• ISRAEL THREAD (Post new Israel threads = get banned)
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[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22384999]Israel has legally boarded the ship, it wasn't much of an "attack". Then, the activists attacked the commandos, almost killing them. The commandos had a chance to use their guns too at several points, but didn't use it until they were authorized. They killed 9 people as their only way of self defense, if they wouldn't have done that, they would have died themselves. And we are not talking about wether it was a good decision or not, we are talking about legality.[/QUOTE] Boarding and capturing a ship is an attack by any definition of the word, whether the defenders fought back or not.
[QUOTE=johnlukeg;22385164]Boarding and capturing a ship is an attack by any definition of the word, whether the defenders fought back or not.[/QUOTE] They boarded a ship to defend the blockade, with the intent of inspecting the ship and its cargo, not taking control of it completely.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22384608]It's possible to fire 5 shots from a semi-automatic handgun faster than the body would fall.[/QUOTE] the average human height is 1.7m. the body falls at 9.8m/s as soon as the first bullet hit his head. that means that he would have to fire 4 shots at the head (which is falling) in less than 1/2 of a second. the best shooters in the world can shoot one shot in just over 1/10th of a second.
[QUOTE=ScoutKing;22384895]actually... the mortality rate for a gunshot to the leg, foot, arm, are still extremely high.[/QUOTE] I know that, due to blood circulation. But still, feels like there must have been something better than to just go Patton on their asses...
Ah well, my mistake then.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22385253]Ah well, my mistake then.[/QUOTE] it's possible if the gun had burst fire, or if more than one person was shooting at him though.
[QUOTE=Canesfan;22384687]I'm sorry, I can't help but notice: you called him out for calling bandwagon and not being constructive and you were done arguing but uh, where did you argue anything but calling yourself a minority and generalizing that all of FP parodies death and has no value for human life. [/QUOTE] that doesn't have anything to do with bandwagoning. [QUOTE=Canesfan;22384687]So uh, you can't just "declare we all don't care about human life as some ace in an argument. Stay out of this unless you have something constructive to say."[/QUOTE] I never used it as an argument if you're gonna call someone out, make sure you know what you are talking about first
[QUOTE=Vinze;22385241]I know that, due to blood circulation. But still, feels like there must have been something better than to just go Patton on their asses...[/QUOTE] Even the pepper guns at that close range would of been pretty nasty. Shooting their feet and shins would of worked but only if they actually hit them and they did get medical attention shortly after. There would be a point when they shoot them when the protesters realise they are serious and back off but that could of been 1 person or 20, who's to say.
Yeah I thought about the more than one person situation, but they would have to be shooting at the same time for it to be accepted.
There's no gun description in any of the articles other than some uses of handguns, but commandos wouldn't storm anywhere without some sort of automatic assualt weapon.
They used pepperball guns as their primary weapon and were only allowed to use their 9mm handguns, their secondary weapon, if there was risk to their life, which there was.
[QUOTE=Keyblockor;22384441]Honestly, I don't know why the Israel government is doing all of this to stop a boat from trying to give relief to Gaza.[/QUOTE] Because it's illegal what those "activists" are doing, including breaking maritime laws.
[QUOTE=HighdefGE;22385607]Because it's illegal what those "activists" are doing, including breaking maritime laws.[/QUOTE] Yes breaking a blockade that's been ruled by the UN and ICJ as illegal.
[QUOTE=Sporkfire;22385645]Yes breaking a blockade that's been ruled by the UN and ICJ as illegal.[/QUOTE] Would you link me those quotes?
It hasn't been ruled by the UN as illegal. Some officials said it was illegal, but the UN still didn't make an official statement on it.
shot four times in the head and once in the chest from a distance of 2 to 14 cm yeah, that is definitely justifiable :cawg:
[QUOTE=JDK721;22385709]shot four times in the head and once in the chest from a distance of 2 to 14 cm yeah, that is definitely justifiable :cawg:[/QUOTE] Oh you think that's funny? A person was shot 4 times in the head and all you can think of is how funny that is. /sarcasm
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22385725]Oh you think that's funny? A person was shot 4 times in the head and all you can think of is how funny that is. /sarcasm[/QUOTE] it's funny that anyone can possibly claim that's justified force you're like the Israeli joseph goebbels. do us a favor and stop posting. did you ever meet ClinicalThought? you and him would probably get along well.
When did I say that 4 bullets to the head was justifiable?
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22385795]When did I say that 4 bullets to the head was justifiable?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22384132]Well actually if I was dying I would want to shoot whoever was attacking me at least several times, although I'd imagine commandos are trained to shoot once and make it count.[/QUOTE] of course you don't discriminate on which body part you shoot.
My second quote doesn't mention wether it was justifiable or not. I merely said that if I was in that situation I would probably act the same. I added the second part of the article in criticism of the 4 shots to the head actually, raising suspicions that I assume commandos are trained to shoot only once and make it count, and not several times.
I'm just curious as to what situation could even make four shots to the head possible.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22385725]/sarcasm[/QUOTE] Why must you do this
Didn't want to get banned for trolling? Maybe I shouldn't have posted in the first place :v:, sorry.
Overkill?
[QUOTE=TH89;22385952]Why must you do this[/QUOTE] May I ask you an unrelated question? As you are an anti-Israeli, and GunFox is a pro-Israeli, have you have been in an argument on the matter? You sometimes post in the related threads and he sometimes does too, but you rarely post in the same time or mention each other. Just curious because it could be cool watching two mods argue.
This whole incident is fucked up. I cannot see the circumstances where 4 shots to the head were made in self defense. If more than one guy was shooting at him I doubt they all would have hit him in the head, given the fact they were being attacked by a mob and forced to frantically defend themselves. Unless the Israeli commandos are just that fucking good.
[QUOTE=BurnEmDown;22386209]May I ask you an unrelated question? As you are an anti-Israeli, and GunFox is a pro-Israeli, have you have been in an argument on the matter? You sometimes post in the related threads and he sometimes does too, but you rarely post in the same time or mention each other. Just curious because it could be cool watching two mods argue.[/QUOTE] I think I've argued with GunFox about things in the past, but I can't remember if Israel was one of them. And I don't know that "anti-Israeli" is an accurate description, I support the blockade and Israel's right to exist. I just think their lack of concern for human rights, especially in my name, is disappointing if not despicable coming from a first-world nation.
Well I could have said "pro-Palestinian" but that doesn't necessarily implies you are against Israel's actions. Thinking about it "anti-Israeli" Isn't a correct term either for the reasons you post, so I have no idea what would be the correct term.
Also Gunfox knows more about this than I do, and when someone who knows more than I do starts posting about something I prefer to just shut up and try to learn things
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