• ISRAEL THREAD (Post new Israel threads = get banned)
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Why are you still trying? Even if Israel admits that they were in the wrong, this guy would somehow find a way to say that they were right
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22471438]It's not one person, it's the crime of the government they elected. And we don't do it to punish, we do it so we can be secure, if we remove the blockade, Iran will be able to send the Hamas tons of rockets. And not those petty Qassam rockets that don't do shit, I'm talking about real rockets, missiles, which will be able to reach up to Tel-Aviv or Jerusalem, and bomb the shit out of everything.[/QUOTE] You want to compare the crime of imprisoning a nation to imprioning one man? I'm comparing the crime of imprisoning a nation to imprisoning one criminal and a town. If you want to bitch about analogies, [I]don't fucking use them, hmm?[/I] Do I look like I give two shits about your intentions? Why would I? What matter is your actions, motherfucker. Oh, let me call a whaaambulance for you. two thousand people dead in ten years, why let me play you a tune on the world's smallest violin. Get this in your head skippy, that's two thousand people dead. You're imprisoning and starving over one million people. Give me your estimation of how many people have been killed by the lack of fresh water that your actions induced? I'm going to say that with 80% of one and a half million people not having fresh water, it's damn well over two fucking thousand. So don't you bitch for one goddamn second about security. Car crashes kill more people than this eminent threat that you apparently piss yourself in fear over constantly, so don't you whine about those big bad hamas and their evil death missiles. You inflict [I]infinitely[/I] worse deaths on more people for your petty false security.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22471063]No, but I would say that it is justify since if they had, Israeli civilians wouldn't have their security (and I'm not saying the people of Gaza are all a risk, only the Hamas and their supporters). I would definitely like for the people there to have more freedom, and want Israel to let more food and supplies through, because not only will this maybe do good for the people there, it would reduce criticism against Israel.[/QUOTE] LETS OPPRESS PEOPLE FOR NO REASON oh fuck, they're fighting back persecution card! [editline]10:00PM[/editline] [QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22471594]So what? Even if it's neutral, if it's trying or going to try to breach the blockade Israel can board it. And why do you have so many alts?[/QUOTE] They weren't trying to breach an ILLEGAL blockade. They were in fucking INTERNATIONAL waters, you thick fuck
[QUOTE=Warhol;22471541]ship was not Palestinian mah boi [editline]09:55PM[/editline] lol, that is complete fucking nonsense and you know it. [editline]09:57PM[/editline] Yeah, you know, big wall, oppression you know, I would have thought you Jews, who went through this shit in Poland, would understand why Palestine is attacking Israel.[/QUOTE] The Jews who went through the holocaust are almost all dead. BurnEmDown hasn't experienced living in a ghetto for one day in his fucking life.
If you claim so many people are starving, and 90% of the people don't have access to fresh water, then surely this would mean that the Gazan population would have severely dropped, how about you provide some numbers and estimates to prove your claim?
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22471969]If you claim so many people are starving, and 90% of the people don't have access to fresh water, then surely this would mean that the Gazan population would have severely dropped, how about you provide some numbers and estimates to prove your claim?[/QUOTE] No, 80%. I know two digit numbers can be hard, but just do it for me, okay? And, no, I disagree with that assertion. As Africa and it's ilk have shown us, you can maintain a population and still be in a world of shit.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22471969]If you claim so many people are starving, and 90% of the people don't have access to fresh water, then surely this would mean that the Gazan population would have severely dropped, how about you provide some numbers and estimates to prove your claim?[/QUOTE] You would be surprised at human resilience to adversity. Just because they're alive doesn't mean they're swimming in pools sipping cocktails.
That's because they're breeding like mad. That's also true in Gaza, but not as much (They ranked highest fertility rate in non-African countries except for Yemen and Afghanistan). Edit: There should still be a considerable amount of deaths there on a daily basis.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22472145]That's because they're breeding like mad. That's also true in Gaza, but not as much (They ranked highest fertility rate in non-African countries except for Yemen and Afghanistan). Edit: There should still be a considerable amount of deaths there on a daily basis.[/QUOTE] You have got to be kidding me, are you really this dense? You just gave an explanation for the population staying the same: Massive reproduction ONLY way that'd work is if there are: MASSIVE DEATHS.
It's not staying the same, it's growing sharply.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22472239]It's not staying the same, it's growing sharply.[/QUOTE] "I'd like to see some facts stating this"
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22472145]That's because they're breeding like mad. That's also true in Gaza, but not as much (They ranked highest fertility rate in non-African countries except for Yemen and Afghanistan). Edit: There should still be a considerable amount of deaths there on a daily basis.[/QUOTE] There are. Infant mortality: total: 17.71 deaths/1,000 live births country comparison to the world: 109 Life expectancy at birth: total population: 73.68 years country comparison to the world: 110
Is that from recent years? Because on Wikipedia I was only able to find a 2006 estimate. Edit: Also those are infant deaths, they aren't related to starvation or lack of water, they are related to medical problems (unrelated to medical supplies, many tons of medical supplies are being transferred to Gaza daily).
