ISRAEL THREAD (Post new Israel threads = get banned)
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[QUOTE=Carbon Knight;22404426]I don't want to hop on the band wagon but I don't really think that twitching on the ground justifies the other 3 bullets.[/QUOTE]
Twitching? It's gonna be a fucking lot more than twitching. The body will be twitching for up to 20 minutes after it's done moving around like a beheaded chicken for up to eight seconds.
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[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22418553]Alright. I'll give them that.
They shoot him in the chest, he doesn't go down.
They shoot him in the head again, and he doesn't go down because he's a zombie and doesn't feel pain.
So then they shoot him [I]again[/I] and he falls down.
Now he's on the ground, and what? They shoot him again two times in the head at point blank in the back of the skull. Try again please.[/QUOTE]
Real life isn't a video game.
There is no set amount of times you can shoot someone before they drop to the ground incapable of causing further harm, there have been cases of people shot up to a dozen times and [i]still[/i] fighting back. Does it happen all the time? Of course not, but it's abit more common than most people think.
Oh and [i]pain?[/i] Of course it's not the chunk of lead violently punching a hole through their flesh and crushing the surrounding tissues by hydrostatic pressure alone, oh no... It's a psychological sensation that stops them!
[QUOTE=Re-y-tard;22427532]I don't mind. I got nothing to hide.[/QUOTE]
It's an invasion of privacy you dolt.
Hey remember how that video was posted about how arabs were yelling "death to the jews"?
Well...
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbOw6ZFl6FE[/url]
Both sides can suck it.
[QUOTE]It's an invasion of privacy you dolt.[/QUOTE]
If my privacy is so interesting to the government then fine. :)
Re-y-tard, and that video represents the whole of Israel now?
I think you should stop making these sweeping assumptions.
By the way, you never properly answered my question.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;22427452]Any other nation would reject an international inquiry into a military operation, so why can't Israel?[/QUOTE]
It becomes a bit more than just a military operation when civilians were attacked and killed on questionable grounds
[QUOTE=Triumph Forks;22427615]It becomes a bit more than just a military operation when civilians were attacked and killed on questionable grounds[/QUOTE]
By a military operation.
[QUOTE=sami-pso;22426678]Imo the blockade is legit. If there's more than one country supporting it then that's good enough for me.[/QUOTE]
Well that's a low standard if I've ever seen one.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;22427612]Re-y-tard, and that video represents the whole of Israel now?
I think you should stop making these sweeping assumptions.
By the way, you never properly answered my question.[/QUOTE]
People quickly assumed that the video of the arabs yelling death to the jews represented the whole Gaza.
I ain't making any assumptions.
And what question? I said that I got nothing to hide. If the government is interested in my my phonecalls and worthless e-mails then fine by me. They better have some reason for checking it though.
Who assumed that people yelling in the video you mentioned represented the whole of Gaza? Another sweeping assumption. Good from you.
Every nation hides it's military operations. Of course Israel has something to hide.
[QUOTE=Re-y-tard;22427653]People quickly assumed that the video of the arabs yelling death to the jews represented the whole Gaza.
I ain't making any assumptions.
And what question? I said that I got nothing to hide. If the government is interested in my my phonecalls and worthless e-mails then fine by me. They better have some reason for checking it though.[/QUOTE]
Never actually met a pro-police state moron before.
:hitler:
[QUOTE=DogGunn;22427697]Who assumed that people yelling in the video you mentioned represented the whole of Gaza? Another sweeping assumption. Good from you.
Every nation hides it's military operations. Of course Israel has something to hide.[/QUOTE]
That video was posted in the other threads on several occasions, I took it as it was used to defend the acts of Israel and the whole blockade thing.
[QUOTE]Never actually met a pro-police state moron before.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the personal attack.
[QUOTE=Re-y-tard;22427723]That video was posted in the other threads on several occasions, [B]I took it as[/B] it was used to defend the acts of Israel and the whole blockade thing.[/QUOTE]
Assumptions, assumptions :v:
[QUOTE=Re-y-tard;22427723]Thanks for the personal attack.[/QUOTE]
You're welcome.
