ISRAEL THREAD (Post new Israel threads = get banned)
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[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22438671]Nonsense. She is perfectly able to comment on how they were treated and if they were fired upon, she's simply unable to comment on what happened on the top deck, in the same way that the Al Jazeera reporter is unable to comment on what happened below deck.[/QUOTE]
Did she say they were fired upon below the deck?
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22438686]Did she say they were fired upon below the deck?[/QUOTE]
Yes. They say they were fired upon both from the surrounding boats and the helicopters.
In an unrelated matter, I was playing Medieval 2: Total War tonight and I was ordered by the council of nobles to blockade Gaza, but Turkish ships destroyed my blockading fleet...
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22438704]Yes. They say they were fired upon both from the surrounding boats and the helicopters.[/QUOTE]
Doesn't mean it was below the deck. Below the deck would mean soldiers going down there and shooting.
[QUOTE=johnlukeg;22438708]In an unrelated matter, I was playing Medieval 2: Total War tonight and I was ordered by the council of nobles to blockade Gaza, but Turkish ships destroyed my blockading fleet...[/QUOTE]
I love that game. I always play as Britannia.
No surprise it's able to peer into your mind.
[QUOTE=johnlukeg;22438708]In an unrelated matter, I was playing Medieval 2: Total War tonight and I was ordered by the council of nobles to blockade Gaza, but Turkish ships destroyed my blockading fleet...[/QUOTE]
Let me guess, the pope is condemning you now and every country is against you?
It'll happen soon, you know it!
[QUOTE=johnlukeg;22438708]In an unrelated matter, I was playing Medieval 2: Total War tonight and I was ordered by the council of nobles to blockade Gaza, but Turkish ships destroyed my blockading fleet...[/QUOTE]
Medieval 2 is the prophet :ninja:
v:v:v
Yeah, and I thought the game was totally unrealistic in that manner, guess I was wrong.
Edit:
Thinking about it, the resemblance is uncanny.
For example when you're attacked, the pope always tells you to not attack the other guy, and if you do you are excommunicated, even when he's harassing you to no end.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22438733]Doesn't mean it was below the deck. Below the deck would mean soldiers going down there and shooting.[/QUOTE]
What?
What does that have to do with corroborating testimony? I thought we were comparing the womans story to that of the Al Jazeera reporter?
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[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22438742]Let me guess, the pope is condemning you now and every country is against you?
It'll happen soon, you know it![/QUOTE]
I was playing as Britannia and was condemned by the pope.
So I killed everyone. Nobody crosses the angry British generals.
France was the first to fall, jackasses raiding my village and then asking for an end to war when I take their capital. Had it coming I say.
No, the pope and I have been good friends ever since I assassinated the last one.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22438769]What?
What does that have to do with corroborating testimony? I thought we were comparing the womans story to that of the Al Jazeera reporter?[/QUOTE]
Wait, I think I misunderstood what she said.
Let me get this straight: She was inside the ship, and didn't know what happened on the deck, and she said that even the people who were inside the ship were being fired upon?
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22438769]I was playing as Britannia and was condemned by the pope.
So I killed everyone. Nobody crosses the angry British generals.
France was the first to fall, jackasses raiding my village and then asking for an end to war when I take their capital. Had it coming I say.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, You have to get the pope to like you as much as possible, and only then you have a chance to fight with other Christian countries without the pope excommunicating you.
The pope doesn't care who started it, he just sees which side he likes more and helps him.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22438819]Wait, I think I misunderstood what she said.
Let me get this straight: She was inside the ship, and didn't know what happened on the deck, and she said that even the people who were inside the ship were being fired upon?
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Gunshots are audible through metal hulls. Also windows.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22438819]Wait, I think I misunderstood what she said.
Let me get this straight: She was inside the ship, and didn't know what happened on the deck, and she said that even the people who were inside the ship were being fired upon?
Yeah, You have to get the pope to like you as much as possible, and only then you have a chance to fight with other Christian countries without the pope excommunicating you.
The pope doesn't care who started it, he just sees which side he likes more and helps him.[/QUOTE]
The ship itself was being fired on. As in, they were firing on the ship.
What strikes me as interesting is that many of the claims being made, especially those of the Al Jazeera reporter, could be very easily disproven by the security footage that we know they have. So why isn't it being released? Why were the communications blocked? Aren't these reasons to be, at the very least, not on the side of the IDF?
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22438846]The ship itself was being fired on. As in, they were firing on the ship.
What strikes me as interesting is that many of the claims being made, especially those of the Al Jazeera reporter, could be very easily disproven by the security footage that we know they have. So why isn't it being released? Why were the communications blocked? Aren't these reasons to be, at the very least, not on the side of the IDF?[/QUOTE]
I don't see how these footages could disprove it. First of all whatever the IDF might release everyone could say "well there's still some of it they didn't release" even though they might have released it all.
Second, the security footage couldn't have shown all the IDF soldiers all the time, it's enough that for a few seconds the security cameras weren't at the right angle, and people could say that during those few seconds, the IDF shot at the boat.
I would like to see the unreleased footage as much as you do, however.
[QUOTE=Hoffa1337;22438843]Gunshots are audible through metal hulls. Also windows.[/QUOTE]
So she can hear, but she can't say the IDF has fired on her or on the boat specifically. These could have been the warning shots we've all heard, or the shots fired during the struggle with the activists.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22438568]W
I'm not saying the Arab citizens of Israel are like our enemies, but they just don't need to fight alongside us. Think about it this way, isn't it a little cruel to make an Arab fight against other Arabs?
