Porn Site xHamster Is Shaming Users For “Rape” Searches

[JumpinJackFlash]

[QUOTE=soccerskyman;50507923]It's not aimed at you, you narcissist, it's aimed at potential rapists. Rapists aren't sane rational people, they might needd a push in the right direction.[/QUOTE]So these people who are, according to you, insane and irrational are going to see a notification about seeking mental health and immediately hop to their feet and go, "oh wow I was wrong all along!!!"

Yeah I don't think that's the fucking case, especially since actual rapists are criminals who [I]probably[/I] are going to go out and get the real thing. Meanwhile fetishists have to find a compatible partner and work into it, hence the porn.

[QUOTE]I am someone who is quite on the submissive side. I like this stuff, I just like to keep people safe. I'm not trying to act like you're all degenerates.[/QUOTE]Except you're doing the "teach men not to rape" thing and then expecting the group of non-rapist men to not be offended by your very pointed and insensitive comment. Nobody needs to be kept safe, we have safewords and contracts with rules to keep people safe.

[editline]adding this for clarity[/editline]

If you wanted to start out talking about safety maybe the condescending "lmao you guys are such babies xD" tone wasn't a good thing to open up with. That set the mood for the argument, and sure, I've fallen victim to that myself so I do know how that can affect the discussion. I'm probably doing it right now, wauterboi has said several times that I come off as "mean" and "aggressive" when in actuality I'm feeling just incredulous toward you at the moment.

[wauterboi]

[QUOTE=soccerskyman;50507934]I mean, it is fucked up. I'm not gonna pretend my fetish isn't based on something that is fucked up. I'm not appreciating them trying to stop people from "enjoying the fetish" but from attempting to stop rapists, as misguided it was. Sorry for the confusion.[/QUOTE]
But is it fucked up?

I really enjoy DOOM, and that's a non-stop gorefest. It's explosions of guts and blood. Is that "fucked up" enjoyment? I wouldn't think so. It would be fucked up if I started watching videos of people being murdered, but that's different. It would also be fucked up if I was misusing the material and plotting out creating real gore myself, but that's different.

When you say the fetish itself is messed up, you're addressing all the people that have it as being messed up.

[soccerskyman]

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50507925]I'm willing to bet that you're just talking shit again, being sexually repressed doesn't mean anything other than you don't know a lot about sex. Sure that can be [I]tragic[/I] but let's not pretend that it's a fucking precursor to being a rapist, that's ridiculous.

Actual rape is vastly different than fantasy, and your repeated insistence on "advocating awareness that porn isn't the same as real life" is extremely insulting. No, I don't go around locking spreader bars around people's ankles and forcing them into fursuits, I am well aware that this behavior is not at all acceptable in real life and so is everyone else.[/QUOTE]

I know actual rape is different from fantasy; being the victim of it and all. And again, it's not directed at you. Like it or not and regardless of what you are, rapists AND potential rapists watch rape porn, and if you can get a message to them to try to prevent it, then why the fuck not?

[Mr. Scorpio]

[QUOTE=soccerskyman;50507954]I know actual rape is different from fantasy; being the victim of it and all. And again, it's not directed at you. Like it or not and regardless of what you are, rapists AND potential rapists watch rape porn, and if you can get a message to them to try to prevent it, then why the fuck not?[/QUOTE]

Rapists aren't deterred by the cries of their victims. Why would they be deterred by a warning message on xhamster?

[HumanAbyss]

[QUOTE=soccerskyman;50507954]I know actual rape is different from fantasy; being the victim of it and all. And again, it's not directed at you. Like it or not and regardless of what you are, rapists AND potential rapists watch rape porn, and if you can get a message to them to try to prevent it, then why the fuck not?[/QUOTE]

because real rapists aren't going to be dissuaded by some text they scroll past where as you're just going to make normal people pissed off that they're being told they're abnormal and all sorts of shit

they don't need to be ostracized for a fetish to protect people from rapists who won't care about your preventative methods

[JumpinJackFlash]

[QUOTE=soccerskyman;50507954]I know actual rape is different from fantasy; being the victim of it and all. And again, it's not directed at you. Like it or not and regardless of what you are, rapists AND potential rapists watch rape porn, and if you can get a message to them to try to prevent it, then why the fuck not?[/QUOTE]You know what's an even better way to prevent rape? [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozambique_Drill]Refusing[/url] to cooperate.