[QUOTE=Miskav;22472248]"I'd like to see some facts stating this"[/QUOTE] He actually is right: Population growth rate: 3.29% (2010 est.) country comparison to the world: 6 But that's mostly because of this: Total fertility rate: 4.9 children born/woman (2010 est.) country comparison to the world: 26 [editline]05:25PM[/editline] [QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22472267]Is that from recent years? Because on Wikipedia I was only able to find a 2006 estimate.[/QUOTE] 2010. [url]https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/gz.html[/url]
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22472145]That's because they're breeding like mad. That's also true in Gaza, but not as much (They ranked highest fertility rate in non-African countries except for Yemen and Afghanistan). Edit: There should still be a considerable amount of deaths there on a daily basis.[/QUOTE] Oh, so you knew you were wrong before you even posted. Great fucking job. Which is my exact point? [editline]09:27PM[/editline] [QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22472239]It's not staying the same, it's growing sharply.[/QUOTE] So you really did fucking know you were wrong before you posted. Wow. Dick. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Blatant flaming." - GunFox))[/highlight]
"3.36 deaths/1,000 population (July 2010 est.)" So they have 3.36 deaths per 1000 population per year. In 2006, before the blockade, it was 3.8 deaths per 1000 population [editline]12:29AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22472308]Oh, so you knew you were wrong before you even posted. Great fucking job. Which is my exact point? [editline]09:27PM[/editline] So you really did fucking know you were wrong before you posted. Wow. Dick.[/QUOTE] What are you talking about? How am I wrong? You still didn't prove they were dying so much as you described.
This is a really interesting statistic, showing just how poor these people really are: Electricity usage 202,000 kWh (2009) country comparison to the world: 214 The only country/region that uses less electricity are the Northern Mariana Islands, and those islands have over thirty times less people than the Gaza strip.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22472376]"3.36 deaths/1,000 population (July 2010 est.)" So they have 3.36 deaths per 1000 population per year. In 2006, before the blockade, it was 3.8 deaths per 1000 population [editline]12:29AM[/editline] What are you talking about? How am I wrong? You still didn't prove they were dying so much as you described.[/QUOTE] That's infant mortality, not total deaths.
[QUOTE=johnlukeg;22472479]That's infant mortality, not total deaths.[/QUOTE] No, that's total deaths, I posted infant mortality: Infant mortality: total: 17.71 deaths/1,000 live births
From Wiki: Mortality rate 3.8 deaths/1,000 population (2006 est.) From CIA world Factbook: Death rate: 3.36 deaths/1,000 population (July 2010 est.) country comparison to the world: 215
[QUOTE=Kagrenak;22472489]No, that's total deaths, I posted infant mortality: Infant mortality: total: 17.71 deaths/1,000 live births[/QUOTE] Guess I was scrolling up and down too fast for my own good. I still don't see how population growth has anything to do with injustice, though. To think that a country's total population would need to decline for there to be an international response is silly.
That's exactly what I'm saying. The amount of deaths doesn't have much to do with it. It's a part in the equation, of course, but it doesn't matter as much as who is right, who tried defending himself, who used unnecessary force, and so on. Regardless, Mr. Scorpio insists that there is mass starvation in Gaza, and that the people there are at constant risk of dying. I think that if this was the case, three years of the blockade would have changed the death rate of the population for the worst, not for the better (from 3.8 to 3.36 deaths per 1000 in 4 years).
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22471969]If you claim so many people are starving, and 90% of the people don't have access to fresh water, then surely this would mean that the Gazan population would have severely dropped, how about you provide some numbers and estimates to prove your claim?[/QUOTE] Uh, a lot of third-world countries have massive population lol oh jesus, he's seriously fucking denying the Gazan's are oppressed. [editline]12:09AM[/editline] [QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22472145]That's because they're breeding like mad. That's also true in Gaza, but not as much (They ranked highest fertility rate in non-African countries except for Yemen and Afghanistan). Edit: There should still be a considerable amount of deaths there on a daily basis.[/QUOTE] There IS a considerable amount of deaths there, just because fertility is high, doesn't mean people don't die. This is not a hard fucking concept. [editline]12:11AM[/editline] [QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22472267]Is that from recent years? Because on Wikipedia I was only able to find a 2006 estimate. Edit: Also those are infant deaths, they aren't related to starvation or lack of water, they are related to medical problems (unrelated to medical supplies, [B]many tons of medical supplies are being transferred to Gaza daily)[/B].[/QUOTE] Really? so babies don't eat? lol, in what fantasy world? [editline]12:11AM[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;22472308] [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Blatant flaming." - GunFox))[/highlight][/QUOTE] lol, gunfox banning people he disagrees with, yet again [editline]12:12AM[/editline] [QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22472376]"3.36 deaths/1,000 population (July 2010 est.)" So they have 3.36 deaths per 1000 population per year. In 2006, before the blockade, it was 3.8 deaths per 1000 population [editline]12:29AM[/editline] What are you talking about? How am I wrong? You still didn't prove they were dying so much as you described.[/QUOTE] dude, you don't need statistics to realise the terrible fucking conditions of Gaza.
I let multiple offenses pass. You are on your last leg too.
more often then not if you happen to agree with them.
It's pretty blatant that you're banning selectively otherwise BurnEmDown would be banned for trolling among other people
I wouldn't say he's trolling, more just being stubborn, like when he was proven wrong about the maritime manual, he fucking switched topics faster then you could fucking respond to it.
There are plenty of people in this thread debating reasonably. You two are the only real problems.
Their debates are just as reasonable until Burn starts to post
Bet if I was waving an Israeli flag, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Regardless of the insulting fluff, I still have valid points
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