• ISRAEL THREAD (Post new Israel threads = get banned)
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[QUOTE=Zeke129;22396550]They need recognition from the other countries. That's exactly why places like Sealand aren't officially countries. [/QUOTE] Sealand isn't comprised of an ethnic group, so no they can't just declare independence. [QUOTE=Zeke129;22396550]Yeah, like his right to shelter or food or a decent life. Kind of like what the Israelis are doing to the Palestinians.[/QUOTE] Yeah, except it's justified, since their government is firing rockets at our civilians, and there's no way to properly fight the government in a regular military manner, since that would put even more civilians at risk.
[QUOTE=Billiam;22395413]Where did I state I maniacally support the UN? They make good decisions and bad decisions. Also yeah, 1-12% [url]http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Maps/Story571.html[/url] I know it's a biased source, but they offer documentation so whatever. Yes, I didn't read one of the most posted Wiki articles ever on this forum. Palestine wasn't recognized officially, but that has fuck-all to do with it. The fact is the Arabs inhabited most of the land and had been on that land for years without a problem, then all of a sudden a single Partition plan took loads of their land. Quit that bullshit. A war on terror can be waged while minimizing civilians casualties, lessening closures and actually working towards two independent states was actually one of Israel's more successful tactics. Hamas was most powerful during the 2000's which was when Israel/Palestine negotiations went down the shitter. Bombing schools and hospitals will not buy you love from the Palestinian populous, which is exactly what they need if they want the attacks to stop. Being Israeli is a gigantic factor of whether or not you're anti-Israel or not. What? The UN makes one bad decisions so all of its decisions lose it's credibility? There's a difference between establishing a country on another group's land and establishing guidelines for the sea. By the way, there are other reasons to be anti-Israel excluding its creation.[/QUOTE] So we agree that the creation of Israel does not involve Israeli actions, legal or illegal. So you shouldn't have mentioned it at all. Israeli have the same right to live there as the Palestinians have. The whole fuckin world except Palestinians agree on that. About the 10% I don't even want to read it. You are just seeking things to blame Israel for. Minimize casualties? Do you think the Israeli hate the Palestinians so much that want to kill as many civilians as possible given any oppurtunity? Have you noticed that Israel is not at war with Palestine but with Hamas, and targets Hamas? Whereas, Hamas is at "war" with all the Israeli and targets civilians? Do you call that war? I like what someone said on another forum: If Hamas ceases fire there will be peace tomorrow, if Israel ceases fire there will be no Israel tomorrow. Oh, and about the UN, I think you just choose the legislations and decisions that you like. Pick a side, whether you support UN decisions or you don't.
[QUOTE=UncleJimmema;22392644]I do stand corrected on them not breaking the blockade, but heading toward the blockade with probable reason to break it is reason enough to board. If you've ever read what I had stated in any of the other threads what happened before that, while important, is irrelevant to what happened during the boarding of the ship. First, at the time of the boarding there was no live fire. The commandos landed on board and were attacked as soon as they reached the mob.[/QUOTE] How do you know? [QUOTE=UncleJimmema;22392644]Second, they already had weapons prepared and carried things such as bullet proof vests and gas masks. While if they stated that they were anything but a peaceful aid vessel it would be justifiable, but they stated that they were going to be a peaceful ship! [/QUOTE] They donned the vests and the rods and the masks after they had been fired upon, according to themselves. [QUOTE=UncleJimmema;22392644]Third, it is known that there were mercenaries on board. They were the ones who spearheaded the attack on the commandos. Why would a peaceful aid vessel need mercenaries on board?![/QUOTE] What? There weren't any mercenaries on board? Where are you getting this from? [QUOTE=UncleJimmema;22392644]In my opinion this whole thing was orchestrated to get the exact reaction that a majority of the world is giving towards Israel.[/QUOTE] Israel pulls this kind of shit, and you wonder why people react this way? Are you thick or something? Mind you, this isn't the first time Israel's been behaving like a bunch of pricks. Far from it, in fact. Need I remind you that they used WP against a UN school used to house civilians on purpose during the last major conflict?