[soccerskyman]

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50507945]So these people who are, according to you, insane and irrational are going to see a notification about seeking mental health and immediately hop to their feet and go, "oh wow I was wrong all along!!!"

Yeah I don't think that's the fucking case, especially since actual rapists are criminals who [I]probably[/I] are going to go out and get the real thing. Meanwhile fetishists have to find a compatible partner and work into it, hence the porn.
[/QUOTE]

You're assuming that rapists are all sexually healthy and content with themselves, which is completely false. If they feel like shit they could want help.

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50507945]
Except you're doing the "teach men not to rape" thing and then expecting the group of non-rapist men to not be offended by your very pointed and insensitive comment. Nobody needs to be kept safe, we have safewords and contracts with rules to keep people safe.[/QUOTE]

Holy fuck you're dense. Of course most men aren't rapists, and nobody is assuming that you are from watching fictional rape porn. That still doesn't change the fact there ARE rapists and they watch rape porn.

[HumanAbyss]

[QUOTE=soccerskyman;50507983]You're assuming that rapists are all sexually healthy and content with themselves, which is completely false. If they feel like shit they could want help.

Holy fuck you're dense. Of course most men aren't rapists, and nobody is assuming that you are from watching fictional rape porn. That still doesn't change the fact there ARE rapists and they watch rape porn.[/QUOTE]

and nothing changes the fact that a box of text, let alone the screams of their victims, are little help to them to "stop".

rape is abhorrent but you're doing nothing but patting yourself on the back here.

[soccerskyman]

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50507975]You know what's an even better way to prevent rape? [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mozambique_Drill]Refusing[/url] to cooperate.[/QUOTE]

I'm totally down for arming rape victims. "Kill your local rapist", "you cant rape a .38", etc. I don't see why see cant do both and why we HAVE to jump to violence.

[editline]13th June 2016[/editline]

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50507999]and nothing changes the fact that a box of text, let alone the screams of their victims, are little help to them to "stop".

rape is abhorrent but you're doing nothing but patting yourself on the back here.[/QUOTE]

"It's futile to try to help mentally ill people with a short text box, so therefor it's badd" is literally your argument right now

[wauterboi]

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;50507999]and nothing changes the fact that a box of text, let alone the screams of their victims, are little help to them to "stop".

rape is abhorrent but you're doing nothing but patting yourself on the back here.[/QUOTE]
It reminds me of those police cars that have "remember, domestic violence is illegal" on the side of the car. Are people going to read that and suddenly say, "Well, I guess this means I'll stop hitting my wife"?

[JumpinJackFlash]

[QUOTE=soccerskyman;50507983]You're assuming that rapists are all sexually healthy and content with themselves, which is completely false. If they feel like shit they could want help.[/QUOTE]Yes, these people who have committed a felony that some people feel is worse than murder are going to voluntarily admit to a mental health professional that they have committed this crime.
[QUOTE]Holy fuck you're dense.[/QUOTE]Really now, I'm the dense one? Friendly reminder, a friendly reminder that rapists "seeking help" means telling somebody who is [I]legally obligated[/I] to inform law enforcement of their crimes.

[QUOTE=soccerskyman;50508007]I'm totally down for arming rape victims. "Kill your local rapist", "you cant rape a .38", etc. I don't see why see cant do both and why we HAVE to jump to violence.[/QUOTE]You are aware that there isn't a lot of "lmao have sex with this drunk girl who passed out" porn out there, right? You're trying to assert that rape porn caters to rapists too, which means you're talking about the proactive rapist who seeks out prey. That's an inherently violent act, that's why [I]sexual violence[/I] conjures up images of a man in a parking lot forcing himself on a woman. We're not jumping to violence here, we're meeting it, and I think that's going to do a hell of a lot more than some smug, hypocritical bullshit pulled by a porn site.

