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I think what you are more referring to is "nice guys". I wouldn't call "nice guys" rape culture but I would wholeheartedly agree that the concept is that they think they are owed sex (which they obviously aren't).

[QUOTE=phygon;50506079]Are you sure it's anger and not frustration[/QUOTE] In the times I've seen people use "friend zone" unironically, they have said it as if there was something wrong with the other person and the world they live in. "The douchebags always get the girl in the end." That's the type of mentality that I think is fucked up. [editline]12th June 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Thlis;50506089]I think what you are more referring to is "nice guys". I wouldn't call "nice guys" rape culture but I would wholeheartedly agree that the concept is that they think they are owed sex (which they obviously aren't).[/QUOTE] Maybe I honestly have confused the two. In which, whoops, sorry guys. I just haven't heard anyone talk about the friend zone in the alternative context. I do think a lot of things are interconnected in unassuming ways. Someone that is convinced that they deserve sex is a statement about how some people perceive sex. Someone that is too scared to be open about sex is a statement about how a lot of people are afraid of sex, and how we as a society see it as something to be ashamed of. And all of these problems regarding the taboos and expectations of sex contribute to the problems of rape culture as they're all sexual problems. If we were to be more open and educated about sex, as well as make it far less precious, I think that it would minimize a lot of the problems that people have that can contribute to the problems regarding rape. Hell, there's the stigma attached to what people wear, which some people look at as "asking for it". And it's only seen that way because the clothes are seen as negative, which is a result of how we view sex as something to be ashamed of. And that's something that comes from [I]clothes[/I]. What happens when someone who feels like they are owed sex gets out of control?

[QUOTE=wauterboi;50506095]Anger, frustration, whatever. It's not warranted. Sometimes stuff doesn't work out. Sometimes you're not a right fit despite how nice you're being. Sometimes they actually are crazy. [/QUOTE] Frustration is absolutely warranted if you really want to be with someone but they don't want to be with you, it's called an emotional response and it's 100% normal and 100% okay.

[QUOTE=phygon;50506125]Frustration is absolutely warranted if you really want to be with someone but they don't want to be with you, it's called an emotional response and it's 100% normal and 100% okay.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I'll retract that statement and rephrase it - it's how you approach it. The emotion itself isn't bad, but it's how you present it. Being angry at the person for not wanting to be with you can quickly turn into something irrational and distorted.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;50506193]Yeah, I'll retract that statement and rephrase it - it's how you approach it. The emotion itself isn't bad, but it's how you present it. Being angry at the person for not wanting to be with you can quickly turn into something irrational and distorted.[/QUOTE]I think that's a fair assessment, but saying that "well the douchebags always get the girl in the end" is also a trope that's not at all inaccurate. From a neutral perspective that would be called "poor relationship choices," especially in the light of somebody genuinely wanting to be in a committed relationship and the other party selects an inherently bad choice for largely superficial reasons. I've been "friendzoned" before and flat-out said, "you're going to wind up with some dickhead like you always do, and when it happens I'm not going to be here to clean your shit up." I stuck to my guns too, when she "needed somebody" I told her I wasn't going to get involved like last time. Yeah it was a little satisfying to tell her off but I more importantly I didn't want to waste my time, she needed to learn that actions have consequences and playing with other people's emotions is not healthy behavior.

Rape fetishism is pretty fucked up. It legitimizes people as sexual prey, and it can definitely affect someones view of sex. While I think the shaming and censorship is unnecessary, I really appreciate the attempt to break the cycle. I would prefer like a warning about how it can be detrimental to your sexual health, and maybe a link to professional care if people feel they need help. Seriously though, some of you are as whiny about your porn as much as you are about video games. :v:

[QUOTE=soccerskyman;50507483]Rape fetishism is pretty fucked up. It legitimizes people as sexual prey, and it can definitely affect someones view of sex. While I think the shaming and censorship is unnecessary, I really appreciate the attempt to break the cycle. I would prefer like a warning about how it can be detrimental to your sexual health, and maybe a link to professional care if people feel they need help. Seriously though, some of you are as whiny about your porn as much as you are about video games. :v:[/QUOTE] There is no "cycle". People like rape porn. They'll keep liking rape porn even if all the rape porn in the world is locked in a vault and tossed into the ocean and every rape porn enthusiast on the planet is put into a mental ward. People are excited by the idea of dominating someone else or being dominated. That desire will never, ever go away. You can either try in vain to suppress it, or accept that there's nothing wrong with it so long as you never actually do anything wrong.

