ISRAEL THREAD (Post new Israel threads = get banned)
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[QUOTE=starpluck;22441379]You''re sarcasm detector needs new batteries bro.
Just look at my avatar.[/QUOTE]
if i may ask, what is your source?
[QUOTE=Enishi;22441456]if i may ask, what is your source?[/QUOTE]
Not on wikipedia that's for sure.
Soldiers usually have CQC training, especially commandoes. I think they could have subdued even two disaster aid (if you will) ship crew members at a time. According to the media here though. "Multiple" crew members died from "multiple gunshot wounds from close range".
Edit: My point being they used deadly force senselessly.
[QUOTE=Enishi;22441456]if i may ask, what is your source?[/QUOTE]
Thanks for asking, I just recently discovered Israel currently defies [B]66[/B] resolutions, not 65.
[url]http://guardian.150m.com/palestine/UN-condemnation-of-israel.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.ifamericansknew.com/stats/un.html[/url]
[URL="http://www.jatonyc.org/UNresolutions.html"]Jews against the occupation [/URL]
[url]http://www.uscrusade.com/forum/config.pl/noframes/read/1372[/url]
[url]http://www.wake-up-america.net/UN%20Resolutions%20against%20Israel.htm[/url]
etc.
The links include condemnations, and current defiance. A simple Google does the trick.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22440727]
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:byewhore:
[QUOTE=1/4 Life;22441810]:byewhore:[/QUOTE]
:cawg:
Only 12 hours though :(
[QUOTE=gudman;22441041]You. Are. Terrorist. Sympathizer.[/QUOTE]
I just saw this and I didn't expect less from Mr. Putin who also likes killing anyone opposing him mercilessly. Hope I won't have an elevator accident.
[QUOTE=Jugulum;22440633]You are still blaming the victims by making claims that they were "fighters" and "extremists". I mean, what the fuck? The IDF boarded a crowded vessel in international waters in the middle of the night using rubber bullets and shock grenades, and you are saying that the people only fought back because there were extremists (Or "very angry people", there's a small difference between the two) that wanted to incite a fight for martyrdom. [/QUOTE]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSAxAj2KIdU[/media]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3L7OV414Kk[/media]
[QUOTE=Jugulum;22440633]It's insane how many people are buying into that narrative, especially after the IDF was found forging audio evidence. Remember, they are still withholding footage, why do you think they are doing this?
Regarding the last sentence, I still haven't said you are stupid, I am however highly sceptical to anything IDF says at this point, considering all the shit they've already pulled and been called out on.[/QUOTE]
Forging audio evidence? What exactly did they forge? Nothing. They shortened a six minute audio recording because most of it was silence or illegible. You people are fucking idiots who read a news title and create your own narrative in your head, rather than actually read the article. Dumb bitch claims that was a "different freedom flotilla with a different six ships". My ass.
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I guess ClinicalThought is here to step in for BurnEmDown.
I'm sick of proving ClinicalThought wrong everytime.
He just never learns.
[QUOTE=starpluck;22442344]I'm sick of proving ClinicalThought wrong everytime.
He just never learns.[/QUOTE]
Point out one time you have ever done that.
Maybe in your own little reality.
[QUOTE=CriticalThought;22442434]Point out one time you have ever done that.
Maybe in your own little reality.[/QUOTE]
CriticalThought, have you ever wondered why you're the only person who doesn't think you're fucking crazy?
[QUOTE=CriticalThought;22442434]Point out one time you have ever done that.
Maybe in your own little reality.[/QUOTE]
[URL]http://www.facepunch.com/showpost.php?p=22326993&postcount=275[/URL]
[URL]http://www.facepunch.com/showpost.php?p=22327681&postcount=293[/URL]
[URL]http://www.facepunch.com/showpost.php?p=22328197&postcount=301[/URL]
Your final rebuttal to my refutation: "The Israeli parliament member was an Arab", you also tried showing me a dead Israeli baby, then it turned out to be Palestinian. And "why there were no casualties prior to boarding the ship"; even though a British witness confirmed there was.
So yeah, you lost.
So Starpluck, out of curiosity, what is your ideal solution to the whole Israel situation. Not the blockade mess, but generally what is your idea of an ideal solution for the Gaza-Israel problem?
Actually I guess I'd like to hear it from anyone. I'm sure a lot of people have a solution in mind. Though bear in mind that if it isn't actually realistic, don't bother, as that adds nothing to the discussion.
