• ISRAEL THREAD (Post new Israel threads = get banned)
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[QUOTE=ExplodingGuy;22425561]No, they weren't, there are no international waters in the Mediterranean. [IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/f/f1/Internationalwaters.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] holy fuck, not this argument again look we've already argued this exact point before, i'm not going to prove to you step by step why you're full of shit [I]again.[/I] go read the other fucking threads and get versed on the fucking situation.
[QUOTE=Jund;22418864]Let me say it again. It's not hard to aim a pistol and pull the trigger. You do not require elite military training to do it. It was a matter of situation, not bravery or skill. Last month I saved my friend from getting hit by a car. Did I get a medal? According to your logic, everyone who has ever killed an enemy in war deserves a medal of honor, since that enemy was a threat to their comrades' lives.[/QUOTE] Reading comprehension failure at the highest level, and continued boasting about your own abilities? Continue being an air-headed 14 year old please.
it's their fucking nation let them deal with it.
Ofc it's legal gaza is filled with blood thirsty terrorists. If someone from gaza moved here to shot rockets at new year he would ask, which way is israel.
But guys that picture from Wikipedia. It has authority over the UN.
[QUOTE=Enishi;22415873]"enough discussion about a developed nation potentially violating human rights, i only want to make austin power news puns and see the same news that doesn't affect my everyday life" [editline]10:56AM[/editline] sure thing, champ[/QUOTE] In the UN, that would be a good argument to keep discussing. In facepunch? It's getting kind of annoying seeing nothing "Israel this, Israel that" in the news section anymore. Every thread anymore just comes down to the Israel bashers having arguments with the Hamas bashers.
I can relate to people who dislike how the Israeli goverment run things, but I think its necessary when you are dealing with HAMAS. They are a terrorist organization that hide themselves among civilians. About the flotilla, I think Israel had the absolute right to check the vessel. Even if it was an aid ship, I wouldn't personally let it pass on. Hamas is dangerous and ships could very easily transport firearms and explosives to Hamas. When the commandos boarded on, the shipcrew started attacking them with poles and other tools, took the commandos guns and shot at them. It was THEN they fired back, unfortunately killing 6. However I think it was justified. I think its political correctness on Facepunch that is making people rage as Israel. "WHAT?! They killed -6- people on an AID ship! STUPID JEWS, LEAVE HAMAS AND PALESTINE ALONE".
Boarding a vessel on international waters is illegal according to the UN and NATO. Do we really need to discuss the legality of boarding further?
I've completely moved on from these conversations. It's got the the point where it is no longer an intelligent argument, in which people (looking at you starpluck) start to slander and mock the other side, rather than present points, and argue your opinion. The amount of intolerance on both sides is unacceptable. Can we really clutter the news section with "Israel is dumb turkey gonna keeel dem" and "Activists are actually conspiracy robot terrorists"? We don't necessarily have to stop making threads about it, but rather make this an intelligent argument, with no childish avatars, or random bashing that doesn't contribute to anything (eg. Jews suck, pro-Gaza people are dumbasses). Also, keep in mind that there is no way to win this. Sure, there may be more pro-Gaza people than pro-Israeli, but the pro-Israeli side will never be changed, or vice a versa.
I understand why the blockade was put in place, and that's to destabilize Hamas which I fully support. However when the blockade manages to halt economic growth and even threaten the people of Gaza that's what seems illegal to me. I still don't get why Hamas manged to get power of Gaza, I personally preferred Fatah.
[QUOTE=kevn150;22426385]I've completely moved on from these conversations. It's got the the point where it is no longer an intelligent argument, in which people (looking at you starpluck) start to slander and mock the other side, rather than present points, and argue your opinion. The amount of intolerance on both sides is unacceptable. Can we really clutter the news section with "Israel is dumb turkey gonna keeel dem" and "Activists are actually conspiracy robot terrorists"? We don't necessarily have to stop making threads about it, but rather make this an intelligent argument, with no childish avatars, or random bashing that doesn't contribute to anything (eg. Jews suck, pro-Gaza people are dumbasses). Also, keep in mind that there is no way to win this. Sure, there may be more pro-Gaza people than pro-Israeli, but the pro-Israeli side will never be changed, or vice a versa.[/QUOTE] Well said, well said. :golfclap: Should be posted in every thread with this subject so far.
