Israel votes to authorise illegal settler homes on Palestinian land - Polidicks

[QUOTE=DogGunn;51485298]Well the fact that they seem to be powerless to stop it... you'd think it would be time to try something different, but no, its more of the same, over and over again. [/quote] People tend to not act rationally when they think their well being is in danger. [quote]Well, it's strategically important when you have an enemy on your border, so it is a great way to prevent a war.[/QUOTE] It's [I]a[/I] way, not the [I]only[/I] way.

If the Israeli people want to be dicks, that's their prerogative, but they can't pretend to be blameless victims. They can't have their cake and eat it.

[QUOTE=GordonZombie;51485304]Even so, quite a few settlers still have a track record for antagonistic behaviour to the point that the IDF(? correct me if I'm wrong) have had to step in and designate separate pathways because both sides will tear into each other if allowed too close.[/QUOTE] The separate pathways that you are talking about is at Rachel's tomb and the Cave of the Patriarchs. In both cases, it was because Palestinians kept on attacking Jews.

[QUOTE=GordonZombie;51485304]Even so, quite a few settlers still have a track record for antagonistic behaviour to the point that the IDF(? correct me if I'm wrong) have had to step in and designate separate pathways because both sides will tear into each other if allowed too close.[/QUOTE] The settlers are almost guaranteed to be religious or Zionist assholes. But there is a point in having occupied land utilised - if it be by military or civilians (provided they're actually being useful for the area). Better than strategically important land being completely vacant.

[QUOTE=Anderan;51485305]People tend to not act rationally when they think their well being is in danger. It's [I]a[/I] way, not the [I]only[/I] way.[/QUOTE] So what's your suggestion? Remember that there used to be around 3 suicide bombings a week in Israel until we built a wall around the West Bank, and that's territory that we control. If we handed in all of the west bank to the PLO, it would be like Gaza except that the Iranians could actually send in heavy weaponry to the PLO. The Palestinian leadership doesn't want peace, they want to kill Jews and destroy Israel. They've demonstrated this throughout multiple peace offers, one of which gave them almost everything they wanted within reason. All were rejected by the Palestinians.

I mean this is really all the (past) Brit's fault for fucking up the initial plan for the region and leaving just as the violence kicked off. They learned little from the Irish Civil War.

[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51485380]I mean this is really all the (past) Brit's fault for fucking up the initial plan for the region and leaving just as the violence kicked off. They learned little from the Irish Civil War.[/QUOTE] There was violence during the British mandate, look at the Hebron massacre where the Arabs of Hebron slaughtered the Jews almost wholesale. there's a whole list on wikipedia [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_and_massacres_in_Mandatory_Palestine"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_and_massacres_in_Mandatory_Palestine[/URL]

[QUOTE=Svinnik;51485396]There was violence during the British mandate, look at the Hebron massacre where the Arabs of Hebron slaughtered the Jews almost wholesale. there's a whole list on wikipedia [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_and_massacres_in_Mandatory_Palestine"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_and_massacres_in_Mandatory_Palestine[/URL][/QUOTE] The massacre you mention killed 67 and yet the article also explicitly mentions over 400 Jews being hidden from the violence by Arab families.

[QUOTE=Svinnik;51485207]just a coincidence that you're comparing israel to the third reich other than any other colonizing force right? It's not comparable at all, the Nazis wanted more land and did it through a military invasion where they committed genocide. Israel was completely fine with the borders up until 1967 when we were attacked and we managed to fight back and capture enemy territory. Israel was not the aggressor looking to expand in these wars, they were the defender who were able to push back on enemy territory and decided to keep it. The people already living there had the chance to become integrated into Israeli society but refused.[/QUOTE] In effect Israel is preforming genocide on the Palestinians through forced deportations... I know its one of the weaksauced definitions of genocide, but ive gotten banned for merely suggesting a 'free choice' on the Indians, forcing deportation through the state seems a couple times over as bad. Also the reason the nazis are brought up is because they did exactly the same, militarily dominate the land then set up tiny little villages with German nationalists loyal to the government... they are just best known for it even though others before them did it better/worse Israel is not the good guy here, neither is groups like Hezbollah but for Palestine you can at least argue they are just a loose coalition of groups desperately trying to clinch on to their national identity, for Israel it has none of those defences. Ive talked to far too many American 'Israeli citizens at heart' that called for a Palestinian final solution to be unbiased about this though... and i bet if you listen to the other side they are just as vitriolic, but i have had the luck of only really coming into contact with one sides political filth.