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50507196]I think that's a fair assessment, but saying that "well the douchebags always get the girl in the end" is also a trope that's not at all inaccurate. From a neutral perspective that would be called "poor relationship choices," especially in the light of somebody genuinely wanting to be in a committed relationship and the other party selects an inherently bad choice for largely superficial reasons. I've been "friendzoned" before and flat-out said, "you're going to wind up with some dickhead like you always do, and when it happens I'm not going to be here to clean your shit up." I stuck to my guns too, when she "needed somebody" I told her I wasn't going to get involved like last time. Yeah it was a little satisfying to tell her off but I more importantly I didn't want to waste my time, she needed to learn that actions have consequences and playing with other people's emotions is not healthy behavior.[/QUOTE] I've been in these scenarios too, but I think you can agree that the there is a distinction between a perspective that will get you up on your feet and a perspective involving endless sulking. It's totally fair to look at someone and say, "Well, I think they're making a wrong decision." But it can't stagnate you. People have to realize that they can't change people more than they want to change, and that after putting out their effort that they should move on. I think it starts turning into a twisted mental state when they decide not to move on, and continuously victimize themselves, because at that point it can fester into something worse (i.e. "women are terrible", "what's the point", depression ) while also neglecting themselves. And it is also a problem when they can't just let things go as a decision that was made by a human being for themselves. I think that's where the unfair use of "friend zone" starts coming up - the people I've seen use the phrase are using it because they can't accept being just friends. The phrase "just friends" doesn't have as negative of a connotation as they're looking for. They have to use "friend zone", which conjures up the idea of unfairness. That's what I try to reference, although with talking to you guys I think my experiences are too limited to suggest that the phrase "friend zone" is only used in the shitty way I described.

[QUOTE=soccerskyman;50507483]Rape fetishism is pretty fucked up. It legitimizes people as sexual prey, and it can definitely affect someones view of sex. While I think the shaming and censorship is unnecessary, I really appreciate the attempt to break the cycle. I would prefer like a warning about how it can be detrimental to your sexual health, and maybe a link to professional care if people feel they need help. Seriously though, some of you are as whiny about your porn as much as you are about video games. :v:[/QUOTE] Care to prove that? My girlfriend has a "rape fantasy". How does that legitimize rape? And your last passing pithy comment? How childish are you to not see why it's a ridiculous thing to dictate to adults what actions they can quietly and harmlessly partake in?

[QUOTE=soccerskyman;50507483]Rape fetishism is pretty fucked up. It legitimizes people as sexual prey, and it can definitely affect someones view of sex. While I think the shaming and censorship is unnecessary, I really appreciate the attempt to break the cycle. I would prefer like a warning about how it can be detrimental to your sexual health, and maybe a link to professional care if people feel they need help. Seriously though, some of you are as whiny about your porn as much as you are about video games. :v:[/QUOTE] In this instance, I am whiny about porn because it is a mistreated industry. Porn is regularly kicked around as a root of evil, with all viewers more likely to feel ashamed. It's also a nasty side-effect of the bigger taboo of even talking about sex in our society. Sex shouldn't be so stigmatized as it is. Sex is great. People should embrace it. For the fun of it, let me switch out some of your words and see if you still feel the same: [QUOTE=soccerskyman;50507483]Violent video games about gang violence are pretty fucked up. It legitimizes people as meaningless targets, and it can definitely affect someones view of society. While I think the shaming and censorship is unnecessary, I really appreciate the attempt to break the cycle. I would prefer like a warning about how it can be detrimental to your mental health, and maybe a link to professional care if people feel they need help.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;50507591]There is no "cycle". People like rape porn. They'll keep liking rape porn even if all the rape porn in the world is locked in a vault and tossed into the ocean and every rape porn enthusiast on the planet is put into a mental ward. People are excited by the idea of dominating someone else or being dominated. That desire will never, ever go away. You can either try in vain to suppress it, or accept that there's nothing wrong with it so long as you never actually do anything wrong.[/QUOTE] I'm not arguing that its possible stop rape fetishism by removing rape porn at all. I'm stating that it is important that people are always aware of the difference between fantasy and reality. [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50507595]Care to prove that? My girlfriend has a "rape fantasy". How does that legitimize rape? And your last passing pithy comment? How childish are you to not see why it's a ridiculous thing to dictate to adults what actions they can quietly and harmlessly partake in?[/QUOTE] The fetish isn't wrong, and there is nothing wrong with being kinky. I know that sex for me is way different than I expected from porn, and I'm willing to bet it's the same with you. It's important for people to know that in porn of a fantasy between consenting adults is not reflective of what is and isn't ok in real life.