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Wow I feel like a prick now, before this I was all "eh..." on the thought of who was in the wrong here, now that I hear an American is dead I am just about 100% sure the IDF fucked up badly.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22386209]As you are an anti-Israeli, and GunFox is a pro-Israeli, have you have been in an argument on the matter?[/QUOTE] to be honest, GunFox doesn't have any credibility. he was supporting the American Apache crew who gunned down Iraqi civilians if you ever read the 70 pages of arguing about that incident [editline]05:12PM[/editline] [QUOTE=evilweazel;22399854]Wow I feel like a prick now, before this I was all "eh..." on the thought of who was in the wrong here, now that I hear an American is dead I am just about 100% sure the IDF fucked up badly.[/QUOTE] it took an American dying for you to realize they fucked up? what about the other 8 people who were murdered? what is wrong with you
I can't wait to hear Iran's response on this. It's gonna be hilarious!
[QUOTE=evilweazel;22399854]Wow I feel like a prick now, before this I was all "eh..." on the thought of who was in the wrong here, now that I hear an American is dead I am just about 100% sure the IDF fucked up badly.[/QUOTE] :frog:
So much false info is leaking :( There were 9 dead not 8. And read the article, he was shot 4 times in the head and 1 time from the chest. 5 times ? Whoah professionality right there. We can't be sure what kind of guns were used and what not cuz' Israel took the bullets out before giving the body back. The workers also say that they were forced to drink a blue liquid then they passed out.
[QUOTE=Zarfa;22400714]The workers also say that they were forced to drink a blue liquid then they passed out.[/QUOTE] Wow. I'm not even an Israel sympathizer, and that sounds like bullshit.
[QUOTE=1/4 Life;22400766]Wow. I'm not even an Israel sympathizer, and that sounds like bullshit.[/QUOTE] They all say the same thing even the director and BBC worker. I'm not trusting on that either but its not usual for them all to say the same thing. Their urines are still being tested.
[QUOTE=Zarfa;22400714]We can't be sure what kind of guns were used and what not cuz' Israel took the bullets out before giving the body back.[/QUOTE] IDF uses Glock 17
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22384132]Well actually if I was dying I would want to shoot whoever was attacking me at least several times, although I'd imagine commandos are trained to shoot once and make it count.[/QUOTE] Are you really defending this [editline]10:08PM[/editline] really
[QUOTE=Sleepy Head;22384058]i don't mean to sound like an asshole but what makes this person more important than the other eight?[/QUOTE] He was 19 and shot in the head four times.
FUcking israel. i respected the country and its army, but now i fucking dont!
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22384119]Trigger happy finger?[/QUOTE] Oh yeah they totally shot him in self defence. NO WAIT REALLY!! I HAVE A THEORY!!! :science: Ok here's how it goes, the activists [U]ARE[/U] actually terrorists!! Transporting the T virus to Gaza for use against Israel, the commandos got covert intelligence stating this, that guy rushed them as the commandos came aboard,the rookie got spooked and shot him. The T virus was released in an advanced and stronger form, [B]allowing it to re animate the dead multiple times!!! [U]Thus he was shot in the head 4 times[/U][/B]
[QUOTE=Perfumly;22401170]Are you really defending this [editline]10:08PM[/editline] really[/QUOTE] AS retarded as it is, yes. Yes he is. Til his very death with his eyes and ears sealed shut to evidence of all things against his beliefs.
[QUOTE=Foda;22385232]the average human height is 1.7m. the body falls at 9.8m/s as soon as the first bullet hit his head. that means that he would have to fire 4 shots at the head (which is falling) in less than 1/2 of a second. the best shooters in the world can shoot one shot in just over 1/10th of a second.[/QUOTE]Don't forget the one in the chest.