Most people here aren't terrorist sympathizers, they're sympathetic to the Palestinian men, women and children who needlessly suffer every day because of Israels bad handling of hamas.
[QUOTE=Enishi;22440411]BurnEmDown isn't trolling, he's an Israeli citizen. don't you think his country would throw out as much propaganda as possible to at least keep their own citizens on their side?[/QUOTE]
And you believe the garbage you are being informed by arab people who try
to justify their acts.
[QUOTE=starpluck;22442578][URL]http://www.facepunch.com/showpost.php?p=22326993&postcount=275[/URL]
[URL]http://www.facepunch.com/showpost.php?p=22327681&postcount=293[/URL]
[URL]http://www.facepunch.com/showpost.php?p=22328197&postcount=301[/URL]
Your final rebuttal to my refutation: "The Israeli parliament member was an Arab", you also tried showing me a dead Israeli baby, then it turned out to be Palestinian. And "why there were no casualties prior to boarding the ship"; even though a British witness confirmed there was.
So yeah, you lost.[/QUOTE]
Uh, 1. you never refuted anything in that post, if you had read the article instead of inventing your own narrative in your head, you would have seen that a certain action taken by Israel, which isn't being done in Gaza, is being purported as illegal, that doesn't make the blockade illegal.
2. Your second "refutation" was you claiming that Israel is collectively punishing the Gazans by not allowing them newspapers and fresh meat. That doesn't mean shit, that isn't a refutation, that is you coming up with nothing.
And 3. That picture never had anything to do with what you said, it was directed at a guy who was disingenuously posting pictures. I didn't lose shit. You should come up with some actual refutations instead of just thing you thought you refuted.
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[QUOTE=GunFox;22442644]So Starpluck, out of curiosity, what is your ideal solution to the whole Israel situation. Not the blockade mess, but generally what is your idea of an ideal solution for the Gaza-Israel problem?
Actually I guess I'd like to hear it from anyone. I'm sure a lot of people have a solution in mind. Though bear in mind that if it isn't actually realistic, don't bother, as that adds nothing to the discussion.[/QUOTE]
Give Gaza to Gazans. Give them no support, if they don't want to be part of Israel, they don't get Israel's help. If they attack Israel, than Israel can invade them just like any real country.
[QUOTE=GunFox;22442644]So Starpluck, out of curiosity, what is your ideal solution to the whole Israel situation. Not the blockade mess, but generally what is your idea of an ideal solution for the Gaza-Israel problem?
Actually I guess I'd like to hear it from anyone. I'm sure a lot of people have a solution in mind. Though bear in mind that if it isn't actually realistic, don't bother, as that adds nothing to the discussion.[/QUOTE]
keep the barricade, but allow traffic in and out, having border security much like the US does with mexico.
only more guarded along the wall, to stop bombers sneaking in and shit.
Israel should be allowed to make incursions on gaza, only with foot soldiers/commandos to seek out and arrest (and kill, only if need be) hamas personel. No blowing up whole buildings and shit, no dropping bombs.
[QUOTE=GunFox;22442644]Actually I guess I'd like to hear it from anyone. I'm sure a lot of people have a solution in mind. Though bear in mind that if it isn't actually realistic, don't bother, as that adds nothing to the discussion.[/QUOTE]
It can start with Israel pulling out of the occupied territories completely, including East Jerusalem.
[QUOTE=CriticalThought;22442820]
Give Gaza to Gazans. Give them no support, if they don't want to be part of Israel, they don't get Israel's help. If they attack Israel, than Israel can invade them just like any real country.[/QUOTE]
Unlikely. Israel provides them with power.
Plus the removal of aid, power, and medical aid from the Israel may very well just invoke further ire from other nations.
It may work ultimately, but it's a gamble that Israel is unlikely to pursue.
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[QUOTE=BigDumbBear;22442873]It can start with Israel pulling out of the occupied territories completely, including East Jerusalem.[/QUOTE]
Define "occupied territories".
Nothing is completely black or white, guys.
Israel exaggerated how kindly they treated the activists.
The activists exaggerated how badly the Israelis treated them.
The media exaggerated everything.
The end.
It's very easy to have an extreme or one-sided opinion, but the real challenge is to accept the truth that both sides were wrong when they did this.
[QUOTE=GunFox;22442923]Unlikely. Israel provides them with power.