Hamas is not about clinging to national identity, Hamas is about imposing Islamism and killing Jews. The word genocide is way too strong. I wasn't aware that genocided peoples get the option to become citizens of the country that is occupying them, entitling them to equal rights under the law and having representation in the genocider's culture, even being allowed to introduce and vote on laws that are against the interest of the genocider. The extremist solution of killing all of the palestinians or deporting all goyim died along with Kahane, the parties that advocate such things in Israel are banned.

[QUOTE=Svinnik;51485396]There was violence during the British mandate, look at the Hebron massacre where the Arabs of Hebron slaughtered the Jews almost wholesale. there's a whole list on wikipedia [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_and_massacres_in_Mandatory_Palestine"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_and_massacres_in_Mandatory_Palestine[/URL][/QUOTE] What about the [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing"]King David Hotel bombing?[/URL] What I was saying was that the British could very, very well have done quite a lot to help the situation and keep the peace. But they didn't. They failed, they learned literally nothing from the Irish Civil War, and thus have contributed heavily to the situation of Israel and Palestine. It's a huge marked failure for them.

[QUOTE=Anderan;51485406]The massacre you mention killed 67 and yet the article also explicitly mentions over 400 Jews being hidden from the violence by Arab families.[/QUOTE] So the fact that some families were kind enough to hide people makes the other few dozen killings okay? You can compare this to the crusades, when a certain german lord marched his armies through a part of the Rhineland, he decided to massacre the Jews that lived there. Many Jews were killed but the local bishop gave a lot of Jews sanctuary and protested against it. Just because someone did something good doesn't invalidate the underlying cultural problems that sparked the killings. [editline]6th December 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51485425]What about the [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing"]King David Hotel bombing?[/URL] What I was saying was that the British could very, very well have done quite a lot to help the situation and keep the peace. But they didn't. They failed, they learned literally nothing from the Irish Civil War, and thus have contributed heavily to the situation of Israel and Palestine. It's a huge marked failure for them.[/QUOTE] Jewish violence was a thing but even in the example you provided, the Jews tried to minimize casualties. [QUOTE]The Irgun sent warnings by telephone, including one to the hotel's own switchboard, which, possibly because hoax bomb warnings were rife at the time, the staff decided to ignore, but none directly to the British authorities.[15] From the fact that a bomb search had already been carried out, it appears that a hoax call or tip-off had been received at the hotel earlier that day.[14] Subsequent telephone calls from a concerned Palestine Post staff member and the police caused increasing alarm, and the hotel manager was notified. In the closing minutes before the explosion, he called an unknown British officer, but no evacuation was ordered.[15] Controversy has arisen over the timing and adequacy of the warnings and, based on the not necessarily true assumption that the number of people in the blast zone would have been reduced, the reasons why the hotel was not evacuated.[15] [/QUOTE]