[QUOTE]"It's futile to try to help mentally ill people with a short text box, so therefor it's badd" is literally your argument right now[/QUOTE]It's futile because a violent rapist who is actually raping people is already breaking the law and committing a crime that's abhorrent to civilized society, a text box isn't going to do shit. It's a "gun-free zone" level of violence prevention, and not only that it's [I]insulting and demeaning[/I] to the porn's target audience.

[soccerskyman]

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50508060]Yes, these people who have committed a felony that some people feel is worse than murder are going to voluntarily admit to a mental health professional that they have committed this crime.
[/QUOTE]
Maybe someone who is mentally unhealthy but hasn't raped someone might go to a counselor??? Is that just not a possibility?

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50508060]
and not only that it's [I]insulting and demeaning[/I] to the porn's target audience.[/QUOTE]

I'm sorry that a warning about the seperation of reality and fantasy hurts your feelings :c Who's wanting to censor who now?

[Mr. Scorpio]

[QUOTE=soccerskyman;50508081]Maybe someone who is mentally unhealthy but hasn't raped someone might go to a counselor??? Is that just not a possibility?

I'm sorry that a warning about the seperation of reality and fantasy hurts your feelings :c Who's wanting to censor who now?[/QUOTE]

someone who is mentally unstable enough to rape someone is not going to go to a counselor because a porn website told them to

Like, what kind of person is self conscious enough to listen to the advice of a fucking porn website, but sociopathic enough to rape somebody?

You're asking for millions of average schmucks with a completely harmless kink to be treated like deranged criminals so that one in a billion people might be saved from accidentally raping someone. It's absurd.

[JumpinJackFlash]

[QUOTE=soccerskyman;50508081]Maybe someone who is mentally unhealthy but hasn't raped someone might go to a counselor??? Is that just not a possibility?[/QUOTE]So the universal "holy shit rapists are bad fucking people" sentiment that's found everywhere in our society wasn't enough?

[QUOTE]I'm sorry that a warning about the seperation of reality and fantasy hurts your feelings :c[/QUOTE]Fucking please, none of this was to "remind people that real life is not porn" it was a slap in the face to people with a fetish, it's flat-out kink shaming. Yeah I'm going to be offended by that, not just because it's somewhat close to my own sexual preferences either.

[QUOTE]Who's wanting to censor who now?[/QUOTE]Questioning your argument isn't censorship, you have every right to say stupid shit but don't be surprised if people think it's dumb and point out why.

[soccerskyman]

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;50508095]someone who is mentally unstable enough to rape someone is not going to go to a counselor because a porn website told them to

Like, what kind of person is self conscious enough to listen to the advice of a fucking porn website, but sociopathic enough to rape somebody?
[/QUOTE]

TIL Sociopaths NEVER voluntarily get treatment

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;50508095]
You're asking for millions of average schmucks with a completely harmless kink to be treated like deranged criminals so that one in a billion people might be saved from accidentally raping someone. It's absurd.[/QUOTE]

Are saying that putting a textbox that say something like: "Please keep in mind that what you see portrayed in the following videos is fictional, and between consenting adults. If you feel... visit place.com" is treating millions of people like deranged criminals? Jesus, get the fuck over it.

[Venomousbeetle]

[QUOTE=soccerskyman;50507846]lmao furry porn and bestiality porn are literally just different fetishes entirely, but whatever, that's irrelevant. Let's just ignore that pedantic bullshit for the sake of your argument, and say that it IS the same.

In that case, that sounds perfectly reasonable.[/QUOTE]

Lmao rape fantasies between consenting adults and rape are literally just different things entirely, but whatever

Do you not see you're repeating your own opposition after I compared your ignorance to something that hits home for you?

[wauterboi]

[QUOTE=soccerskyman;50508113]TIL Sociopaths NEVER voluntarily get treatment

Are saying that putting a textbox that say something like: "Please keep in mind that what you see portrayed in the following videos is fictional, and between consenting adults. If you feel... visit place.com" is treating millions of people like deranged criminals? Jesus, get the fuck over it.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't be bothered by putting that disclaimer in, but I think your initial tone towards the kink as a whole was especially damning.