Furry fetishes are pretty fucked up. It legitimizes animals as sexual objects, and it can definitely affect the way you think and look at pets. While the shaming and censorship is unnecessary I appreciate the attempt to break the cycle. I would prefer a warning to how prolonged exposure to furry fandom can cause you to want to fuck dogs, maybe even a link to where you can find zoophilia therapy. Honestly you can fill in the blanks about a lot of shit, point is it's dumb when you're talking about porn and other entertainment fantasies. There's no victim and no link to mental health issues. If someone suggests that you can't divide reality and fantasy they may be projecting. [editline]13th June 2016[/editline] Oh hey backpedal before I can even finish

[QUOTE=wauterboi;50507622]In this instance, I am whiny about porn because it is a mistreated industry. Porn is regularly kicked around as a root of evil, with all viewers more likely to feel ashamed. It's also a nasty side-effect of the bigger taboo of even talking about sex in our society. Sex shouldn't be so stigmatized as it is. Sex is great. People should embrace it. For the fun of it, let me switch out some of your words and see if you still feel the same:[/QUOTE] I mean, we do really have a problem with fetishizing violence in pop-culture and I do think it would be worth notating in video games that its not reflective of real life. I mean shit, that's practically what ESRB does, just usually not explicitly. Again, I'm not saying we should censorship, but advocating for warnings and awareness for mental health, so don't start yelling about your frozen peaches. [editline]12th June 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50507684]Furry fetishes are pretty fucked up. It legitimizes animals as sexual objects, and it can definitely affect the way you think and look at pets. While the shaming and censorship is unnecessary I appreciate the attempt to break the cycle. I would prefer a warning to how prolonged exposure to furry fandom can cause you to want to fuck dogs, maybe even a link to where you can find zoophilia therapy. Honestly you can fill in the blanks about a lot of shit, point is it's dumb when you're talking about porn and other entertainment fantasies. There's no victim and no link to mental health issues. If someone suggests that you can't divide reality and fantasy they may be projecting. [editline]13th June 2016[/editline] Oh hey backpedal before I can even finish[/QUOTE] Well, lets ignore the start with the furries and beastiality because thats not the same thing, and pretend you said this: [quote]Fictional zoophilia fetishes are pretty fucked up. It legitimizes animals as sexual objects, and it can definitely affect the way you think and look at pets. While the shaming and censorship is unnecessary I appreciate the attempt to break the cycle. I would prefer a warning to how prolonged exposure to fictional zoophilia can cause you to want to fuck dogs, maybe even a link to where you can find zoophilia therapy.[/quote] That sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

[QUOTE=soccerskyman;50507666]I'm not arguing that its possible stop rape fetishism by removing rape porn at all. I'm stating that it is important that people are always aware of the difference between fantasy and reality. The fetish isn't wrong, and there is nothing wrong with being kinky. I know that sex for me is way different than I expected from porn, and I'm willing to bet it's the same with you. It's important for people to know that in porn of a fantasy between consenting adults is not reflective of what is and isn't ok in real life.[/QUOTE] Obviously porn and reality are completely different, but that doesn't mean porn is bad. Reality and video games are completely different, but that doesn't mean video games are bad. The solution to people thinking fantasy and reality are the same is for people to be exposed to reality, not be deprived of fantasy.

See, "no guys it's different!" you're arguing the same points used against the notion that rape porn is harmful

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;50507775]Obviously porn and reality are completely different, but that doesn't mean porn is bad. Reality and video games are completely different, but that doesn't mean video games are bad. The solution to people thinking fantasy and reality are the same is for people to be exposed to reality, not be deprived of fantasy.[/QUOTE] Oh for fucks sake, I'm not saying porn is bad! It can have it's dangers of setting false expectations or training other behaviors, but that is with literally EVERY form of media. Rape porn, can set false expectations or make some behaviors seem acceptable in real life. I don't see why trying to promote awareness to remember they are separate and to provide access to mental health is such a bad thing.