There's a lot of confusion around the King David Bombing and it's warnings however: [QUOTE]Since the bombing, much controversy has ensued over the issues of when warnings were sent and how the British authorities responded. Irgun representatives have always stated that the warning was given well in advance of the explosion, so that adequate time was available to evacuate the hotel. Menachem Begin, for example, wrote that the telephone message was delivered 25–27 minutes before the explosion.[23] It is often stated that the British authorities have always denied that a warning was sent. However, what the British Government said, five months after the bombing, once the subsequent inquest and all the inquiries had been completed, was not that no warning had been sent, but that no such warning had been received by anyone at the Secretariat "in an official position with any power to take action."[24] American author Thurston Clarke's analysis of the bombing gave timings for calls and for the explosion, which he said took place at 12:37. He stated that as part of the Irgun plan, a sixteen-year-old recruit, Adina Hay (alias Tehia), was to make three warning calls before the attack. At 12:22 the first call was made, in both Hebrew and English, to a telephone operator on the hotel's switchboard (the Secretariat and the military each had their own, separate, telephone exchanges). It was ignored.[14] At 12:27, the second warning call was made to the French Consulate adjacent to the hotel to the north-east. This second call was taken seriously, and staff went through the building opening windows and closing curtains to lessen the impact of the blast. At 12:31 a third and final warning call to the Palestine Post newspaper was made. The telephone operator called the Palestine Police CID to report the message. She then called the hotel switchboard. The hotel operator reported the threat to one of the hotel managers. This warning resulted in the discovery of the milk cans in the basement, but by then it was too late.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Security analyst Bruce Hoffman wrote of the bombing in his book Inside Terrorism that: "Unlike many terrorist groups today, the Irgun's strategy was not deliberately to target or wantonly harm civilians. At the same time, though, the claim of Begin and other apologists that warnings were issued cannot absolve either the group or its commander for the ninety-one people killed and forty-five others injured ... Indeed, whatever nonlethal intentions the Irgun might or might not have had, the fact remains that a tragedy of almost unparalleled magnitude was inflicted ... so that to this day the bombing remains one of the world's single most lethal terrorist incidents of the twentieth century."[/QUOTE] You are right in that they did try to avoid civilian casualties but it certainly made things worse. It's not me to say which side is "right" or "wrong" or whatever - I just find the whole history of the region depressing and I hope that a solution will be found and accepted by both sides.

[QUOTE=Cructo;51485202]it's not your rightful land[/QUOTE] well, Israel in its entirety isn't their rightful land, they had no problem a century years ago, and they won't now.

[QUOTE=Nebrassy;51485742]well, Israel in its entirety isn't their rightful land, they had no problem a century years ago, and they won't now.[/QUOTE] UN and the bible disagrees with you there buddy

[QUOTE=Svinnik;51485759]UN and the bible disagrees with you there buddy[/QUOTE] I can understand citing the UN since what they say is important, but why is the Bible relevant in this discussion? Because of it's use as a semi-historical source?

[QUOTE=Svinnik;51485759]UN and the bible disagrees with you there buddy[/QUOTE] I was generally nodding to all the posts you've made in this thread but maybe we shouldn't apply the old testament to 21st century life.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;51485838]I was generally nodding to all the posts you've made in this thread but maybe we shouldn't apply the old testament to 21st century life.[/QUOTE] Pretty much the entire reason that Israel is in where Israel is now is because of the bible. I'm not saying that the bible should be followed, I'm saying that the bible's influence should not be discounted in the role of the foundation of Israel in Israel instead of Uganda or the Jewish Autonomous Oblast.

[QUOTE=Svinnik;51485759]UN and the bible disagrees with you there buddy[/QUOTE] Have fun continuing to break into someone else's home and being confused why they hate you. [editline]6th December 2016[/editline] It's horribly ironic how quickly jews claim antisemitism and how much they absolutely HATE palestinians. Which is also antisemitism.

