgender community. You fucking bigot.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;45200548]They shouldn't be. Transvestites are the exact opposite of anything LGBT. They fetishize the activity of crossdressing and do it only for sexual gratification. It's a disgusting bastardization of gender identity and I'd rather not affiliate myself with perverts like that.[/QUOTE] How does the motivation behind transvestites' crossdressing have any impact on transgender people? Obviously the [I]act[/I] has an impact, but the fact that they're doing it for sexual gratification shouldn't impact anyone else in the slightest.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;45200548]They shouldn't be. Transvestites are the exact opposite of anything LGBT. They fetishize the activity of crossdressing and do it only for sexual gratification. It's a disgusting bastardization of gender identity and I'd rather not affiliate myself with perverts like that.[/QUOTE] What's wrong with fetishizing the activity? Is gender identity a sacred cow or something?

You know what would be hilarious? If they apologized for this, then added a new card that pokes more fun at the whole concept of this fiasco.

[QUOTE=lintz;45199542]i also distinctly remember commenting on that post because the card expressly states "transvestites". not transgender. transvestite. y'know, transvestite being someone who just likes to wear the clothes of the opposite gender and transgender wanting to [I]be[/I] the opposite gender?? or i guess wanting to be whatever gender they fucking want because of all this genderfluid fucking whatever stuff that they tend to go on about and somehow that's categorised under LGBT? ?? [editline]24th June 2014[/editline] almost certain it's a FtM transgender person.[/QUOTE] The only thing I want to pick at here is that transgender people don't want to be the opposite gender, they [i]are[/i] the opposite gender but they don't conform to the norms expected by people of that gender because they were born the wrong sex (i.e. they look different) and were raised differently because of it. I for example was born in a male body however my brain tells me I am a woman and that my body doesn't fit i.e. it's missing some rather important and sensitive parts! But I try not to make a massive deal about it, I don't get offended easily and I don't express my feelings to a lot of people. I've played this card before and it's a difficult card to make funny but I personally don't find it offensive because I don't consider myself a transvestite. But I will agree all this gender umbrella stuff can be a bit fucking stupid at times.

[QUOTE=Zillamaster55;45200548]They shouldn't be. Transvestites are the exact opposite of anything LGBT. They fetishize the activity of crossdressing and do it only for sexual gratification. It's a disgusting bastardization of gender identity and I'd rather not affiliate myself with perverts like that.[/QUOTE] You should totally watch the Rocky Horror Picture Show

[QUOTE=hexpunK;45200633]So uhh...what's the outrage about here? The creators have already said "yeah...we didn't think that one through properly really", and removed it of their own will once it had been brought to their attention. They weren't coerced into removing it (if they were big enough assholes they would have used the excuse that it's a game for awful people so deal with it), they wouldn't exactly lose much money by keeping it in either, and they aren't going to lose much by removing it because the card was pretty shit to play really. There's no issue here at all but a bunch of buttfrustrated "muh freedoms" guys complaining about a choice the designers of the game made (guess what, your so-called "freedoms" aren't something the designers have to care about). If you want the card, play it using the blank cards and quit fucking whining. The game hasn't lost anything by this particular card being removed, the one and only real slur in the game at that. It's still going to be perfectly enjoyable without the card.[/QUOTE] I think the outrage comes from the fact that the designers of the game are removing a card because it's viewed as offensive, in a game where the point is to deliberately be as offensive as possible. It presents a problem because it sort of draws a line in the sand for what is and what isnt "too offensive" to have in the game. I mean someone might be legitimately offended by the holocaust joke card, should that be removed as well? [editline]e[/editline] I mean really I could take your post and use it verbatim as an argument for getting rid of [I]any[/I] card that I didnt like or found offensive