[QUOTE=soccerskyman;50507706][B]I mean, we do really have a problem with fetishizing violence in pop-culture[/B] and I do think it would be worth notating in video games that its not reflective of real life. I mean shit, that's practically what ESRB does, just usually not explicitly. Again, I'm not saying we should censorship, but advocating for warnings and awareness for mental health, so don't start yelling about your frozen peaches.[/QUOTE] To say that is to say that enjoying fictional violence is wrong and should be kept under control. Violence is great and I don't have a problem with movies or video games having gratuitous amounts. Fictional media is awesome in that it allows us to peer behind the curtain without getting in trouble. You don't have to make someone in explode in real life, you can do it in a horror movie. And, for some, it's both interesting and enjoyable. [editline]12th June 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=soccerskyman;50507810]Oh for fucks sake, I'm not saying porn is bad! It can have it's dangers of setting false expectations or training other behaviors, but that is with literally EVERY form of media. Rape porn, can set false expectations or make some behaviors seem acceptable in real life. I don't see why trying to promote awareness to remember they are separate and to provide access to mental health is such a bad thing.[/QUOTE] I think that's part of personal development though. People should be told that they are suspending disbelief with all media. It's not exclusive to porn or violent video games, and a failure of a person to understand that doesn't mean that it's the porn's fault.

[QUOTE=soccerskyman;50507666]I'm not arguing that its possible stop rape fetishism by removing rape porn at all. I'm stating that it is important that people are always aware of the difference between fantasy and reality. The fetish isn't wrong, and there is nothing wrong with being kinky. I know that sex for me is way different than I expected from porn, and I'm willing to bet it's the same with you. It's important for people to know that in porn of a fantasy between consenting adults is not reflective of what is and isn't ok in real life.[/QUOTE] I watched porn when I was young, I started having sex when I was young. From an early age, I've known porn to be bullshit, largely fake and staged videos. I don't believe many people really take what they see in porn as "unedited reality". Rape fantasy videos are going to exist. Regardless of our desire to censor them, or not.

[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50507808]See, "no guys it's different!" you're arguing the same points used against the notion that rape porn is harmful[/QUOTE] lmao furry porn and bestiality porn are literally just different fetishes entirely, but whatever, that's irrelevant. Let's just ignore that pedantic bullshit for the sake of your argument, and say that it IS the same. [quote]Furry fetishes are pretty fucked up. It legitimizes animals as sexual objects, and it can definitely affect the way you think and look at pets. While the shaming and censorship is unnecessary I appreciate the attempt to break the cycle. I would prefer a warning to how prolonged exposure to furry fandom can cause you to want to fuck dogs, maybe even a link to where you can find zoophilia therapy.[/quote] In that case, that sounds perfectly reasonable.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50507844]I watched porn when I was young, I started having sex when I was young. From an early age, I've known porn to be bullshit, largely fake and staged videos. I don't believe many people really take what they see in porn as "unedited reality". Rape fantasy videos are going to exist. Regardless of our desire to censor them, or not.[/QUOTE] Actually, my dad tried to tell me that people don't do what you see in porn. I've repeatedly found his claim to be super wrong. [editline]12th June 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=soccerskyman;50507846]lmao furry porn and bestiality porn are literally just different fetishes entirely, but whatever, that's irrelevant. Let's just ignore that pedantic bullshit for the sake of your argument, and say that it IS the same. [quote]Furry fetishes are pretty fucked up. It legitimizes animals as sexual objects, and it can definitely affect the way you think and look at pets. While the shaming and censorship is unnecessary I appreciate the attempt to break the cycle. I would prefer a warning to how prolonged exposure to furry fandom can cause you to want to fuck dogs, maybe even a link to where you can find zoophilia therapy.[/quote] In that case, that sounds perfectly reasonable.[/QUOTE] No, that sounds silly. Furry porn isn't fucked up nor is it going to make most people start banging animals.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;50507855]Actually, my dad tried to tell me that people don't do what you see in porn. I've repeatedly found his claim to be super wrong.[/QUOTE] I have a pretty wide and varied sexual history, and porn and real life are fairly different affairs all together really at least in my experience.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50507863]I have a pretty wide and varied sexual history, and porn and real life are fairly different affairs all together really at least in my experience.[/QUOTE] Sure, they might act different, but a lot of the quirky stuff I've seen happens in real life too. And a lot of the women I've talked to since the start of High School have told me about crazy stuff, like being into hentai, being into dominating anal, etc. They're all seemingly normal and attractive people too. There's a lot of very sexual people I've met.