[QUOTE=Radical_ed;51486068]Have fun continuing to break into someone else's home and being confused why they hate you. [editline]6th December 2016[/editline] It's horribly ironic how quickly jews claim antisemitism and how much they absolutely HATE palestinians. Which is also antisemitism.[/QUOTE] A lot of the homes that these settlers "break into" are ones that they already bought. This is not the case for all of the homes though. I've only called Hamas and the Palestinian leadership anti semitic because they have made anti semitic statements. The Hamas charter states: [QUOTE]Moreover, if the links have been distant from each other and if obstacles, placed by those who are the lackeys of Zionism in the way of the fighters obstructed the continuation of the struggle, the Islamic Resistance Movement aspires to the realisation of Allah's promise, no matter how long that should take. The Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, has said: "The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. Only the Gharkad tree, (evidently a certain kind of tree) would not do that because it is one of the trees of the Jews." (related by al-Bukhari and Moslem). [/QUOTE] Abu Mazen, the leader of the PLO, has stated that Jews wanted to poison the water that they provide to Palestinians. This is an old anti-semitic trope dating back to medieval Europe. [URL="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/06/24/palestinian-president-uses-anti-semitic-trope-against-israel-in-e-u-speech/"]Source[/URL] [QUOTE]“Only a week ago, a number of rabbis in Israel announced, and made a clear announcement, demanding that their government poison the water to kill the Palestinians," Abbas said, speaking in Brussels. “Isn't that clear incitement to commit mass killings against the Palestinian people?” The alleged rabbinical edict was first reported Sunday by Turkish news agency Anadolu. It said that a “Rabbi Shlomo Mlma, chairman of the Council of Rabbis in the West Bank settlements,” had issued an advisory to allow Jewish settlers to take such action, Reuters reported. But Reuters and none of the other news agencies in Israel were able to locate any rabbi named Shlomo Mlma or Mlmad, and there is no record of an organization called the Council of Rabbis in the West Bank.[/QUOTE] Abu Mazen also was the treasurer for Black September and secured the funds for the Munich massacre according to a book published by Abu Daoud, the mastermind of the massacre. Personally, I don't hate Palestinians, I feel bad for them because their leaders exploit them in order to skim off international aid money. Arafat died a billionaire, Khaled Mashall lives in luxury hotels, and Abu Mazen has a luxurious mansion in the middle of Ramallah while the Palestinian economy is trash. When the people do actually get supplies, they are forced to work building tunnels that are dangerous to work in and use up valuable concrete that could be used to rebuild after Hamas provokes war with Israel.

[QUOTE=Trebgarta;51486079] Now this is stupid. Svinnik has shown absolutely no signs of any hatred towards Palestinians, nor has he played the antisemitism card. You are just being dumb.[/QUOTE] How else exactly do you explain constantly encroaching on their land Svinnik has also repeatedly called palestinians "Our enemy", and implied that Palestine wants to kill all jews. [editline]6th December 2016[/editline] [quote]The Palestinian leadership doesn't want peace, they want to kill Jews and destroy Israel.[/quote] you literally cannot say this does not imply bias.

[QUOTE=Radical_ed;51486209]How else exactly do you explain constantly encroaching on their land Svinnik has also repeatedly called palestinians "Our enemy", and implied that Palestine wants to kill all jews.[/QUOTE] The government of Hamas is an enemy of Israel and the government of the PLO pays terrorists a salary while they are in Israeli prison for committing terror attacks that kill Israeli civilians. What do you call people who do this? I wouldn't call them friends. And for the kill all Jews part, look at the part of the Hamas charter that I quoted. The popular phrase "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.” implies the destruction of Israel.

[QUOTE=Svinnik;51485422]Hamas is not about clinging to national identity, Hamas is about imposing Islamism and killing Jews. The word genocide is way too strong. I wasn't aware that genocided peoples get the option to become citizens of the country that is occupying them, entitling them to equal rights under the law and having representation in the genocider's culture, even being allowed to introduce and vote on laws that are against the interest of the genocider. The extremist solution of killing all of the palestinians or deporting all goyim died along with Kahane, the parties that advocate such things in Israel are banned.[/QUOTE] [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_genocide[/URL] Article 7 of a 1994 draft of the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples used the phrase "cultural genocide" but did not define what it meant.[8] The complete article in the draft read as follows: (a) Any action which has the aim or effect of depriving them of [B]their integrity as distinct peoples[/B], or of their [B]cultural values or ethnic identities[/B]; (b) Any action which has the aim or effect of [B]dispossessing them of their lands, territories or resources[/B]; (c) Any form of [B]population transfer[/B] which has the aim or effect of violating or undermining any of their rights; (d) Any form of [B]assimilation or integration by other cultures or ways of life imposed on them by legislative, administrative or other measures[/B]; (e) Any form of [B]propaganda directed against them[/B]. So yes, i guess we can now safely say Israel is preforming cultural genocide on the Palestinians. [QUOTE] Israel has given more than 3x their current territory solely for talks of piece and yet they're instantly invoked in the Godwin law in online discussions [/QUOTE] Its hard to state this again and again and keep my sanity but the current Palestinian provisional government (Yes that includes fucking hamaz, even if i agree they are terrorists) accepts the suggested 2state solution negotiated under Bill Clinton and suggested and drafted in cooperation and agreement with Benjamin Netanjahu without any new provisions, Israel however does not. This document also was used as a starting position in the 2013 talks i participated in as a volunteer organiser, yet again my friend Ben strung people along and tipped the table as soon as any pressure came in the direction of actually signing anything and getting shit done. Only reason it never passed is because of Benjamin Netanjahu... and some untimely death of a Palestinian politician but you can hardly blame him for dying of old age waiting for Benjamin Netanjahu to sign...

