Trump team tells GOP he has been 'projecting an image', promises to improve shitty personal ratings
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"I love Trump because he doesn't give a fuck about the establishment and just speaks his mind!" - Almost every Trump supporter.
Well, this is awkward.
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;50182810]I honestly don't know what to think. You either have a Trump who believes in his terrible policies, or a Trump who will say just about anything to get the vote.[/QUOTE]
He likely doesn't, that's probably why there are people that call him a total wild card. As Jim Webb said “If you're voting for Donald Trump, you may get something very good or very bad,”
But but I thought he spoke his mind!
Trump's abortion fuck up shows exactly how his policies come about. He clearly doesn't actually give a shit about the issue, so he made a guess ('The woman should be punished!') at what the typical conservative would like to hear, and immediately backpeddled when he realised he'd gone too far.
[QUOTE=Durandal;50182647]This is very much in-line with what I thought he'd do once he wraps up the nomination. Earlier in a townhall he said he'd be very much in favor of raising taxes on the very rich, himself included, though I'd take that with a grain of salt.[/QUOTE]
Wouldnt be shocked, he of all people understands that the rich have more than enough to spare. Watch the trump presidency usher us into a golden age
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;50184605]Wouldnt be shocked, he of all people understands that the rich have more than enough to spare. Watch the trump presidency usher us into a golden age[/QUOTE]
Golden shower age maybe.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50181511]Yeah uh that's called lying.
But it's Trump, who would be surprised?[/QUOTE]
That's called projecting an image
[QUOTE=TheFilmSlacker;50181458]I wonder how the people who already voted for him feel.[/QUOTE]
Probably pretty good, especially now that the thing most trumpsters spewed turned out to be true
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;50186457]That's called projecting an image[/QUOTE]
It's called blatantly lying.
[QUOTE=AlexConnor;50181427]Ahahahahaha
Called it, Trump's been playing his supporters for fools to win the nomination and will now shamelessly renege on everything and go back to being the near-liberal he was 10 years ago.[/QUOTE]
Keep dreaming
I imagine that the closer he comes to winning, the more and more people we'll be seeing desperately trying to convince themselves that he's actually a super secret liberal all along and he's just trolling those dumb republican losers
[QUOTE=Bazsil;50186692]Keep dreaming
I imagine that the closer he comes to winning, the more and more people we'll be seeing desperately trying to convince themselves that he's actually a super secret liberal all along and he's just trolling those dumb republican losers[/QUOTE]
I guess we'll wait and see. It will be entertaining regardless
[QUOTE=plokoon9619;50182459]Guess those people shouldn't have been nominating a corporate shill to run against him. I rather have the retard who can't do the job, than that witch.[/QUOTE]
Always good to vote on emotion rather than reason.
[QUOTE=BusterBluth;50187577]Always good to vote on emotion rather than reason.[/QUOTE]
Welcome to the US elections where it is about who has the best one liners or the name recognition, not who actually has better policies. This election cycle in particular highlights this.
[QUOTE=Bazsil;50186692]Keep dreaming
I imagine that the closer he comes to winning, the more and more people we'll be seeing desperately trying to convince themselves that he's actually a super secret liberal all along and he's just trolling those dumb republican losers[/QUOTE]
Which Trump do you trust more (or distrust less) when he talks about what he believes?
Trump right now who is trying to get a bunch of backward and angry conservatives to vote for him?
Or the Trump from 10-12 years ago who [I]wasn't[/I] running for political position and who had no particular reason to be lying when he said he was pro-choice on abortion, pro-socialized medical care and in favour of raising the minimum wage?
i am at the point where i would rather he be in that shillary
If he contradicts what he says then he would be a liar. If he stops acting so inflammatory over the next few months that does not make him a liar.
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;50181750]The problem is the uncertainty. Is Trump a full on liberal catering to a loud right wing demographic? Or did he legitimately get more conservative in his later years? Could it be that, just like any normal person, he has differing opinions on a variety of topics, his self-established explicitness being what allows him to actually share them regardless of expectations?
Of course there's some pandering in there, but far does it go? Could he not turn out to be this liberal master of deceit you claim and [I]still[/I] not be big on abortion? Or have unrealistic expectations for border security? Or want a free market inspired healthcare reform? And if he ever got elected, could he not give in to pandering when actually putting his policies into practice?[/QUOTE]
People act like Trump is some mastermind who's able to perfectly tap into and exploit the rage of disenfranchised blue collar republicans, but he's been saying crazy shit for years. He was a part of the birther conspiracy, and in the last couple of elections he dropped out really quickly because his political views were so out there. Honestly The only reason he's doing well now is because he got lucky and anti establishment is in right now.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;50181662]"To some extent" is stretching the truth, but Trump [url=http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/] is a massive liar[/url]
Now just compare that to what [url=http://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/]Hillary Clinton says, whom [I]everyone[/I] considers to be "the biggest liar" of the campaigns[/url][/QUOTE]
I think this more highlights how shitty politifact is.
[QUOTE=wystan;50190229]I think this more highlights how shitty politifact is.[/QUOTE]
Do tell. I want to hear you "Debunk" some of the "lies" that politifact is telling about Trump.
[QUOTE=Melkor;50190235]Do tell. I want to hear you "Debunk" some of the "lies" that politifact is telling about Trump.[/QUOTE]
I'm more talking about their huge amount of bias.
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[QUOTE=wystan;50190263]I'm more talking about their huge amount of bias.