Plus the removal of aid, power, and medical aid from the Israel may very well just invoke further ire from other nations.
It may work ultimately, but it's a gamble that Israel is unlikely to pursue.
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Define "occupied territories".[/QUOTE]
Not to mention Gaza has no infrastructure. They wouldn't be able to survive.
[QUOTE=CriticalThought;22442820]Uh, 1. you never refuted anything in that post, if you had read the article instead of inventing your own narrative in your head, you would have seen that a certain action taken by Israel, which isn't being done in Gaza, is being purported as illegal, that doesn't make the blockade legal.[/QUOTE]
What are you trying to prove?
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2. Your second "refutation" was you claiming that Israel is collectively punishing the Gazans by not allowing them newspapers and fresh meat. That doesn't mean shit, that isn't a refutation, that is you coming up with nothing.[/quote] That means everything. If you actually read what I fucking said you'd understand. I was explaining to you why the blockade is illegal. That is the reason why its illegal; therefore it does not become recognized.
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And 3. That picture never had anything to do with what you said, it was directed at a guy who was disingenuously posting pictures. I didn't lose shit. You should come up with some actual refutations instead of just thing you thought you refuted.[/quot]
Yeah, you included that in your final rebuttal.
Learn how to argue efficiently.
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[QUOTE=GunFox;22442644]So Starpluck, out of curiosity, what is your ideal solution to the whole Israel situation. Not the blockade mess, but generally what is your idea of an ideal solution for the Gaza-Israel problem?
Actually I guess I'd like to hear it from anyone. I'm sure a lot of people have a solution in mind. Though bear in mind that if it isn't actually realistic, don't bother, as that adds nothing to the discussion.[/QUOTE]
If I were to respond it'd be in paragraphs so it'd take a while.
[QUOTE=starpluck;22442999]What are you trying to prove?[/quote]
That that person isn't able to say that the blockade is illegal, the headline said that. They said Israel expanding and building settlements was illegal, and that isn't happening in Gaza. The shit she said about Gaza she said with no actual evidence, she just stated a law, and apparently was only going off the same shit said by the Palestinian terrorist apologists.
Oh look: [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTRg74Gn_Nc[/media]
[QUOTE=starpluck;22442999]That means everything. If you actually read what I fucking said you'd understand. I was explaining to you why the blockade is illegal. That is the reason why its illegal; therefore it does not become recognized. [/quote]
You didn't explain anything, you said that what Israel was doing was illegal according to UN protocols, and your evidence was a list of prohibited goods. Good try though. Not actually, pretty fucking horrible try.
[QUOTE=starpluck;22442999]Yeah, you included that in your final rebuttal.[/quote]
Did I? Post that shit then so I can show you that you are WRONG. AGAIN.
[QUOTE=starpluck;22442999]Learn how to argue efficiently. [/QUOTE]
HURDURDURDURDUR
[QUOTE=CriticalThought;22443266]That that person isn't able to say that the blockade is illegal, the headline said that. They said Israel expanding and building settlements was illegal, and that isn't happening in Gaza. The shit she said about Gaza she said with no actual evidence, she just stated a law, and apparently was only going off the same shit said by the Palestinian terrorist apologists. [/quote] I already made a news thread confirming the blockades illegality but I'm digging through this thread.
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You didn't explain anything, you said that what Israel was doing was illegal according to UN protocols, and your evidence was a list of prohibited goods. Good try though. Not actually, pretty fucking horrible try.[/quote]If it fails to distinguish between civilians and military its illegal. I'm pretty sure, cattle, chicks, cows, chocolate, jam etc. is not to prevent Hamas from gaining to powerful.
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Did I? Post that shit then so I can show you that you are WRONG. AGAIN.[/quote]
[url]http://www.facepunch.com/showpost.php?p=22328461&postcount=322[/url]
Lol. Edit the post I linked you too, I dare you.
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HURDURDURDURDUR[/QUOTE]
Quite disappointing.
[QUOTE=GunFox;22442923]Define "occupied territories".[/QUOTE]
Well, the territories captured by Israel after the 1967 war. They include the Gaza strip, West Bank and East Jerusalem. Currently, Israel is in violation of dozens if not hundreds of resolutions by illegally occupying these lands. Wikipedia describes these territories as:
"The Israeli-occupied territories are the territories which have been designated as occupied territory by many international organisations, governments and others to refer to the territory captured by Israel from Egypt, Jordan, and Syria during the Six-Day War of 1967. They consist of the West Bank, the Gaza Strip and much of the Golan Heights and, until 1982, the Sinai Peninsula. The West Bank and Gaza Strip are also referred to as Palestinian territories or Occupied Palestinian Territory. Palestinian Authority considers East Jerusalem to be part of the West Bank, a position disputed by Israel."