[soccerskyman]

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50508105]So the universal "holy shit rapists are bad fucking people" sentiment that's found everywhere in our society wasn't enough?
[/QUOTE]
Beleive it or not, but no! That DOESN'T treat mental illness! Wow!

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50508105]
Fucking please, none of this was to "remind people that real life is not porn" it was a slap in the face to people with a fetish, it's flat-out kink shaming. Yeah I'm going to be offended by that, not just because it's somewhat close to my own sexual preferences either.
[/QUOTE]
I'm not advocating for kink-shaming or anything of the sort. I made it explicitly clear that I thought that was unnecessary.

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50508105]
Questioning your argument isn't censorship, you have every right to say stupid shit but don't be surprised if people think it's dumb and point out why.[/QUOTE]
You're questioning of my argument boils down to the fact your offended that people might DARE put a disclaimer on their site.

[editline]13th June 2016[/editline]

[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50508132]Lmao rape fantasies between consenting adults and rape are literally just different things entirely, but whatever

Do you not see you're repeating your own opposition after I compared your ignorance to something that hits home for you?[/QUOTE]

did you just completely ignore anything past my first sentence or...?

[wauterboi]

Really, the both of you seem to be a little too heated over this.

[Venomousbeetle]

You started spouting disclaimer shit as a shield to your statement that you think rape fantasies advocates/perpetuates rape

[soccerskyman]

[QUOTE=wauterboi;50508139]I wouldn't be bothered by putting that disclaimer in, but I think your initial tone towards the kink as a whole was especially damning.[/QUOTE]
I made it explicitly clear I don't have a problem with the kink. I really just don't see why your arguing against that disclaimer if you don't mind it.

[editline]13th June 2016[/editline]

[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50508152]You started spouting disclaimer shit as a shield to your statement that you think rape fantasies advocates/perpetuates rape[/QUOTE]

I'm genuinely not really sure what you're trying to say here. Could you maybe rephrase?

[JumpinJackFlash]

[QUOTE=soccerskyman;50508113]TIL Sociopaths NEVER voluntarily get treatment[/QUOTE]They certainly won't be persuaded by sanctimonious "lmao you sick fuck" bullshit when they try to look, nevermind that xhamster has been enjoying a profit from these videos for a long time.

[QUOTE]Are saying that putting a textbox that say something like: "Please keep in mind that what you see portrayed in the following videos is fictional, and between consenting adults. If you feel... visit place.com" is treating millions of people like deranged criminals? Jesus, get the fuck over it.[/QUOTE]Except that's not what happened...? There was nothing gentle here, and even if that was the message word for word it's still insulting because [I][U]none[/U] of the porn was made with actual rapists in mind.[/I]

[QUOTE=soccerskyman;50508141]Beleive it or not, but no! That DOESN'T treat mental illness! Wow![/QUOTE]Neither does a disclaimer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[QUOTE]I'm not advocating for kink-shaming or anything of the sort. I made it explicitly clear that I thought that was unnecessary.[/QUOTE]Why is the disclaimer [U]specifically[/U] on one thing and not on everything? Isn't [I]all[/I] porn and reality different? Why are you discriminating?

It's kink shaming, you're equating people with a fetish with criminals and reminding them that they share peripheral interests. It's right up there with "if you eat meat you advocate torture" and "men should pay a rape tax."

[QUOTE]You're questioning of my argument boils down to the fact your offended that people might DARE put a disclaimer on their site.[/QUOTE]My questioning of your argument boils down to "why are you doing this stupid shit, it's insensitive and ignorant and it won't even do anything."

[editline]13th June 2016[/editline]

[QUOTE=wauterboi;50508150]Really, the both of you seem to be a little too heated over this.[/QUOTE]Oh don't you worry your pretty little head about this, I'm laughing my ass off.

[angrytoadnoises]

it's weird because i would imagine full on rapists wouldn't even be prowling xhamster for rape videos, i mean have you seen a rape porno shoot? it has all the bad acting of a regular porno but with rape thrown in

wouldn't people who genuinely get off on the idea of raping someone in real life want to watch a bit harder stuff?

if you follow that logic, i don't see how you could ever think shaming casual porn site users is okay.

