Swedish Government to be re-elected for the first time since 1958 - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Simski;46630172]That's like trying to get rid of a rat infestation by releasing a truck full of poisonous snakes[/QUOTE] I'd like to see Sweden today if it wasn't for M and Anders Borg etc sosseskap

[QUOTE=Meniketti21;46629106]Just hoping that either "Alliansen" and the Social Democrat Party, the Green Party and the Left Party can compromise so that the Swedish Democrats (far-right, anti immigration, many of their politicians have expressed racist thoughts publicly) don't get a say in anything. If they get a say in the Swedish politics, it will be the beginning of the end of Sweden. It will ruin Sweden.[/QUOTE] The fact they have a fair number of seats means that they should have a say in Swedish politics? The fact that they have seats at all reflects a failure on the previous ruling parties to solve the problems that led to them losing ground to the SD?

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;46630072]Also one of the most progressive countries with amazing social security, healthcare, education, and basically one of the best countries on earth by almost all metrics. But nah, haven for immigrants. These guys have to go. [editline]3rd December 2014[/editline] Yeah no that's a bad idea. Coalitions are better because they still agree on things together and there's discussion even within the ruling parties themselves so while it might feel like less gets done, there's far less space for unfair fuckup. Besides, America just spent like entire voting period in complete gridlock sooooo it obviously doesn't help that either.[/QUOTE] Their education? Not one of the best anymore, just look at the last Pisa results, they were below the USA. It was one of the best and was an example for many countries, but that's the past. Immigration is good, but regulated immigration is better. From what I read in other news posted on here they get so many immigrants and asylum seekers, it's just not sustainable to keep it like that

[QUOTE=Private Zoglow;46630249]I'd like to see Sweden today if it wasn't for M and Anders Borg etc sosseskap[/QUOTE] Hey, me too!

I never knew how many Swedes there were on here until this thread about Swedish politics came up. There's a fair number of Swedes here. Also I understand there's been significant backlash at the immigration policies in Sweden, if one party is pledging to cut down on that, I can see why the people pissed at immigrants would want to vote for them.

[QUOTE=Firewarrior;46630293]Their education? Not one of the best anymore, just look at the last Pisa results, they were below the USA. It was one of the best and was an example for many countries, but that's the past. Immigration is good, but regulated immigration is better. From what I read in other news posted on here they get so many immigrants and asylum seekers, it's just not sustainable to keep it like that[/QUOTE] I won't call PISA tests useless, but they're definitely not the be-all end-all.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;46630442]I won't call PISA tests useless, but they're definitely not the be-all end-all.[/QUOTE] Yes, you are right, but if your country used to be among the best and then sees a sharp drop in just a few years, then it's obvious that something is wrong

[QUOTE=Awesomecaek;46630072]Also one of the most progressive countries with amazing social security, healthcare, education, and basically one of the best countries on earth by almost all metrics. [/QUOTE] Sweden is literally heaven haven't you heard

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;46630442]I won't call PISA tests useless, but they're definitely not the be-all end-all.[/QUOTE] The Swedish school politics debate before the last election in September was completely dominated by the PISA results. The opposition (current government) made it sound like the Swedish school was in smoldering ruins.

[QUOTE=Private Zoglow;46630249]I'd like to see Sweden today if it wasn't for M and Anders Borg etc sosseskap[/QUOTE] That the alliance did OK during the recession does not mean the left wouldn't have done well too. We had a social democratic government in Norway for the last 8 years and we did at the very least just as well as you.

[QUOTE=Private Zoglow;46630249]I'd like to see Sweden today if it wasn't for M and Anders Borg etc sosseskap[/QUOTE] You're aware the nation you live in was built by a democratically elected S from like 1930-1970? What possible growth can you attribute to the right wing?

[QUOTE=Bird;46629276]Well if removing things that cost money helps the country I guess we should be grateful for not having a bloody budget.[/QUOTE] Umm, we have one. The oppositions' budget won, thus it's the budget that is going to be used.

Can this please happen in Norway too? I'm tired of our shit conservative government already.

[QUOTE=G-Strogg;46631300]You're aware the nation you live in was built by a democratically elected S from like 1930-1970? What possible growth can you attribute to the right wing?[/QUOTE] Modern growth?

The re-election will only strengthen SD (Sweden democrats) since it got many new supporters from both the right wing and left wing parties in the latest election.

[QUOTE=LarparNar;46631268]That the alliance did OK during the recession does not mean the left wouldn't have done well too. We had a social democratic government in Norway for the last 8 years and we did at the very least just as well as you.[/QUOTE] You have oil-money though, so I don't know if it counts.

Löfven's government has been a train wreck waiting to happen since the very beginning. I hope it will lead to more people voting M.