[QUOTE=Re-y-tard;22427723]That video was posted in the other threads on several occasions, I took it as it was used to defend the acts of Israel and the whole blockade thing.[/QUOTE]
You used a video of Zionists celebrating to explain the operations illegitimacy - and to show the views of Israelis.
Don't assume that all of Israel is like that.
[QUOTE=DogGunn;22427763]You used a video of Zionists celebrating to explain the operations illegitimacy - and to show the views of Israelis.
Don't assume that all of Israel is like that.[/QUOTE]
I never did. I've posted countless times that I got nothing against the people of Israel. I do got something against their government. And no. I'm not pro-Hamas. >_> I even wrote "both sides can suck it" in the post where I linked to the video.
[QUOTE=starpluck;22416317]Just changed it, for you :)[/QUOTE]
Oh nice, you replaced an offensive emotional appeal with logical reasoning, I can dig it.
[QUOTE=Re-y-tard;22427484]In my opinion only someone who has something to hide would reject a international investigation. :)[/QUOTE]
Only people who have something to hide reject police searching their bedroom. Only people who have something to hide lock their doors at night.
Its that mentality that gets you security cameras on your toilet, DNA in your passport, nude scans at airports, surveillance of your Internet activity and cellphone tracking.
Not necessarily linked to this Israel statement, but I hate to hear that sentence to justify invasion of privacy.
[QUOTE=Johnnsen;22427986]Only people who have something to hide reject police searching their bedroom. [B]Only people who have something to hide lock their doors at night.[/B]
Its that mentality that gets you security cameras on your toilet, DNA in your passport, nude scans at airports, surveillance of your Internet activity and cellphone tracking.
Not necessarily linked to this Israel statement, but I hate to hear that sentence to justify invasion of privacy.[/QUOTE]
Yeah or I just want to feel safe.
I don't know what else I can say, I understand a lot of people want to have their privacy. I respect that.
I'm fine with all those things you mentioned, if they (government) got a good reason to do any of them. This is just [B]my [/B]opinion.
[QUOTE=Re-y-tard;22428197]Yeah or I just want to feel safe.
I don't know what else I can say, I understand a lot of people want to have their privacy. I respect that. I'm fine with all those things you mentioned, if they got a good reason to do any of them. This is just [B]my [/B]opinion.[/QUOTE]
The problem is just, they don't have a good reason and you give up your freedom for security. A few important people have already had their share of thought about this matter (For example Benjamin Franklin "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.")
People need to stop getting brainwashed by panic media and getting driven to agree to insane ideas punishing millions of people in a country just to possibly get rid of a few black sheep easier (possibly).
[QUOTE=Johnnsen;22427986]Only people who have something to hide reject police searching their bedroom. Only people who have something to hide lock their doors at night.
Its that mentality that gets you security cameras on your toilet, DNA in your passport, nude scans at airports, surveillance of your Internet activity and cellphone tracking.
Not necessarily linked to this Israel statement, but I hate to hear that sentence to justify invasion of privacy.[/QUOTE]
I would reject a cop searching my room without a warrant too. It's my room and unless the court feels that he has a sufficient reason, he has no right to search. same with my car and my person. If cops were allowed to search everybody for no reason at all, then everybody would live in fear of being searched regardless of if they did anything because it would eventually lead to things being planted so it wouldn't matter if they were innocent.
I'm getting tired of my family supporting them. My grandpa bawws that Obama is a jew hater and that everybody's against Israel because they want them nuked off the map. If Israel just stopped the shit then they wouldn't have to worry because they have allies that defend them when they get attacked. sure they get threatened, but in another scenario, if the countries were kids, israel would be the kid that gets threatened to be beaten up. If he attacks preemptively then he screws himself because he assaulted the other person because of the threats, but if they just ignored the threats nothing would have happened because if somebody did try to beat him up, he has powerful friends that are watching him.
The U.S. should start sitting back and leaving these problems to the nations who actually cause them.
[QUOTE=lulzbocks;22428372]The U.S. should start sitting back and leaving these problems to the nations who actually cause them.[/QUOTE]
x1000 Agree
We're their ally, that's kinda what being an ally is all about.