[Venomousbeetle]

Because you're being a complete tool pretending that there's some cycle of fetishes translating to the real world and mocking people about video games and other such stupid shit. You started talking about useless disclaimers so you could retreat to that when everyone thinks you're an idiot

[soccerskyman]

[QUOTE=wauterboi;50508150]Really, the both of you seem to be a little too heated over this.[/QUOTE]

lol nobody goes into SH taking things seriously

[Venomousbeetle]

[QUOTE=soccerskyman;50508175]lol nobody goes into SH taking things seriously[/QUOTE]

Don't even start going into "I was merely pretending" territory

[JumpinJackFlash]

What he doesn't know is I'm pretending to be a human.

In all ways except physical I am a dragon.

[editline]13th June 2016[/editline]

[roars in american]

[soccerskyman]

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50508168]They certainly won't be persuaded by sanctimonious "lmao you sick fuck" bullshit when they try to look, nevermind that xhamster has been enjoying a profit from these videos for a long time.

Except that's not what happened...? There was nothing gentle here, and even if that was the message word for word it's still insulting because [I][U]none[/U] of the porn was made with actual rapists in mind.[/I]
[/QUOTE]
Ok, clearly you;re on an entirely different page than I am. I am proposing something different that what xHampster did, not claiming that's what they did.

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50508168]
Neither does a disclaimer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[/QUOTE]
Professional help can. The disclaimer isn't doing the leverage, it's to point people in the right direction.

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50508168]
Why is the disclaimer [U]specifically[/U] on one thing and not on everything? Isn't [I]all[/I] porn and reality different? Why are you discriminating?
[/QUOTE]
because fictional rape porn is literally about a rape scenario? Sure its not real, but it doesn't get much more direct than that. Rape is the dangerous and tying factor in all this, and glamorizing it, is what can potentially be problematic.

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50508168]
It's kink shaming, you're equating people with a fetish with criminals and reminding them that they share peripheral interests. It's right up there with "if you eat meat you advocate torture" and "men should pay a rape tax."
[/QUOTE]
I mean, it's literally what the thing is about. Like, it is about rape. That's not kink shaming. Rape porn is about rape and rapists.

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;50508168]
My questioning of your argument boils down to "why are you doing this stupid shit, it's insensitive and ignorant and it won't even do anything."
[/QUOTE]

I don't see why it's not worth a shot. It's really not insensitive it all, and if that is offensive to you, I'll take the possibility of protecting sexual assault victims over offending some dude whacking it in his room.

[editline]13th June 2016[/editline]

[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50508179]Don't even start going into "I was merely pretending" territory[/QUOTE]

Pretending? I'm saying what I actually think, I'm just not getting all worried about an internet debate. It's all chill.

[editline]13th June 2016[/editline]

[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50508172]Because you're being a complete tool pretending that there's some cycle of fetishes translating to the real world and mocking people about video games and other such stupid shit. You started talking about useless disclaimers so you could retreat to that when everyone thinks you're an idiot[/QUOTE]

I mean, if rape fetishism is the literal fantasizing of rape. It itself, if left without proper mental health and sexual education, would perpetuate rape. Maybe I'm a kink-shamer or whatever for thinking that, but that sounds pretty reasonable to me.

[JumpinJackFlash]

[QUOTE=soccerskyman;50508208]Professional help can. The disclaimer isn't doing the leverage, it's to point people in the right direction.[/QUOTE]Again, everyone under the fucking sun despising rape isn't enough to do that? This isn't some sort of fucking secret buddy, everyone knows rape isn't okay and it's very wrong.

[QUOTE]because fictional rape porn is literally about a rape scenario?[/QUOTE]... So...? If your disclaimer is to remind people that porn is not at all equivalent to real life, why aren't you slapping a disclaimer on scat to remind people about the dangers of cholera? [QUOTE]Rape is the dangerous and tying factor in all this[/QUOTE]Oh, physical danger then. How about on general bondage about the pitfalls of dislocations and joint fatigue?
[QUOTE]glamorizing it,[/QUOTE]None of this glamorizes rape any more than bondage glamorizes torture.[QUOTE]is what can potentially be problematic.[/QUOTE]I can smell the stale stench of social justice warrior on you, it smells like bigotry and fear.