[QUOTE=Aidos;22399078]So we agree that the creation of Israel does not involve Israeli actions, legal or illegal. So you shouldn't have mentioned it at all. Israeli have the same right to live there as the Palestinians have. The whole fuckin world except Palestinians agree on that. [/QUOTE] Uh, I didn't bring up the legality of Israels existence, read the thread man. Also Israeli Jews have the right to live there no doubt, but whether the creation of their state was legal was the issue. [QUOTE=Aidos;22399078]You are just seeking things to blame Israel for. Minimize casualties? Do you think the Israeli hate the Palestinians so much that want to kill as many civilians as possible given any oppurtunity? [/QUOTE] Firing white phosphorus into a school-yard filled with civilians in the middle of a city. I understand they were targeting Hamas, but firing on civilians is never justified. Also don't assume that I disapprove of their actions because they're Israeli, living is serious business. [QUOTE=Aidos;22399078]Have you noticed that Israel is not at war with Palestine but with Hamas, and targets Hamas? Whereas, Hamas is at "war" with all the Israeli and targets civilians? Do you call that war? [/QUOTE] What the Hell are you on about, why did you even bring Hamas up? Hamas Qassam brigades are no doubt terrorist and Hamas wants Israel gone, what's your point? I'm not a fan of Hamas either, your argument is nil. [QUOTE=Aidos;22399078]Oh, and about the UN, I think you just choose the legislations and decisions that you like. Pick a side, whether you support UN decisions or you don't.[/QUOTE] What is this? Apparently everything is in black and white? Either the UN is an all powerful perfect being without fault or they're the epitome of wrongdoings and bad decisions. The UN makes good decisions and bad decisions, I back my opinions on each of them up with facts. The UN is like any other institution, they aren't perfect, but they hit their marks, by your logic I should be anti-everything.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22388922]Hahaha I love how butthurt terrorist sympathizers are rating me boxes.[/QUOTE] You really are retarded aren't you. Defending Aid workers who were shot in the head 4 times =/= terrorist sympathisers you jackass.
Even if the CNS is completely destroyed, the body can still react for up to eight seconds.
[QUOTE=JDK721;22399883] it took an American dying for you to realize they fucked up? what about the other 8 people who were murdered? what is wrong with you[/QUOTE] I was pretty sure the IDF fucked up then, but it feels more sure to me now. I don't know, i'm an asshole, I know.
[QUOTE=Loen;22404099]Even if the CNS is completely destroyed, the body can still react for up to eight seconds.[/QUOTE] I don't want to hop on the band wagon but I don't really think that twitching on the ground justifies the other 3 bullets.
Centuries old arguments still being fought. So sad. I'm sure after 2000 years the stories of how this conflict for the holy land has gotten skewed as hell.
The only way I see this is if he survived the shot to the chest, kept on charging, and the soldier decided to land four more bullets in his skull. It is possible, albeit you have to be extremely trained to fire that fast and keep on target. Which they are.
[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;22404426]I don't want to hop on the band wagon but I don't really think that twitching on the ground justifies the other 3 bullets.[/QUOTE] No man, what he means is that the body moved freely towards the gun barrel 3 more times. This is a joke btw.
[QUOTE=ChestyMcGee;22388812]Lovely there was no violence. But this is still an aid ship. I don't understand what gives them the right to halt an aid ship. I can understand the boarding - it's to check for anything... harmful? I don't comprehend them controlling the ship completely though.[/QUOTE] It'd be very easy for a ship to try to suicide-run a blockade ship. They had to have top security.
[QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;22404620]The only way I see this is if he survived the shot to the chest, kept on charging, and the soldier decided to land four more bullets in his skull. It is possible, albeit you have to be extremely trained to fire that fast and keep on target. Which they are.[/QUOTE] Or if the whole squad fired on him at once, they're trained to do that i'm pretty sure.
[QUOTE=evilweazel;22405041]Or if the whole squad fired on him at once, they're trained to do that i'm pretty sure.[/QUOTE] I thought they were always to aim for center mass?
[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;22405117]I thought they were always to aim for center mass?[/QUOTE] Yes, but evilweazel may be right. But we could only tell that if they released the autopsy report, which may never happen.
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