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worthless without the rest of the articles
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[QUOTE=Melkor;50190197]People act like Trump is some mastermind who's able to perfectly tap into and exploit the rage of disenfranchised blue collar republicans, but he's been saying crazy shit for years. He was a part of the birther conspiracy, and in the last couple of elections he dropped out really quickly because his political views were so out there. Honestly The only reason he's doing well now is because he got lucky and anti establishment is in right now.[/QUOTE]
idk why everyone seems to have forgotten the birth certificate thing, he was pretty much one of the main faces of the movement as far as i can remember
[QUOTE=theevilldeadII;50188771]i am at the point where i would rather he be in that shillary[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure your at that point because its pretty clear Sanders is done for regarding the nomination.
[editline]24th April 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=wystan;50190263]I'm more talking about their huge amount of bias.
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Its bias because Ted Cruz and Trump make up more shit than Hillary and Sanders?
[QUOTE=Melkor;50190197]People act like Trump is some mastermind who's able to perfectly tap into and exploit the rage of disenfranchised blue collar republicans, but he's been saying crazy shit for years. He was a part of the birther conspiracy, and in the last couple of elections he dropped out really quickly because his political views were so out there. Honestly The only reason he's doing well now is because he got lucky and anti establishment is in right now.[/QUOTE]
Remember Hillary started the birther movement, Trump just took the baton and ran with it. Another one of the suspicious links between Trump and the Clintons which go all the way back to Bill running for President...
Indeed I was half convinced up till now that Trump was running to throw the election to Hillary, but the news he'll drop the right wing act and go for center shows he's legitimately trying to win.
And that's Trump's only concern, he wants to be President and doesn't care how he gets there. Go back just 4 years and he was trying to position himself as the GOP establishment candidate (they turned him down).
[QUOTE=wystan;50190263]I'm more talking about their huge amount of bias.
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Regarding the Trump picture, you are being played like a fiddle. Go to the politifact sources and you will find just how manipulative that picture itself is.
[QUOTE=Raidyr;50192954]Regarding the Trump picture, you are being played like a fiddle. Go to the politifact sources and you will find just how manipulative that picture itself is.[/QUOTE]
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[quote]We asked the Trump campaign for a source of the 42 percent figure, but they didn’t respond. The Fact Checker, however, traced it back to a column by David Stockman, who served as President Ronald Reagan’s budget director.
Stockman calculated that there are currently 210 million Americans between the ages of 16 and 68 -- what he calls a "plausible measure of the potential workforce." If you assume that each of those people is able to hold down a full-time job, he wrote, they would offer a total of 420 billion potential working hours. However, during 2014, Stockman noted, only 240 billion working hours were actually recorded by the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
If you run the numbers, "the real unemployment rate was 42.9 percent," Stockman wrote.[/quote]
i like how the quote conveniently stops right before the explanation as to why stockman is wrong
[quote]Economists say Stockman’s way of looking at the question -- using actual hours worked divided by a theoretical maximum that could have been worked, rather than determining whether individual people are employed or unemployed -- is provocative. But they say this raw measurement has serious flaws.
In the column, Stockman himself acknowledges that this figure is imperfect, even though his tone is flip when he does so.
"Yes, we have to allow for non-working wives, students, the disabled, early retirees and coupon clippers," he wrote. "We also have drifters, grifters, welfare cheats, bums and people between jobs, enrolled in training programs, on sabbaticals and much else."
Snark aside, economists say this caveat is crucial.
Stockman’s calculation "treats people voluntarily working part-time hours as partly unemployed, even if they have excellent reasons for wanting to hold only a part-time job, such as rearing children, attending school or college, being disabled, or transitioning into retirement," said Gary Burtless, an economist at the Brookings Institution. "A lot of the shortfall between full-time and part-time employment is perfectly reasonable, as is a potential worker’s decision not to work or look for paid work at all."
In other words, Trump’s faith in the accuracy of the 42 percent figure is misplaced.[/quote]
[url]http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/sep/30/donald-trump/donald-trump-says-unemployment-rate-may-be-42-perc/[/url]
every single one of those has something even fishier than the last
[QUOTE=MuffinZerg;50186457]That's called projecting an image[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Agree;50181540]When you go for a job interview you are projecting an image. You are trying to make yourself appeal to those who are hiring you, it doesn't mean you're lying. Trump is in a year-long job interview at 50 different locations, of course he is going to be projecting a different image as he continues campaigning.[/QUOTE]
It's lying if you're lying, man, it's really that simple. You can argue that a little bit of white lies at a job interview is fine, but in a presidential election it's really not. It's making a mockery of the system, a representative based democracy doesn't work at all if the prospective representatives aren't honest about their positions. Of course, pretty much all politicians are guilty of it to some degree or another. It's one of the big reasons people commonly hate politicians.
[QUOTE=Agree;50181540]That's because he's been playing them for fools. The media is clearly on Hillary's side, I'd imagine the same people she's giving private speeches to are shelling out millions to the news companies as well.
Trump knows this, so he knows he can say something stupid or outlandish and get a free week of coverage because they are desperate to make him look bad, and then come on an interview later and flip it around on them. Look at the 7/11 thing, that happened like 4 days ago and I'm still seeing it on morning news. They might be trying to make him look bad, but his name is still the one in the spotlight.
When you go for a job interview you are projecting an image. You are trying to make yourself appeal to those who are hiring you, it doesn't mean you're lying. Trump is in a year-long job interview at 50 different locations, of course he is going to be projecting a different image as he continues campaigning.[/QUOTE]
Would you change the image you're projecting half-way through your interview