[QUOTE=CjienX;22428416]We're their ally, that's kinda what being an ally is all about.[/QUOTE]
We shouldn't be.
We'll end up getting sucked into a conflict that isn't ours.
[QUOTE=starpluck;22416317][URL]http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=YVx&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&defl=en&q=define:massacre&sa=X&ei=D7sLTKrSNY_u0wSasMBb&ved=0CBoQkAE[/URL]
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Massacre[/B]
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[*]kill a large number of people indiscriminately
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Human Rights Watch [URL="http://www.hrw.org/en/reports/2009/03/25/rain-fire-0"]has already concluded with substantial evidence[/URL] that the Gaza Massacre was indiscriminate, hence why I call it a massacre.
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Just changed it, for you :)[/QUOTE]
Except the HRW don't know shit and are an extremely biased source, they couldn't provide documents that Israel has fired indiscriminately which should be very easy to find, for example when two Israeli officers have used WP indiscriminately the documents showing that were quickly found and the officers were brought to justice.
[QUOTE=Ker‎o;22418036]Yes, I agree that they could have shot him in the leg or something, but when being attacked by 20 or more people you don't really have the time to deceide where to shoot or so.[/QUOTE]
But you have time to stop and shoot the same guy 3 more times in the head?
Stop posting forever destroy your computer live in the forest
In my opinion if Iran sends armed escorts and turns into a conflict it would actually be for the better of Israel since then the international media would actually represent non-biased opinions that may even be biased towards Israel a little.
I wonder if Iran realizes that they might be helping Israeli here, of course it will only be help if Israel won't lose the war, both militarily and the media war.
[QUOTE=Johnnsen;22428270]The problem is just, they don't have a good reason and you give up your freedom for security. A few important people have already had their share of thought about this matter (For example Benjamin Franklin "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.")
People need to stop getting brainwashed by panic media and getting driven to agree to insane ideas punishing millions of people in a country just to possibly get rid of a few black sheep easier (possibly).[/QUOTE]
I guess that's true. I'm not afraid to admit that my opinions might be flawed sometimes. Especially if I try to discuss something at 3 am. In my perfect world, the part of the government that did the surveillance had to apply for uh... license or something. Yeah. 3 AM. When I say that I'm fine with government monitoring my calls... I was thinking of it more like you know, a quick check and then they let you know that they were eavesdropping and why. Not a continuous monitoring. And they should have reasonable grounds to do so.
But if democracy works there won't be any police-states anytime soon, since majority do want their private life. So you can all rest easy. I think.
I won't go into this anymore, this seems way off-topic. Good night guys.
[QUOTE=Perfumly;22416916]Lol would you really need to shoot someone in the head four times to make sure he's dead? If there's a shot in the upper head area he's gone, the only time I could ever imaging shooting someone twice like that is if you hit them in a questionable place on the face as far as lethality goes and want to make sure with a quick shot to the forehead area.
Not to mention, when defending you don't want to make sure someone is [b]dead[/b], you want to make sure someone is [b]stopped[/b], if they have a gunshot wound and only access to a melee weapon/don't appear to be moving, lethal action is hardly justifiable.[/QUOTE]
If someone tried to kill me, and note that this is talking about me personally, unrelated to the situation and thus I understand you retract the original statement of "you are defending someone shooting another 4 times in the head", then yes I would shoot him several times just to make sure he's dead, unless I knew I was being filmed or whatever and could be proved to have shot him unnecessary amount of times. I could just say there was a firefight and I shot him several times before he dropped, or whatever.
So basically I would shoot someone who was trying to kill me several times even if it was unnecessary, unless I knew it would get me in trouble.
[QUOTE=|FlapJack|;22423328]Israel need to grow a pair and stop shooting everyone.[/QUOTE]
They have. As long as they don't get attacked first, no-one shoots anyone.
You know that Iran is going to be a dick about it and practically cause a conflict, plus there's obviously not going to be any weapon smuggling with Iranian warships in the area.
[QUOTE=sami-pso;22426678]Imo the blockade is legit. If there's more than one country supporting it then that's good enough for me.[/QUOTE]
So the holocaust was legit by your standards
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