ISRAEL THREAD (Post new Israel threads = get banned)
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What does it matter what country he's from. People are all the same.
What I'd be pissed about is that he was shot 4 times in the head. That is [I]not[/I] a wound somebody would receive from a defensive action. If I was afraid somebody would attack me with a metal pole, I'd shoot them in the chest or leg, I wouldn't shoot them in the head four times.
Don't forget that these commandos are brainwashed lunatics, they actually think these people are terrorists. This was clearly an aggressive, offensive action, not defensive.
[quote]Six of the nine passengers killed in an Israeli raid on an aid convoy bound for Gaza were shot by a single Israeli commando, who is being considered for a medal of valour for saving his injured comrades as passengers attacked them with clubs, knives and even guns they had taken from downed Navy Seals.
Fresh details of the controversial raid, which has led to accusations of “piracy” and “state terrorism” being levelled against Israel, and which wrecked its strategic partnership with Turkey, emerged yesterday. There were reports that passengers who attacked the Israeli boarding party had been dragging three captured commandos into the hold of the ship when the shooting broke out.
And a British passenger who witnessed the deadly pre-dawn encounter in international waters said that some of the more peaceful activists on board had tried to protect captured Israeli soldiers being set upon by a hardcore of passengers, most of them believed to be Turks linked to an Islamic charity accused by Israel of having links to extremists.
The Israeli commando who killed six of the passengers of Mavi Marmara, the Turkish ferry owned by the IHH charity, said that he had been the last of 15 soldiers to rappel down the rope from an overhead helicopter on to the decks of the ship, which he described as “a battlefield”.
Identified for security reasons only as Staff Sergeant S, he said that contrary to initial Israeli Army reports, the shooting had started within minutes as he and his comrades were set upon by a “mob of mercenaries”.
As he landed on the ship’s top deck, he said he saw three of his superior officers who had landed ahead of him lying wounded, one with a bullet wound to the stomach, another shot in the knee and the third beaten unconscious.
Taking charge, he formed his men in a perimeter around the wounded, pulled his 9mm Glock pistol and opened fire on passengers he accused of shooting at the boarding party with guns taken off the first soldiers, who had been overwhelmed as they landed one by one.
“When I hit the deck, I was immediately attacked by people with bats, metal pipes and axes,” the sergeant recalled. “These were without a doubt terrorists. I could see the murderous rage in their eyes and that they were coming to kill us.”
He said he saw one of the passengers holding a seized pistol to another Israeli commando’s head.
His accusation that his assailants were mercenaries was based on the large amounts of cash found on a number of the detained and killed passengers, although other officials have suggested the money was destined to be given to Hamas in Gaza if the convoy succeeded in breaking the Israeli naval blockade.
New footage released by Israel, and apparently filmed by activists before the boarding had started before dawn on Monday, showed an Israeli assault craft full of helmeted commandos pull alongside the Mavi Marmara, where men waving metal pipes and a chain leant overboard to ward them off.
Others were emptying fire hoses at the Israeli boat below, while a stun grenade was dropped into the vessel, exploding among the soldiers.
Some Israeli officials have accused the Turks who attacked them of links to terrorist groups, although it was unclear why, in that case, the soldiers of Flotilla 13, the elite Navy Seals unit involved in the operation, were briefed only to expect peaceful resistance.
The question also remained as to why the passengers, if they were indeed terrorists, did not use deadlier weapons against the approaching naval launches and helicopters hovering overhead.
Alexandra Lort-Phillips, 37, an activist from Hackney, was on the Mavi Marmara when it was stormed and described seeing an Israeli soldier taken down into the stairwell below the deck where the soldiers landed.
“I went down the stairwell and there was a massive crowd of people and lots of shouting,” she said, after being deported to Istanbul.
“They had got a soldier who had boarded the ship from the roof. There was a sense of ‘My god, we’ve got an Israeli soldier’. I don’t think we really knew what we were going to do.”
“I saw a gun being taken. His gunbelt was removed and someone, I don’t know who, ran past me with the weapon and disappeared. They could have shot him but didn’t.” She said around 25 people were gathered around the soldier, who was held by his legs and stripped to his underwear as he was restrained.
“The women who were there were shouting ‘Don’t hurt him’.” Ms Lort-Phillips denied he was beaten, but said: “There were obviously some guys there who were extremely agitated by the situation. It is like you’d expect when there’s a fight between men.” As Israel desperately tried to limit the damage caused by the bloodbath on the high seas, the organisers of the aid flotilla said another boat was due to challenge the blockade and make for Gaza at the weekend.
The Rachel Corrie, an Irish-flagged ship, is named after a young American peace activist who was crushed to death by an Israeli bulldozer in 2003 while trying to prevent the army from demolishing a Palestinian home in Gaza. Organisers said it was steaming straight for Gaza with Mairead Maguire, winner of an Irish Nobel Peace Prize, on board.[/quote]
[url]http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article7144099.ece[/url]
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[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d4/Medal_of_Valor_Medal.JPG[/img]
Shouldn't this be done until after the investigation. But if they're honourable soldiers, I doubt they'll accept it.
Maybe it small squad armed with pipes on a boat full of heavily armed commands, he'd deserve it.
Debatable whether or not this is justified.
But it should still wait till after the investigation.
[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;22406050]That is fucking low.
I don't mean to join on the bandwagon but what the fuck.
