Yasiin Bey (aka Mos Def) force-fed under standard Guantánamo Bay procedure with brutal demonstration - Polidicks

Now I don't support Guantanamo or how they treat their prisoners bit isn't this form of feeding relatively painless? I thought it was a standard practice on hospitals. Unless I'm wrong it seems like he's acting it up.

Makes me feel uncomfortable. This surely looks wicked and while I think it's not that of a big deal during controlled scenarios it surely turns out to be stressful if you struggle around.

Good to see good old fashioned shock propaganda is still alive and kicking. Don't get me wrong, I strongly approve of the goal they're trying to achieve and think that guantanamo should be shut down, pulled to the ground and the earth salted and definately doing something to a person against their will is morally wrong. But the procedure sure as fuck isn't "torture" like the video tries to make it out to be. I've literally seen a mom do this on her 12-year old and he barely even blinked.

[QUOTE=Virtanen;41376877]Good to see good old fashioned shock propaganda is still alive and kicking. Don't get me wrong, I strongly approve of the goal they're trying to achieve and think that guantanamo should be shut down, pulled to the ground and the earth salted and definately doing something to a person against their will is morally wrong. But the procedure sure as fuck isn't "torture" like the video tries to make it out to be. I've literally seen a mom do this on her 12-year old and he barely even blinked.[/QUOTE] The procedure technically is depending on how it is done and why it is done. There is a huge difference between a person who is willing to have this done as a form of treatment and a person who is being forced against his will to do this and it takes between 2-hour to complete a procedure. The fact that the inmates/detainees have to go though this daily several times makes it a form of torture. Most people get it done and it stays in for a good amount of time. So you can't compare the two. I guess the other videos where people volunteer to do stuff that takes place LIKE WATERBOARDING is bullshit too right? [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LPubUCJv58[/media] But you know what, if a 12-year old can handle it that makes it okay right?

hahaha, this shit is *so* staged it's unbelieveable *forcefully* inserting a feeding tube into someone seems like an awfully painful process though - it's not a problem if you relax and shit when they took mine out after 3 days because of a throat surgery i had, i only felt a slight burn in my nose from stomach acids that came out with the tube - it smelled like throwing up a bit - the feeding tube made me gag a few times during those 3 days, especially when looking down (i was allowed to run around with this thing still in my nose, i had to loop it around my neck because it was so long :v:)

For a second there I thought Mos Def was in Guantanamo for some reason

[QUOTE=MR-X;41376941]The procedure technically is depending on how it is done and why it is done. There is a huge difference between a person who is willing to have this done as a form of treatment and a person who is being forced against his will to do this and it takes between 2-hour to complete a procedure. The fact that the inmates/detainees have to go though this daily several times makes it a form of torture. Most people get it done and it stays in for a good amount of time. So you can't compare the two. I guess the other videos where people volunteer to do stuff that takes place LIKE WATERBOARDING is bullshit too right? [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LPubUCJv58[/media] But you know what, if a 12-year old can handle it that makes it okay right?[/QUOTE] fuck the feeling of drowning..imagine if they played the sonic drowning music in the background

[QUOTE=DrogenViech;41377053]hahaha, this shit is *so* staged it's unbelieveable *forcefully* inserting a feeding tube into someone seems like an awfully painful process though - it's not a problem if you relax and shit when they took mine out after 3 days because of a throat surgery i had, i only felt a slight burn in my nose from stomach acids that came out with the tube - it smelled like throwing up a bit - the feeding tube made me gag a few times during those 3 days, especially when looking down (i was allowed to run around with this thing still in my nose, i had to loop it around my neck because it was so long :v:)[/QUOTE] Again, huge difference between wanting to get it done and being forced. Usually people who are forced they struggle and it makes things more painful. What part of that do you people not understand. It is a pretty easy concept to understand, but people are having issues comprehending this. What I find saddening is the fact that there are people that think what is going on in gitmo is okay. I worked in law enforcement and plan on going back in, if shit like this was ever done on a citizen the public would have a shit storm. A lot of people went nuts when a dog attacked the cop and the dog died as a result and wanted that cops fucking head. But when shit like this is brought up it barely gets 2-3 pages of responses and you got more people then not saying it is okay and trying to compare it to some bullshit. These people are being held without charges, they're being held with out any type of evidence of terrorist activity.

I lack the words to describe how I felt watching this. I know it might be staged and I know he is a performer in real life, but I just have to say it moved me. Is it so difficult to realize this kind of treatment only breeds more terrorism and violence? Everyone quoting their own experiences: The procedure done in the hospital and this are two different things. That is why this is called "force feeding". When you force a tube down an orifice of someone who is struggling things are going to get painful and messy very quickly. [editline]9th July 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=ilikecorn;41376462]You could supply the nutritional needs through IV for a few days, but thr solution to use isn't exactly healthy, and is ment for short time use only, for long term you must use an NG tube. [editline]9th July 2013[/editline] Having had it done to me, it's not that painful. Granted resisting it makes it worse, but its more weird than painful.[/QUOTE] NG tubes are not long term solutions, they are only used in hospitals (so not at caring facilities for example) with trained medical professionals around and even then for a limited amount of time. If someone is unable to receive oral nutrition after that another route of access is (surgically) opened that links to the stomach for more long term enteral feeding.

