• Muslims must embrace our British values, David Cameron says
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I think Islam is more excepted over there so they took control over more culture. so they can get away with saying more things.
[QUOTE=Jund;27867259]Are European Muslims different than American Muslims?[/QUOTE] in a lot of ways but the more important issue is the treatment of muslims in america and europe american muslims do not stand out as much as muslims in europe because in a lot of ways, many places in europe are still homogenized and strongly holding of the status quo
[QUOTE=Jund;27867259]Are European Muslims different than American Muslims?[/QUOTE] American Muslims experienced increased discrimination in some areas post 9/11, but for the most part they mix rather well within American society.
[QUOTE=thisispain;27867278]in a lot of ways but the more important issue is the treatment of muslims in america and europe american muslims do not stand out as much as muslims in europe because in a lot of ways, many places in europe are still homogenized and strongly holding of the status quo[/QUOTE] Probably a lot of that has to do with Europe mostly taking poor, immigrant Muslims and there being more of them than in America. Good chance of it happening yet in America if their numbers rise quickly or they become like many other minorities and have lower than average income.
[QUOTE=Hezzy;27866814]I would argue that they're not citizens if they don't want to hold the country's values and practice its traditions.[/QUOTE] well wow first how do you define an entire country's values and traditions (since even white god-fearing native brits like different things) and who defines them? second what do you propose doing with these not-citizens, ex-brits and nonconforming immigrants alike? reeducation?
I don't really have a good grasp on this situation seeing as how I don't live in Europe. Never really understood how Muslims are trying to "culturally take over".
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;27867098] The muslims "trying to bring about sharia in britain" are a small minority. The majority of british muslims aren't trying to do that.[/QUOTE] the sharia courts in britain, which are completely overblown btw, are impartial tribunals which are held to be cheaper civil courts that both parties have to agree with the idea behind justice is that you have to have a jury of your peers, and the idea is that a sharia civil court will have a jury of your peers
A muslim Hungry Jacks won't serve bacon at their store which majorly pisses me off. Not because it's against their beliefs, mainly because I want some goddam bacon on my burger/
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;27867098]The (vast majority of the) ones in britain don't. If they were happy living in their Sharia-law-ed home countries, they wouldn't have moved to Britain.\[/QUOTE] Um, I'm sure they would've immigrated to Britain for economic opportunity, not anything to do with sharia law.
[QUOTE=Jund;27867337]I don't really have a good grasp on this situation seeing as how I don't live in Europe. Never really understood how Muslims are trying to "culturally take over".[/QUOTE] whenever a group of people that are slightly different enter a homogeneous society there is going to be friction the thing about them is that by nature they are very political due to the cultures they came from, so they are not going to be a silent minority either it's comparable to the same outrages about punk rockers and acid clubbers, there's just a more global and touchy perspective to it
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;27867276]I think Islam is more excepted over there so they took control over more culture. so they can get away with saying more things.[/QUOTE] ya i think the same, they kindof go along with the flough of things, they just fit in more better you know?
[QUOTE=Pace.;27867355]Um, I'm sure they would've immigrated to Britain for economic opportunity, not anything to do with sharia law.[/QUOTE] not exactly true, i knew a lot of muslim people who left their countries because they were politically or criminally in danger
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;27867203]Sounds racist to me but whatever.[/QUOTE] I dont think it's racist. If you decide to emigrate to another country then you should adapt to the way they live in that country
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;27867382]I dont think it's racist. If you decide to emigrate to another country then you should adapt to the way they live in that country[/QUOTE] which they do but you cannot expect people to abandon their cultures, and you shouldn't either because a lost culture is a sad thing
[QUOTE=Brage Nyman;27867080]Whats the difference between Muslims in sweden and Muslims in the uk? They need to adapt to western values and society.[/QUOTE] Your problem is that you have a deep seated hatred of people different than you so of course you'll only see the stereotypical "bad" muslims
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;27867382]I dont think it's racist. If you decide to emigrate to another country then you should adapt to the way they live in that country[/QUOTE] Expecting them to follow the law and respect your culture isn't racist (and the vast majority of muslim immigrants do). But expecting them to pretend that they aren't muslim and abandon their own culture is racist.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;27867406]Your problem is that you have a deep seated hatred of people different than you so of course you'll only see the stereotypical "bad" muslims[/QUOTE] i dont like things that are different
I say its racist if you stop them from being able to practice there culture. well as long as it doesnt break the law. [QUOTE=reggae reggae s;27867372]ya i think the same, they kindof go along with the flough of things, they just fit in more better you know?[/QUOTE] off topic but why did you send me a message calling me a retard? I was eating pizza and having a good day and that ruined it man.
if only the forum had private messages for this kind of thing
Bravo Britain. I wish America and our President had the kind of balls your government and Prime Minister does.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;27867451]off topic but why did you send me a message calling me a retard? I was eating pizza and having a good day and that ruined it man.[/QUOTE] oh man sorry i was just going have more reads of your posts and they kindof made me angry to read, i didnt like them i didnt send you a message by the way, was a profile comment
if we wanna talk about the things that bother english people in their day to day lives then let's talk about that poverty debt bankruptcy broken economy education separation of church and state free speech none of these have anything to do with our resident 3% minority population
[QUOTE=thisispain;27867364]whenever a group of people that are slightly different enter a homogeneous society there is going to be friction the thing about them is that by nature they are very political due to the cultures they came from, so they are not going to be a silent minority either it's comparable to the same outrages about punk rockers and acid clubbers, there's just a more global and touchy perspective to it[/QUOTE] Huh. Well, I do live in one of the major melting pots of America, so I guess it wouldn't be weird that people of different cultures have tension in other parts of the world. I just hope that this ends peacefully.
[QUOTE=ItchyBarracuda;27867475]Bravo Britain. I wish America and our President had the kind of balls your government and Prime Minister does.[/QUOTE] hey there is a solid case for why you are wrong spread out through multiple posts in this thread. Maybe you should read the posts in a thread before posting in it.
[QUOTE=ItchyBarracuda;27867475]Bravo Britain. I wish America and our President had the kind of balls your government and Prime Minister does.[/QUOTE] america would stand to gain nothing and nothing would be accomplished this is something to be embarrassed about, and i know many english people will be embarrased
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;27867510]hey there is a solid case for why you are wrong spread out through multiple posts in this thread. Maybe you should read the posts in a thread before posting in it.[/QUOTE] Nah, I have a life.
i mean I go through the trouble to post out detailed, well-thought-out criticisms of the op and even go through the trouble of posting some capital letters and punctuation and people just skip over it and say "Yay go cam-cam we luve you" and it just aug [B]edit:[/B] [QUOTE=thisispain;27867512]america would stand to gain nothing and nothing would be accomplished this is something to be embarrassed about, and i know many english people will be embarrased[/QUOTE] even the base of the statement, that "multiculturalism has failed", is flawed because, to my knowledge, britain is not crumbling or losing economic prosperity or even having a shortage of [stereotypical british passion]. i mean what gives
[QUOTE=ItchyBarracuda;27867522]Nah, I have a life.[/QUOTE] a life punctuated by a vacuum where a thought should be seriously, think before you post
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;27867527]i mean I go through the trouble to post out detailed, well-thought-out criticisms of the op and even go through the trouble of posting some capital letters and punctuation and people just skip over it and say "Yay go cam-cam we luve you" and it just aug[/QUOTE] You deserve a standing ovation sir. Keep crying racism though if you really want them destroying your country that badly.
[QUOTE=ItchyBarracuda;27867522]Nah, I have a life.[/QUOTE] ex mods still got iT
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