[img]http://c2.api.ning.com/files/V3d3OCp3A2MLbERwMVCTpLUirpi6pecwnuV-MdnaqlL15nGjQhQIY5V1GugVbU0QnwZ4WFLwclbRmJXHlqTwn4AOcIhl5XEK/EmperorPalpatine.jpg[/img] I will make it legal.
Well, the blockade has been officially recognized by no more than 3 states, that is including Israel themselves, the while the rest of the world has not and/or is outright condemning it. The ball is ultimately at the UN side, so it's high time they grow a pair and take action.
You have to admit, on one level most of Israel's choices are justified in light of trying to defend their citizens. They have to try to do [I]something[/I] to reduce the rocket attacks and suicide bombs on their soil. On the other hand, their methods for executing their choices (overzealous use of force), and the way they keep provoking the Arab community (i.e. continuing settlement construction on disputed territory before resolving the dispute) will simply continue to make the actions of groups like Hamas and Hezbollah seem justified to many people. It just seems like none of these people have ever heard of a "measured response".
Imo the blockade is legit. If there's more than one country supporting it then that's good enough for me.
[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/10250354.stm[/url] [quote]Israel will reject a proposed international commission to investigate its deadly raid on a Gaza aid flotilla, its ambassador to the US has said. Michael Oren told US broadcaster Fox News that Israel has the ability and the right to investigate its own military. UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon had earlier telephoned Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu with the proposal. Nine people died when Israeli commandos stormed the Turkish ship last week. "We are rejecting an international commission. We are discussing with the Obama administration a way in which our inquiry will take place," Mr Oren told Fox News Sunday. He said Israel would not apologise for the incident. Eight of those killed were Turkish, and the ninth had joint US-Turkish nationality.[/quote] i cant wait!
You know a while ago I joked about moving to sea land because the world is getting more and more unstable day by day. It's turning into less of a joke quicker than I expected. Heres hoping Israel doesn't start something else.
not apologising? stay classy, Israel
[QUOTE]We are discussing with the Obama administration a way in which our inquiry will take place[/QUOTE] No, Obama! Don't do it! Keep the US out of this clusterfuck!
[QUOTE=sami-pso;22426678]Imo the blockade is legit. If there's more than one country supporting it then that's good enough for me.[/QUOTE] Germany and Italy supported Japan's pacific expansion in WWII. Good enough for ya too?
[QUOTE=Triumph Forks;22426963]not apologizing? stay classy, Israel[/QUOTE] Of course they aren't apologizing. You only apologize when you think you're wrong.
[QUOTE=Pegleg;22427220]Of course they aren't apologizing. You only apologize when you think you're wrong.[/QUOTE] in this case it's more of a: you only apologize when you're ready to admit you're wrong.
[QUOTE=Pegleg;22427220]Of course they aren't apologizing. You only apologize when you think you're wrong.[/QUOTE] Not really. You apologise when you piss people off and care to at least try and reconcile, instead of being a stubborn douche canoe who's always right
[QUOTE]"We are rejecting an international commission. We are discussing with the Obama administration a way in which our inquiry will take place," [/QUOTE] Hahahahahaha, oh wow. This is gonna be fucking ace.
I'm guessing they reject it because they don't want other nations to start picking sides
Any other nation would reject an international inquiry into a military operation, so why can't Israel?
[QUOTE=DogGunn;22427452]Any other nation would reject an international inquiry into a military operation, so why can't Israel?[/QUOTE] In my opinion only someone who has something to hide would reject a international investigation. :)
[QUOTE=Re-y-tard;22427484]In my opinion only someone who has something to hide would reject a international investigation. :)[/QUOTE] And I suppose you wouldn't mind government wire taps on your house either, right?
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;22427526]And I suppose you wouldn't mind government wire taps on your house either, right?[/QUOTE] I don't mind. I got nothing to hide.
Fuck Israel
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