[QUOTE=soccerskyman;50507483]Rape fetishism is pretty fucked up. It legitimizes people as sexual prey, and it can definitely affect someones view of sex.[/QUOTE]"Hi my name is soccerskyman and I have no fucking idea what I'm talking about. I think in extremes and barely pay attention to what's around me, but golly gee that won't stop me from commenting!" Right off the bat you've proven exactly what I said in my first post:[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50497525]Explaining that to anyone is impossible, hell, merely [I]telling[/I] people about engaging in any D/s or especially S&M activity without first expressing how "weird it was, but still kinda hot" is a risky gamble. Why do you think BDSM in general is underground? This isn't something that's "romanticized" in any way, people still think you're weird and disgusting and broken for even a little handcuffing and tickling so why would they romanticize violently fucking somebody over a table? This doesn't perpetuate anything, it just shames [I]consenting adults engaging in sexual activity[/I] and I'd argue that it opens the door for shaming unorthodox relationships in general.[/QUOTE] Great job on that one. [QUOTE]I would prefer like a warning about how it can be detrimental to your sexual health, and maybe a link to professional care if people feel they need help.[/QUOTE]We don't need help, there's nothing wrong with us and it's not "detrimental to our sexual health." What we do need is for people who think like this to fuck off, but none of us are under any sort of delusion that this will happen. [QUOTE]Seriously though, some of you are as whiny about your porn as much as you are about video games. :v:[/QUOTE]xD maybe that's because if we're open about our sexuality we'll be treated like lepers :v: :v: :v: I say this as somebody not at all turned on by any of this, it's not one of my kinks but I know plenty of people who enjoy it on [U]both[/U] sides. [QUOTE=wauterboi;50507594]I've been in these scenarios too, but I think you can agree that the there is a distinction between a perspective that will get you up on your feet and a perspective involving endless sulking.[/QUOTE]Absolutely, I understood what you meant when you rephrased your position. That's why I said it was fair, I just felt I should add on to something you said earlier. [QUOTE=soccerskyman;50507666]I'm stating that it is important that people are always aware of the difference between fantasy and reality.[/QUOTE][QUOTE]It's important for people to know that in porn of a fantasy between consenting adults is not reflective of what is and isn't ok in real life.[/QUOTE]"Just a reminder that your fetish isn't okay in real life and your porn is icky!"[QUOTE=soccerskyman;50507706]Again, I'm not saying we should censorship, but advocating for warnings and awareness for mental health, so don't start yelling about your frozen peaches.[/QUOTE]"Just so we're clear, you're all insane."

[QUOTE=wauterboi;50507813]To say that is to say that enjoying fictional violence is wrong and should be kept under control. Violence is great and I don't have a problem with movies or video games having gratuitous amounts. Fictional media is awesome in that it allows us to peer behind the curtain without getting in trouble. You don't have to make someone in explode in real life, you can do it in a horror movie. And, for some, it's both interesting and enjoyable. [editline]12th June 2016[/editline] I think that's part of personal development though. People should be told that they are suspending disbelief with all media. It's not exclusive to porn or violent video games, and a failure of a person to understand that doesn't mean that it's the porn's fault.[/QUOTE] I'm not claiming we shouldn't have violent media, but I just maintain the position that we need to as a society take on the responsibility of ensuring as little people as possible fail to see the disconnect. It's not the media in questions fault, yes, but I certainly appreciate it when media attempts to address such an issue. [QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50507844]I watched porn when I was young, I started having sex when I was young. From an early age, I've known porn to be bullshit, largely fake and staged videos. I don't believe many people really take what they see in porn as "unedited reality". Rape fantasy videos are going to exist. Regardless of our desire to censor them, or not.[/QUOTE] I'm not advocating censoring them ffs, im advocating awareness that porn isn't the same as real life. Maybe you were sexually active at a young age, but I'm willing to bet a LOT of rapists were sexually repressed and unactive until way later in life.

