ISRAEL THREAD (Post new Israel threads = get banned)
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[QUOTE=DrMonumbo;22407690]Don't pretend it's for killing aid workers. It's for saving his comrades.[/QUOTE]
But there were only two ways about it. He would either save his comrades or not save them. If anyone else was in such a horrible position as the Israel media clearly tells us, then they would have opened fire as well. Taking out a whole bunker of properly armed men single handily takes a lot of skill and courage, while just about anyone can pull a trigger.
[QUOTE=Jund;22407321]I mean, he saved his comrades lives and that earns him a nice medal, but who the fuck fast-ropes down into an angry mob? For such an "advanced military", you would think they would have taken proper precautions so something like this would not have happened.[/QUOTE]
How else do you expect them to get on, teleportation? Besides, they were told there wouldn't be any resistance, hence why they only took lethal sidearms.
Valour is yiddish for murder
[quote]Looking to his side, he saw three of his commanders lying wounded – one with a gunshot wound to the stomach and another with a gunshot wound to the knee. A third was lying unconscious; his skull was fractured by a devastating blow with a metal bar.[/quote]
Who the hell needs THREE commanders? Is this the Very Special Forces?
[QUOTE=Isotope;22406378]Odd how generally if some angry idiot gang members do something stupid and end up dead FP is all like "lulz natural selection", but if it's angry idiots attacking Israeli soldiers then it's a terrible war crime :p Realistically it seems to me if they weren't being stupid and attacking armed soldiers no one would have died.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much this. The whole point of civil disobedience is that you expose the law as unjust by becoming a victim of it. If the protesters were actually using deadly weapons against the soldiers, they lose a huge chunk of the moral high ground.
[QUOTE=LordLoss;22407842]Besides, they were told there wouldn't be any resistance, hence why they only took lethal sidearms.[/QUOTE]
What? They were told that would be no resistance, so they only took weapons that can kill? I don't follow.
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[QUOTE=Jund;22407895]What? They were told that would be no resistance, so they only took weapons that can kill? I don't follow.[/QUOTE]
They took less than lethal primary weapons, paintball guns that fire pepper balls similar to pepper spray, in case they met any passive resistance. Because they're soldiers I expect they have to take their lethal pistols everywhere, as sidearms. If they were expecting the amount of resistance they got, they probably would have taken assault rifles.
[QUOTE=Jund;22407805]But there were only two ways about it. He would either save his comrades or not save them. If anyone else was in such a horrible position as the Israel media clearly tells us, then they would have opened fire as well. Taking out a whole bunker of properly armed men single handily takes a lot of skill and courage, while just about anyone can pull a trigger.[/QUOTE]
You should consider forming an argument that makes sense next time. Try again.
I say the chap deserves it.
Flotillas own fault for being such a fucknut and breaching the blocade. It got lucky, by law, IDF had the right to sink that ship.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;22406327]So Israel commits no wrong? Why are we ignorant? Do you know more than we do? Wait, are you entitled to information you know we don't have in order to say that?[/QUOTE]
wrong is wrong is wrong and either way you shouldn't fucking kill people
[QUOTE=innerfire34;22408084]wrong is wrong is wrong and either way you shouldn't fucking kill people[/QUOTE]
Even if they are dead set on killing you? I don't know what train of thought your on, but if a mob of people is trying to beat me to death with pipes and chains and I happen to have a gun, I think I'm going to use it to protect myself and my comrades.
See what people need to realize is that soldiers may not always agree with their government or their goals, hell most of the soldiers I know fought to protect their friends beside them, not for some political goal, so sure, say "fuck isreal" if you want, bottom line is this guy risked his life to save the lives of his comrades, and in my book that deserves recognition.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;22406415]Hell of a bandwagon you got there.
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Its case and point actually, and you really haven't made yours. I don't think Israel is the devil, but I do think that, for now, they're a repressive and overly destructive first world nation. They're overly aggressive, and this is demonstrated on a regular basis. What info are you getting about this that I'm not?[/QUOTE]
No, it's case in point.
Take your example of trying to correct someone - and being wrong yourself - and apply it to the other arguments you're trying to make.
[QUOTE=Zatharon;22408265]Even if they are dead set on killing you? I don't know what train of thought your on, but if a mob of people is trying to beat me to death with pipes and chains and I happen to have a gun, I think I'm going to use it to protect myself and my comrades.
See what people need to realize is that soldiers may not always agree with their government or their goals, hell most of the soldiers I know fought to protect their friends beside them, not for some political goal, so sure, say "fuck isreal" if you want, bottom line is this guy risked his life to save the lives of his comrades, and in my book that deserves recognition.[/QUOTE]
so it's ok to kill if other people want to kill?
It's sad that, in this day and age, there are people honored when they take life.