You do not give the medal of valor for fighting protestors.[/QUOTE]
there is no bandwagon, people either become for, against, or neutral.
:10bux: BurnEmDown is excited about this
If there's more than one person with the same opinion, Facepunch considers it a bandwagon. Happens with every single thing.
[QUOTE=JDK721;22406188]:10bux: BurnEmDown is excited about this[/QUOTE]
:20bux:.
This whole everything-Israel-does-makes-it-the-devil thing is one of the worst bandwagons I've seen
Never seen so many opinionated people acting passionate over things they obviously don't know much about
If the Israeli commandos really were under lethal threat (and yes, being shot at with stolen guns counts as lethal threat) and one of them demonstrated a willingness to go out of their way to defend their comrades, even if that means responding with equal force, then I think he deserves that medal, regardless of any political furor it may cause.
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Also, 500th post since December 2005, woo.
[QUOTE=Jebus;22406274]This whole everything-Israel-does-makes-it-the-devil thing is one of the worst bandwagons I've seen
Never seen so many opinionated people acting passionate over things they obviously don't know much about[/QUOTE]
So Israel commits no wrong? Why are we ignorant? Do you know more than we do? Wait, are you entitled to information you know we don't have in order to say that?
Fucking awful.
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[QUOTE=JDK721;22406188]:10bux: BurnEmDown is excited about this[/QUOTE]
He's an idiot anyway and his opinion does not matter.
Odd how generally if some angry idiot gang members do something stupid and end up dead FP is all like "lulz natural selection", but if it's angry idiots attacking Israeli soldiers then it's a terrible war crime :p Realistically it seems to me if they weren't being stupid and attacking armed soldiers no one would have died.
:bandwagon: Now here come the boxes!
hey guys lets bandwagon that everyone is bandwagoning
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;22406327]So Israel commits no wrong? Why are we ignorant? Do you know more than we do? Wait, are you entitled to information you know we don't have in order to say that?[/QUOTE]
Case in point.
[QUOTE=BAZ;22406406]hey guys lets bandwagon that everyone is bandwagoning[/QUOTE]
Hell of a bandwagon you got there.
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[QUOTE=Jebus;22406410]Case in point.[/QUOTE]
Its case and point actually, and you really haven't made yours. I don't think Israel is the devil, but I do think that, for now, they're a repressive and overly destructive first world nation. They're overly aggressive, and this is demonstrated on a regular basis. What info are you getting about this that I'm not?
[QUOTE=BAZ;22406406]hey guys lets bandwagon that everyone is bandwagoning[/QUOTE]
yo dawg i heard you like bandwagoning so we put a bandwagon on yo bandwagon so you can bandwagon while you bandwagon about bandwagoning
as sick as it is, he did go beyond the call of duty to save his men. being there wrongfully or not, he saved his men from a lethal threat.
terrorist sympathizers, terrorist supporters, terrorists, anti-semitic, and now finally bandwagoners.
I think people are running out of accusations.
uh has nobody read that the "civilians" were armed with "downed navy seal weapons"
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1PBptSDIh8[/media]
This is Israel. Seriously. Everything they've done all week has been just to piss us off.
[QUOTE=Kondor;22406626]uh has nobody read that the "civilians" were armed with "downed navy seal weapons"[/QUOTE]
Israels got a name for them but they are pratically the equivalent of the US navy seals. No-one can remember the Hebrew name and it's easier to understand what they were doing if you call them Navy Seals.
They beat down a few and took their weapons apparently, must of grabbed their lethal sidearm. Reports say only one grabbed a weapon and only one was shot while wearing armour so it's not an incredibly serious part.
He deserve the medal to.
Israel shouldnt exist and doesnt deserve to exist.
[QUOTE=1/4 Life;22406748]This is Israel. Seriously. Everything they've done all week has been just to piss us off.[/QUOTE]
They took the Irish boat with no conflict, they sent most of the aid to Gaza, they took the civlians who attacked them in to be charged with assault, I'd say their doing a pretty good job of being nice so far.
[QUOTE=Amplar;22406507]as sick as it is, he did go beyond the call of duty to save his men. being there wrongfully or not, he saved his men from a lethal threat.[/QUOTE]
Despite how you feel about the situation, this is fairly correct here. The soldier was on mission, as were his squadmates.
When it boils down to it, in the heat of combat or an instance like that on the Flotilla, political jargon and all that other noise loses its meaning and you have to fight for your life. He was fighting to defend himself and his men, not Israel.
- Israel has a right to exist.
- Arab nationalism in favor of annihilating Israel is despicable.
- Israel needs to care for civilians
- Arab nations need to stop attacking Israel
[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;22406855]- Israel has a right to exist.
- Arab nationalism in favor of annihilating Israel is despicable.
- Israel needs to care for civilians
- Arab nations need to stop attacking Israel[/QUOTE]
No fuck Israel shit had no right to be made in the first place.
[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;22406855]- Israel has a right to exist.
- Arab nationalism in favor of annihilating Israel is despicable.
- Israel needs to care for civilians
- Arab nations need to stop attacking Israel[/QUOTE]
-Palestine has a right to exist too.
-Ultranationalism, unilateralism and blind support of Israel's use of excessive force is despicable as well.
-Palestine should not aim at civilian targets.
-NATO countries should stop intervening in peacekeeping cooperation.
Works both ways.
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