[QUOTE]I mean, it's literally what the thing is about. Like, it is about rape. That's not kink shaming. Rape porn is about rape and rapists.[/QUOTE]It's about [I]power[/I] and [I]dominance[/I] in a specific context, people who engage in the fetish get off on the transfer of control either to them or from them. That's why dialogue in BDSM porn is very specific, it's to create a certain emotion and atmosphere so the viewer (or participants) can have a certain experience.

You have absolutely no fucking clue what you're talking about. Thanks for reiterating how ignorant and malicious you truly are, you just missed the balance beam during those mental gymnastics you've been doing and we all saw it.

[QUOTE]I don't see why it's not worth a shot. It's really not insensitive it all, and if that is offensive to you, I'll take the possibility of protecting sexual assault victims over offending some dude whacking it in his room.[/QUOTE]Yeah that's all this is to you isn't it? Somebody masturbating in some dark room. Well this is a [I]lifestyle[/I] practiced by [I]real people[/I] and you've made it clear repeatedly that they perpetuate the "rape culture" and are mentally ill, only recently (as VenomousBeetle pointed out) have you changed your argument about "keeping people safe."

This was never about protecting sexual assault victims but instead about chasing after people with a fetish, you were clear about that in your first post:[QUOTE=soccerskyman;50507483]Rape fetishism is pretty fucked up. It legitimizes people as sexual prey, and it can definitely affect someones view of sex. While I think the shaming and censorship is unnecessary, I really appreciate the attempt to break the cycle. I would prefer like a warning about how it can be detrimental to your sexual health, and maybe a link to professional care if people feel they need help. Seriously though, some of you are as whiny about your porn as much as you are about video games. :v:[/QUOTE]

Moving on:
[QUOTE=soccerskyman;50508208]I mean, if rape fetishism is the literal fantasizing of rape.[/QUOTE]Just to reiterate: it isn't fantasizing about rape. It's right up there with cuckoldry and big, stretchy chunks of the latex fetish; it's about [I]power[/I] and often in the context of a relationship. D/s forceful sex as training or punishment is a very personal thing between two people, and part of the kink is seeing that intimate and sometimes [I]permanent[/I] passage of power.

[QUOTE]It itself, if left without proper mental health and sexual education, would perpetuate rape.[/QUOTE]Yeah this just makes me think of sexual reeducation camps in general where they do electroshock therapy and praying the gay away. "If we don't help these people and teach them they'll just perpetuate sodomy and erode traditional family values!" Take that shit and throw it into the trash.

[QUOTE]Maybe I'm a kink-shamer or whatever for thinking that[/QUOTE]No, you're just a simple bigot.
[QUOTE]but that sounds pretty reasonable to me.[/QUOTE]Of course it does, this line of thinking is [U]precisely[/U] why you're incapable of seeing why your retarded disclaimer is so insensitive.

[editline]13th June 2016[/editline]

This is why people can't live happy without worrying that they're going to be "outed" and ostracized for simply doing something that they enjoy. Arguing that "oh well deal with it if your offended xD who cares about these people anyway???" is the kind of sentiment that pushes us back socially, it's what allowed LGBT persecution well into the 90's and persists today. This is activity between consenting adults, the porn is for consenting adults, it's all geared toward fetishes between consenting adults; nobody needs "sexual education" that's a thinly veiled sneer against their sexual preferences.

[angrytoadnoises]

[QUOTE=soccerskyman;50508208]
I mean, if rape fetishism is the literal fantasizing of rape.[B] It itself, if left without proper mental health and sexual education[/B], would perpetuate rape. Maybe I'm a kink-shamer or whatever for thinking that, but that sounds pretty reasonable to me.[/QUOTE]

Most people have sexual education by the time they're viewing porn and you can't assume everyone has poor mental health.

It might seem reasonable to you but I'll just let you know it's not.