Again, I'm not racist towards Arabs, I think it's obvious by my latest posts.[/QUOTE]
"I'm not racist, I just judge based on colour of skin and where people are born".
I had no idea how much Israel sucked before you started posting, good job.
Hunger, lack of humanitarian aid, urgent need for basic stuff and death in Gaza:
[url]http://paltoday.ps/arabic/News-64161.html[/url]
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22438869]I don't see how these footages could disprove it. First of all whatever the IDF might release everyone could say "well there's still some of it they didn't release" even though they might have released it all.
Second, the security footage couldn't have shown all the IDF soldiers all the time, it's enough that for a few seconds the security cameras weren't at the right angle, and people could say that during those few seconds, the IDF shot at the boat.
I would like to see the unreleased footage as much as you do, however.
So she can hear, but she can't say the IDF has fired on her or on the boat specifically. These could have been the warning shots we've all heard, or the shots fired during the struggle with the activists.[/QUOTE]
But that's no excuse. All of that is possible, yeah, but it's so unlikely that there's no possible reason to even consider that to be true. You shouldn't [I]have[/I] to make excuses, they aren't releasing footage that would prove their innocence. And yes, that footage does exist, we know there were cameras trained on that deck where the fight occurred. We know that military cameras don't start in the middle of the operation. They do have that footage, and they won't release the bits that would put this whole issue to rest.
How can you still actively support their story?
Because he is an Israel fanboy.
I'm ok with Arabs joining the IDF, maybe not put them somewhere they could compromise security but they have just as much right to fight as anyone else. Not really a matter of Arabs against Arabs, more an issue of Arabs helping other Arabs by misusing a position of power. Not saying everyone would do so but it's hard to prove loyalty and it's not a big deal not being able to do the border jobs.
[QUOTE=sp00ks;22438949]Because he is an Israel fanboy.[/QUOTE]
I'm serious, this is getting absolutely rediculous. Israel has done not one thing that proves it's reliability or it's innocence, not one thing. Not one admirable gesture, not one honorable admission, not one sign that they're prepared to clear their names. How can anyone actively support them at this point?
[QUOTE=Devodiere;22438961]I'm ok with Arabs joining the IDF, maybe not put them somewhere they could compromise security but they have just as much right to fight as anyone else. Not really a matter of Arabs against Arabs, more an issue of Arabs helping other Arabs by misusing a position of power. Not saying everyone would do so but it's hard to prove loyalty and it's not a big deal not being able to do the border jobs.[/QUOTE]
So you think all Arabs are traitors?
[QUOTE=Hoffa1337;22438997]So you think all Arabs are traitors?[/QUOTE]
No one thinks Arabs are traitors, we're just saying that if there were any, it would be quite risky, and there's a lot more chance that they would be than Jews.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;22438961]I'm ok with Arabs joining the IDF, maybe not put them somewhere they could compromise security but they have just as much right to fight as anyone else. Not really a matter of Arabs against Arabs, more an issue of Arabs helping other Arabs by misusing a position of power. Not saying everyone would do so but it's hard to prove loyalty and it's not a big deal not being able to do the border jobs.[/QUOTE]
Oh yeah, them arabs. Might sell us out.
You know what else you gotta look out for? Them niggers. All them niggers in the army, who knows if they'll sell us out to Africa. Hell, what about them goddamn Koreans? Gooks are gonna let Kim Jong Il walk right into the White House!
You just see, the only people you can trust are good old fashioned native folk. Cause everyone else cares more about what color your skin is that who they support! Us whites and the Jews are the only impartial races, and that's why you've got to watch out for everyone else!
Hunger, lack of humanitarian aid, urgent need for basic stuff and death in Gaza:
[url]http://paltoday.ps/arabic/News-64161.html[/url]
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22439011]No one thinks Arabs are traitors, we're just saying that if there were any, it would be quite risky, and there's a lot more chance that they would be than Jews.[/QUOTE]
Black people also commit more crime than white people. Are you saying we shouldn't let them into the police force?
May I direct your attention to a post made by Uberslug several pages ago.
[QUOTE=Uberslug;22407887]Pretty much this. The whole point of civil disobedience is that you expose the law as unjust by becoming a victim of it. If the protesters were actually using deadly weapons against the soldiers, they lose a huge chunk of the moral high ground.[/QUOTE]
It doesn't matter if they fired first, it doesn't fully justify attacking them. No violent action is considered peaceful or expected no matter what kind of provocation and the provocation required for beating someone like that is nowhere near the threat posed at that time.
[QUOTE=IshMadhim;22439028]Hunger, lack of humanitarian aid, urgent need for basic stuff and death in Gaza:
[URL]http://paltoday.ps/arabic/News-64161.html[/URL][/QUOTE]
Is this a propaganda bot or something? That'd be interesting...
With the way Israel is acting at the moment I think we should make sure there are no jews in the US military. Or give them unimportant jobs.
You know, just to be sure. You never know with those jews.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22439011]No one thinks Arabs are traitors, we're just saying that if there were any, it would be quite risky, and there's a lot more chance that they would be than Jews.[/QUOTE]
Do you even know how bad that sounds? "Sorry guys, you can't join the swedish army because your parents were norwegian, you might stab us in the back because your parents are not the same nationality as us"
You really sound racist.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22439011]No one thinks Arabs are traitors, we're just saying that if there were any, it would be quite risky, and there's a lot more chance that they would be than Jews.[/QUOTE]
Do you agree that Egyptians are not allowed to marry Israelis due to the Egypt Government viewing it as a 'security threat'?
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