[QUOTE=Stopper;46632428]You have oil-money though, so I don't know if it counts.[/QUOTE] We barely use the oil money, it is mostly invested.

[QUOTE=UnknownDude;46631816]Can this please happen in Norway too? I'm tired of our shit conservative government already.[/QUOTE] Amen. Swap em out with AP.

Sure is sosse in this thread

Heil Svergie demokraterna

[QUOTE=MoonlessNight;46635985]Sure is sosse in this thread[/QUOTE] Even one moderate is too many [editline]4th December 2014[/editline] I honestly feel every single fucking party we have right now are retarded, but the left are definitively the lesser of two evils [editline]4th December 2014[/editline] it's like having to choose between isis or andy dick to host your party

Having new elections because the current government can't agree to do their jobs? Is that what's happening? We need that here in the US.

I'm not expert on swedish politics, but it seems that after a quick lookup, sd supporters look like idiots. Go the swedish left i guess.

[QUOTE=Black;46635554]Amen. Swap em out with AP.[/QUOTE] I'm very tired of people switching from one party to another when they don't get what they want. If AP has been running for a while, people want lower taxes. When conservatives get power, people react on budget cuts and switch to AP. It's an endless loop and I'd love to see some changes. I'm really hoping that Sweden won't end up in the same loop as we've been experiencing for the past decades.

[QUOTE=ejonkou;46632689]Löfven's government has been a train wreck waiting to happen since the very beginning. I hope it will lead to more people voting M.[/QUOTE] Hasn't it only been in government for 3 months? If the moderates don't want to make a deal with them, they'll have to make one with SD, and nobody is going to touch that shit. Social demokraterna haven't fucked up, they just had a really shaky foundation for government.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;46636446]Hasn't it only been in government for 3 months? If the moderates don't want to make a deal with them, they'll have to make one with SD, and nobody is going to touch that shit. Social demokraterna haven't fucked up, they just had a really shaky foundation for government.[/QUOTE] Tbh it's the responsibility of the prime minister and his government to get their budget through the parliament, no matter who it is. You can't expect the opposition to betray their voters and just let the budget slip by. Löfven fucked up.

[QUOTE=Lurker;46632248]The re-election will only strengthen SD (Sweden democrats) since it got many new supporters from both the right wing and left wing parties in the latest election.[/QUOTE] Not necessarily. Sverigedemokraterna (SD) got a portion of their votes from Moderaterna (M) and Socialdemokraterna (S), and vice versa with both parties [url]http://pejl.svt.se/val2014/valu-riksdag/valjarstrommar[/url] (with reservation for errors). For the election people are going to vote strategically in hopes of putting an end to this situation. SD might lose the votes of people who previously voted for S or M, in order to get the government back and running. Same goes for other smaller parties whose voters recognise that their party won't have any major influence in the overall politics. F! for example might lose voters to S. The party leader is very important for the SD voters (([url]http://pejl.svt.se/val2014/valu-riksdag/partiledarnas-betydelse[/url]), and Jimmie is currently on sick leave (or whatever you want to call it) with no set date on which he will return. SD might decline while he is gone. The opposite can also happen of course, SD could get more support from any of the parties. Though both the current Alliansen (M, C, FP, KD (a party constellation with M as the majority party)) and the government parties (S, MP (Miljöpartiet de gröna, with S as majority party)) refuse to collaborate with SD, so increasing support with SD won't change the situation - if I understand it correctly, please tell me if I'm mislead - unless one of the two happen: a. SD become a majority goverment (which is very unlikely in todays political landscape) b. either the government parties or Alliansen starts actively collaborating with SD. I'm really just speculating, it can go either way. I just think that saying "this will only strenghten this and that party" is jumping the gun. A lot can happen from now to March.

[QUOTE=Meniketti21;46629106]Just hoping that either "Alliansen" and the Social Democrat Party, the Green Party and the Left Party can compromise so that the Swedish Democrats (far-right, anti immigration, many of their politicians have expressed racist thoughts publicly) don't get a say in anything. If they get a say in the Swedish politics, it will be the beginning of the end of Sweden. It will ruin Sweden.[/QUOTE] Uh.. how?

[QUOTE=Chili Banan;46636770] I'm really just speculating, it can go either way. I just think that saying "this will only strenghten this and that party" is jumping the gun. A lot can happen from now to March.[/QUOTE] Most likely what will happen is that M will gain a slight majority, and SD gets a bump of a few percents, as people see that they can and will fight for their voters. Most likely, with the shift of party leader for M, they will be more open to work with SD. I have also heard quite a few say the new party leader for SD is quite a bit more energetic than Jimmie was. Though, we will see.