[QUOTE=Blizzerd;51486252][URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_genocide[/URL] Article 7 of a 1994 draft of the United Nations Declaration on the Rights of Indigenous Peoples used the phrase "cultural genocide" but did not define what it meant.[8] The complete article in the draft read as follows: (a) Any action which has the aim or effect of depriving them of [B]their integrity as distinct peoples[/B], or of their [B]cultural values or ethnic identities[/B]; (b) Any action which has the aim or effect of [B]dispossessing them of their lands, territories or resources[/B]; (c) Any form of [B]population transfer[/B] which has the aim or effect of violating or undermining any of their rights; (d) Any form of [B]assimilation or integration by other cultures or ways of life imposed on them by legislative, administrative or other measures[/B]; (e) Any form of [B]propaganda directed against them[/B]. [/QUOTE] (a) Any action which has the aim or effect of depriving them of [B]their integrity as distinct peoples[/B], or of their [B]cultural values or ethnic identities[/B]; You mean like how we call them by the name of their nation, Palestine? (b) Any action which has the aim or effect of [B]dispossessing them of their lands, territories or resources[/B]; You mean like giving away the Gaza strip to Palestine? (c) Any form of [B]population transfer[/B] which has the aim or effect of violating or undermining any of their rights; You mean like allowing Israel citizens to practice capitalism by buying Palestinian houses? (d) Any form of [B]assimilation or integration by other cultures or ways of life imposed on them by legislative, administrative or other measures[/B]; You mean like allowing them to have equal rights under Israeli law when they are (e) Any form of [B]propaganda directed against them[/B] You mean allowing anti Palestinian propaganda to be drawn by Israeli citizens while the government doesn't participate in making anti-Palestinian propaganda, just hasbara propaganda.

[QUOTE=Svinnik;51486371](a) Any action which has the aim or effect of depriving them of [B]their integrity as distinct peoples[/B], or of their [B]cultural values or ethnic identities[/B]; You mean like how we call them by the name of their nation, Palestine? (b) Any action which has the aim or effect of [B]dispossessing them of their lands, territories or resources[/B]; You mean like giving away the Gaza strip to Palestine? (c) Any form of [B]population transfer[/B] which has the aim or effect of violating or undermining any of their rights; You mean like allowing Israel citizens to practice capitalism by buying Palestinian houses? (d) Any form of [B]assimilation or integration by other cultures or ways of life imposed on them by legislative, administrative or other measures[/B]; You mean like allowing them to have equal rights under Israeli law when they are (e) Any form of [B]propaganda directed against them[/B] You mean allowing anti Palestinian propaganda to be drawn by Israeli citizens while the government doesn't participate in making anti-Palestinian propaganda, just hasbara propaganda.[/QUOTE] Do you literally not understand how what Isreal is doing is incredibly antagonistic and breaking the Geneva convention? [editline]6th December 2016[/editline] Think about it from their perspective. You took their land, and are constantly taking more. You are far more affluent than them, and wayyy more powerful. They really have no recourse to stop you. Every year you take more and more of their land, and modify their rights, and the death ratio of Israel vs. Palestine is INCREDIBLE. All they see, every day, is their sovereignty getting trampled on by a people that they don't particularly like in the first place, and that with every passing day gets worse and worse. Israel has all the power. They are in complete control. All the violence directed at them is entirely their own fault for being so fucking antagonistic. When you have power, you do not act like a god damn CHILD, you figure out what each country [I]actually[/I] wants and needs, and you reach an agreement. Israel has, instead, elected to basically ACT like they want peace, but then antagonize and use the response as justification to claim more land and oppression money from the U.S..