[QUOTE=Chippay;22406994]death to israel
you hear me[/QUOTE]
no i in fact read you
[QUOTE=DrMonumbo;22407143]Could we stop pretending there was even a chance there were weapons aboard? All of the ships were checked before departure by multiple organizations, the only reason Israel feels the need to check the ships in Ashdod is to confiscate what they've deemed contraband. AKA everything useful to the survival and reconstruction of Palestine.
It's a sad day when terrorists are the lesser of two evils.[/QUOTE]
I honestly think Israel doesn't want Palestine rebuilt.
[QUOTE=innerfire34;22408433]so it's ok to kill if other people want to kill?[/QUOTE]
It's okay to kill if you have to do it to prevent someone from killing someone else yeah, oh no! you say, the person you kill has family! friends! a life! don't they deserve to live!? you monster! newsflash, so does the person they are trying to kill, when someone makes the decision to kill someone else in anything else than defense, they deserve to get killed. Also way to try and make a completely general statement about what I said to make me sound like an asshole.
[QUOTE=IStanI;22408438]It's sad that, in this day and age, there are people honored when they take life.[/QUOTE]
He's not being honoured for killing the aid workers, He's being honoured for protecting his wounded comrades
This guy is worthy of a Medal of Valor in a military sense.
[QUOTE=hehe;22408650]He's not being honoured for killing the aid workers, He's being honoured for protecting his wounded comrades
This guy is worthy of a Medal of Valor in a military sense.[/QUOTE]
Were the actions of the said protected comrades worthy of notable achievements, this would have been plausible.
They won't want it rebuilt under Hamas.
[QUOTE=DrMonumbo;22408027]You should consider forming an argument that makes sense next time. Try again.[/QUOTE]
Since you have poor reading comprehension skills, let me rephrase what I said.
Anyone could have done what he did. I could have done what he did. If anyone could have done it, why is he being awarded?
[QUOTE=Jund;22408701]Since you have poor reading comprehension skills, let me rephrase what I said.
Anyone could have done what he did. I could have done what he did. If anyone could have done it, why is he being awarded?[/QUOTE]
Because you haven't done it :downs:
[QUOTE=IStanI;22408665]Were the actions of the said protected comrades worthy of notable achievements, this would have been plausible.[/QUOTE]
The actions of the soldiers being protected has nothing to do with receiving the medal.
[QUOTE=Taishu;22399376]How do you know?[/QUOTE]
Educated assumptions based upon the information that has been given
[QUOTE=Taishu;22399376]They donned the vests and the rods and the masks after they had been fired upon, according to themselves.[/QUOTE]
Why one earth would a "Peaceful protestet" need weapons and body Armour?
[QUOTE=Taishu;22399376]What? There weren't any mercenaries on board? Where are you getting this from?[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.jpost.com/Israel/Article.aspx?id=177452[/url]
[QUOTE=Taishu;22399376]Israel pulls this kind of shit, and you wonder why people react this way? Are you thick or something?
Mind you, this isn't the first time Israel's been behaving like a bunch of pricks. Far from it, in fact. Need I remind you that they used WP against a UN school used to house civilians on purpose during the last major conflict?[/QUOTE]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c[/media]
I didn't know Israel had SEALs.
[QUOTE=bravehat;22404085]You really are retarded aren't you.
Defending Aid workers who were shot in the head 4 times =/= terrorist sympathisers you jackass.[/QUOTE]
Calling the people who attacked the commandos aid workers is as reasonable as calling the Hamas a peaceful organization.
Guys, he has either been trolling you for many,many,many threads, or he has had his opinions bleached and refitted by israel.
[QUOTE=Perfumly;22401170]Are you really defending this
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really[/QUOTE]
How is that defending this?
I just said that if someone was killing me I'd try to kill him back and make sure he was dead. Notice I also said that the commandos would probably know how to kill someone in one single shot and not 5. Now tell me how is this defending it?
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[QUOTE=hypno-toad;22405444]What does it matter what country he's from. People are all the same.
What I'd be pissed about is that he was shot 4 times in the head. That is [I]not[/I] a wound somebody would receive from a defensive action. If I was afraid somebody would attack me with a metal pole, I'd shoot them in the chest or leg, I wouldn't shoot them in the head four times.
Don't forget that these commandos are brainwashed lunatics, they actually think these people are terrorists. This was clearly an aggressive, offensive action, not defensive.[/QUOTE]
Except that he was probably beaten several times, we can't know for sure because he might have been one of the commandos who arrived a little later, but for example there was a commando who was stabbed by a knife in the arm, a commando who dropped on the ground and was still beaten by about 5 people, a commando who was dropped from one deck of the ship to another (though I bet he wouldn't even have the power to fight back after that).
We don't know when did it happen exactly so we can't even guess which of the commandos did this, but don't be so quick to assume that the one who did wasn't attacked first several times.
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