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[QUOTE=starpluck;22443659]If it fails to distinguish between civilians and military its illegal. I'm pretty sure, cattle, chicks, cows, chocolate, jam etc. is not to prevent Hamas from gaining to powerful.[/QUOTE]
The idea is to turn the Palestinians against Hamas for the realities on the ground. A foolish notion. Israelis forget that Arabs are proud people. They would rather starve to death than lick the boots of their oppressor.
[QUOTE=starpluck;22443659]I already made a news thread confirming the blockades illegality but I'm digging through this thread.[/QUOTE]
Yeah and that thread is the ballsheat
[QUOTE=starpluck;22443659]If it fails to distinguish between civilians and military its illegal. I'm pretty sure, cattle, chicks, cows, chocolate, jam etc. is not to prevent Hamas from gaining to powerful.[/QUOTE]
I don't know what the difference between cattle and cows are, but have you heard of methane? I don't know Israel's actual reason, but that's my guess. I don't know why chickens, I don't know why for a lot of things. Doesn't make sense [B]to me[/B]. But considering I'm not an expert at this shit, and Israel has been defending itself against Muslim terror since it's creation, I'd say it probably is, and it has it's reasons.
Maybe goats because Israel is trying to prevent STDs?
[B]EDIT:[/B]
Apparently the actual reason: because it's an unnecessary commodity that is hard to transport, unlike regular frozen meat
honey and spices and stuff also aren't allowed because they are an unnecessary commodity. If they would bring these things along with the allowed items only the people who don't really need them would be able to get them because people who have enough money to buy honey and spices don't need humanitarian aid
[QUOTE=starpluck;22443659][url]http://www.facepunch.com/showpost.php?p=22328461&postcount=322[/url]
Lol. Edit the post I linked you too, I dare you.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.facepunch.com/showpost.php?p=22328218&postcount=303[/url]
Oh look, I was never responding to you. Was that so hard?
Does [url]http://www.facepunch.com/showpost.php?p=22328461&postcount=322[/url] look like a final rebuttal? No, not really.
[QUOTE=starpluck;22443659]Quite disappointing.[/QUOTE]
Indeed
[QUOTE=CriticalThought;22443963]Maybe goats because Israel is trying to prevent STDs?[/QUOTE]
Oh look: Muslims are goat fuckers joke.
[QUOTE=BigDumbBear;22444051]Oh look: Muslims are goat fuckers joke.[/QUOTE]
Hey man, as long is it's hetero and no one eats the meat, that shit's awwwwwwwwwwright.
[QUOTE=CriticalThought;22443963]Yeah and that thread is the ballsheat
I don't know what the difference between cattle and cows are, but have you heard of methane? I don't know Israel's actual reason, but that's my guess. I don't know why chickens, I don't know why for a lot of things. Doesn't make sense [B]to me[/B]. But considering I'm not an expert at this shit, and Israel has been defending itself against Muslim terror since it's creation, I'd say it probably is, and it has it's reasons.
Maybe goats because Israel is trying to prevent STDs?
[B]EDIT:[/B]
Apparently the actual reason: because it's an unnecessary commodity that is hard to transport, unlike regular frozen meat
honey and spices and stuff also aren't allowed because they are an unnecessary commodity. If they would bring these things along with the allowed items only the people who don't really need them would be able to get them because people who have enough money to buy honey and spices don't need humanitarian aid
[url]http://www.facepunch.com/showpost.php?p=22328218&postcount=303[/url]
Oh look, I was never responding to you. Was that so hard?
Does [url]http://www.facepunch.com/showpost.php?p=22328461&postcount=322[/url] look like a final rebuttal? No, not really.
Indeed[/QUOTE]
you disgust me.
you clearly cannot think critically of Israels policys, i dare say.
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[QUOTE=CriticalThought;22444179]Hey man, as long is it's hetero and no one eats the meat, that shit's awwwwwwwwwwright.[/QUOTE]
a racist and a homophobe.
As far as I'm concerned, people like you, especially your countries government are going to be the first up against the wall when the revolution comes.
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