[QUOTE=soccerskyman;50507888]I'm not claiming we shouldn't have violent media, but I just maintain the position that we need to as a society take on the responsibility of ensuring as little people as possible fail to see the disconnect. It's not the media in questions fault, yes, but I certainly appreciate it when media attempts to address such an issue. I'm not advocating censoring them ffs, im advocating awareness that porn isn't the same as real life. Maybe you were sexually active at a young age, but I'm willing to bet a LOT of rapists were sexually repressed and unactive until way later in life.[/QUOTE] Whoops, accidental star. Meant to reply. [QUOTE=soccerskyman;50507483]Rape fetishism is pretty fucked up.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=soccerskyman;50507888]I'm not advocating censoring them ffs[/quote] [QUOTE=soccerskyman;50507483]While I think the shaming and censorship is unnecessary, I really appreciate the attempt to break the cycle.[/QUOTE] You start out by saying a fetish is fucked up and how you appreciate what they're trying to do to circumvent enjoyment of the fetish, and then you turn around saying, "Well, I'm not saying that it's fucked up and that the people who enjoy are fucked up. This entire time I just wanted a warning." You said it with a tone that demonized people from the start.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;50507871]Sure, they might act different, but a lot of the quirky stuff I've seen happens in real life too. And a lot of the women I've talked to since the start of High School have told me about crazy stuff, like being into hentai, being into dominating anal, etc. They're all seemingly normal and attractive people too. There's a lot of very sexual people I've met.[/QUOTE] I'm not saying that doesn't happen. I'm saying real life isn't porn. Not that real people don't have kinks. I don't want to get into comparing sexual histories, but I'm not saying any of what you think I'm saying.

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50507883] Right off the bat you've proven exactly what I said in my first post: Great job on that one. We don't need help, there's nothing wrong with us and it's not "detrimental to our sexual health." What we do need is for people who think like this to fuck off, but none of us are under any sort of delusion that this will happen. [/QUOTE] It's not aimed at you, you narcissist, it's aimed at potential rapists. Rapists aren't sane rational people, they might needd a push in the right direction. [QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50507883] I say this as somebody not at all turned on by any of this, it's not one of my kinks but I know plenty of people who enjoy it on [U]both[/U] sides. [/QUOTE] I am someone who is quite on the submissive side. I like this stuff, I just like to keep people safe. I'm not trying to act like you're all degenerates.

[QUOTE=soccerskyman;50507888]I'm not advocating censoring them ffs, im advocating awareness that porn isn't the same as real life. Maybe you were sexually active at a young age, but I'm willing to bet a LOT of rapists were sexually repressed and unactive until way later in life.[/QUOTE]I'm willing to bet that you're just talking shit again, being sexually repressed doesn't mean anything other than you don't know a lot about sex. Sure that can be [I]tragic[/I] but let's not pretend that it's a fucking precursor to being a rapist, that's ridiculous. Actual rape is vastly different than fantasy, and your repeated insistence on "advocating awareness that porn isn't the same as real life" is extremely insulting. No, I don't go around locking spreader bars around people's ankles and forcing them into fursuits, I am well aware that this behavior is not at all acceptable in real life and so is everyone else.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50507914]I'm not saying that doesn't happen. I'm saying real life isn't porn. Not that real people don't have kinks. I don't want to get into comparing sexual histories, but I'm not saying any of what you think I'm saying.[/QUOTE] Yeah - what I was trying to say is that my dad was trying to tell me that no one is really as quirky as what you see in porn, and that all that stuff is unhealthy - even just enjoying it as a viewer.

[QUOTE=wauterboi;50507908]Whoops, accidental star. Meant to reply. You start out by saying a fetish is fucked up and how you appreciate what they're trying to do to circumvent enjoyment of the fetish, and then you turn around saying, "Well, I'm not saying that it's fucked up and that the people who enjoy are fucked up. This entire time I just wanted a warning." You said it with a tone that demonized people from the start.[/QUOTE] I mean, it is fucked up. I'm not gonna pretend my fetish isn't based on something that is fucked up. I'm not appreciating them trying to stop people from "enjoying the fetish" but from attempting to stop rapists, as misguided it was. Sorry for the confusion.

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