[QUOTE=Radical_ed;51486459]Do you literally not understand how what Isreal is doing is incredibly antagonistic and breaking the Geneva convention?[/QUOTE] Israel allows its citizens to move into the West Bank and allocates soldiers to protect their citizens in the west bank but doesn't encourage citizens to move into the West Bank. There's no tax breaks or special honor for moving into the west bank. [QUOTE]Israel has all the power. They are in complete control. All the violence directed at them is entirely their own fault for being so fucking antagonistic. When you have power, you do not act like a god damn CHILD, you figure out what each country actually wants and needs, and you reach an agreement. Israel has, instead, elected to basically ACT like they want peace, but then antagonize and use the response as justification to claim more land and oppression money from the U.S.. [/QUOTE] how do we antagonize, we didn't start the last few wars and the Bibi govt tried to defuse the 2014 war before it happened because of army cuts. Gaza could have been the Singapore of the Middle East if the Palestinians had not elected Hamas, why should Israel be responsible for the bad decisions of the Palestinian people?

[QUOTE=Svinnik;51486492]Israel allows its citizens to move into the West Bank and allocates soldiers to protect their citizens in the west bank but doesn't encourage citizens to move into the West Bank. There's no tax breaks or special honor for moving into the west bank. how do we antagonize, we didn't start the last few wars and the Bibi govt tried to defuse the 2014 war before it happened because of army cuts. Gaza could have been the Singapore of the Middle East if the Palestinians had not elected Hamas, why should Israel be responsible for the bad decisions of the Palestinian people?[/QUOTE] because israel is mostly responsible for driving the palestinians to such desperate measures? you can't just break into somones home and squat and then get pissy when they try get you to fuck off. both sides are just as at fault as each other but you seem to conveniently throw away the feelings of an entire nation of people because it doesn't suit what you believe to be the case.

[QUOTE=Cructo;51486554]Does that justify invading Palestinian land? Should Mexico start invading Texas and California because of the "bad decisions" of the American people this year?[/QUOTE] If Texas and California had been shooting rockets aimed at civilian centers then yes, Mexico would be entirely justified [editline]6th December 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Crumpet;51486559]because israel is mostly responsible for driving the palestinians to such desperate measures? you can't just break into somones home and squat and then get pissy when they try get you to fuck off. both sides are just as at fault as each other but you seem to conveniently throw away the feelings of an entire nation of people because it doesn't suit what you believe to be the case.[/QUOTE] The entire conflict started when the Palestinians rejected the Partition Plan which gave them a bigger state with more arable land in favor of letting the surrounding arab countries invade and wipe out the Zionists. Zionists survived and founded a country that was approved by the UN. As soon as the British had abandoned the mandate, the land was free to anyone who wanted to claim a country there.

[QUOTE=Svinnik;51486560]If Texas and California had been shooting rockets aimed at civilian centers then yes, Mexico would be entirely justified [editline]6th December 2016[/editline] The entire conflict started when the Palestinians rejected the Partition Plan which gave them a bigger state with more arable land in favor of letting the surrounding arab countries invade and wipe out the Zionists. Zionists survived and founded a country that was approved by the UN. As soon as the British had abandoned the mandate, the land was free to anyone who wanted to claim a country there.[/QUOTE] i know the history behind it, i'm not disputing that. i'm addressing the fact that you paint a nation of millions with the same brush without attempting to think why they might feel how they do.

[QUOTE=Crumpet;51486575]i know the history behind it, i'm not disputing that. i'm addressing the fact that you paint a nation of millions with the same brush without attempting to think why they might feel how they do.[/QUOTE] I understand how they feel but they should blame their leaders for not being able to achieve a peace deal. For example, this peace deal was everything that the Palestinians wanted handed to them on a silver plate but they still refused. [URL="http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/Details-of-Olmerts-peace-offer-to-Palestinians-exposed-314261"]http://www.jpost.com/Diplomacy-and-Politics/Details-of-Olmerts-peace-offer-to-Palestinians-exposed-314261[/URL]