FFS its not the fact anyone agrees with it, its that him making a performance out of it is deceptive and manipulative, even if its made with the best intentions in mind. It is not anywhere near that painful and I'm quite sure there are about a few hundred nurses and doctors around the world having a good giggle at this.

[QUOTE=jaegerisacunt;41377961]FFS its not the fact anyone agrees with it, its that him making a performance out of it is deceptive and manipulative, even if its made with the best intentions in mind. It is not anywhere near that painful and I'm quite sure there are about a few hundred nurses and doctors around the world having a good giggle at this.[/QUOTE] What part of [I]force[/I] feeding are you having difficulty with understanding? This is not a medical procedure done in a hospital where the patient might feel discomfort but actually wants it to be done, this is forcing a tube down someone who is willingly starving himself and is resisting all attempts. Of course it will be painful, awkward and horrible.

[QUOTE=Fetret;41378050]What part of [I]force[/I] feeding are you having difficulty with understanding? This is not a medical procedure done in a hospital where the patient might feel discomfort but actually wants it to be done, this is forcing a tube down someone who is willingly starving himself and is resisting all attempts. Of course it will be painful, awkward and horrible.[/QUOTE] Hmm lets see the part where I already told you this isn't THAT painful, the part where its kind of hard to actively resist anything when your limbs and head are held in place, the part where you dont even fucking know if the prisoners are sedated before the procedure is done or not. Give me a fucking break, he (mos def) and their film crew dramatizing it to get people acting out against it. Not a bad goal, but how they go about it is manipulative.

[QUOTE=jaegerisacunt;41378108]Hmm lets see the part where I already told you this isn't THAT painful, the part where its kind of hard to actively resist anything when your limbs and head are held in place, the part where you dont even fucking know if the prisoners are sedated before the procedure is done or not. Give me a fucking break, he (mos def) and their film crew dramatizing it to get people acting out against it. Not a bad goal, but how they go about it is manipulative.[/QUOTE] How the hell do you know how not painful it is? This is a plastic tube that is being fed into your nose while you are trying with all your might to not let them. And you can restrain someone as much as you want, there still will be struggle room and when there is a tube down your nose any movement can be painful. If they are being sedated beforehand it opens up a whole new can of worms, although I'm sure we are way past the point of legality or even humanity, actively sedating prisoners before submitting them to procedures is a whole new kind of disgusting act. And I did say in the last page that I didn't know whether he is acting or dramatizing, but it doesn't matter, the main problem is there are people out there in the world who are unlawfully detained, forcibly restrained and have tubes shoved down their noses just because they have the audacity to attempt to escape detention through suicide, all done by a developed first world democracy.

[QUOTE=Fetret;41378180]How the hell do you know how not painful it is? This is a plastic tube that is being fed into your nose while you are trying with all your might to not let them. And you can restrain someone as much as you want, there still will be struggle room and when there is a tube down your nose any movement can be painful. If they are being sedated beforehand it opens up a whole new can of worms, although I'm sure we are way past the point of legality or even humanity, actively sedating prisoners before submitting them to procedures is a whole new kind of disgusting act. And I did say in the last page that I didn't know whether he is acting or dramatizing, but it doesn't matter, the main problem is there are people out there in the world who are unlawfully detained, forcibly restrained and have tubes shoved down their noses just because they have the audacity to attempt to escape detention through suicide.[/QUOTE] Because I've had the procedure done. I'm speaking from personal experience, you're speaking out your ass. And no, once the tube is inside, its not painful. There was no wiggle room, you can see that in the video yourself. The point being, the act alone should be enough for people to act out against it. But if you're fine with people toying with other people's perceptions and dramatizing stuff just to galvanize them into action, w/e I guess, but to me, its manipulative.

[QUOTE=jaegerisacunt;41377961]FFS its not the fact anyone agrees with it, its that him making a performance out of it is deceptive and manipulative, even if its made with the best intentions in mind. It is not anywhere near that painful and I'm quite sure there are about a few hundred nurses and doctors around the world having a good giggle at this.[/QUOTE] just having a breathing tube installed is incredibly uncomfortable. force feeding looks like it would be significantly more painful.

Hopefully this occurrence with Mos Def will help the US gov do some [b]mathematics[/b] and put 2 and 2 togeather

[QUOTE=Elfy;41378241]Hopefully this occurrence with Mos Def will help the US gov do some [b]mathematics[/b] and put 2 and 2 togeather[/QUOTE] it's a numbers game but shit don't add up somehow

[QUOTE=jaegerisacunt;41378238]Because I've had the procedure done. I'm speaking from personal experience, you're speaking out your ass. And no, once the tube is inside, its not painful. There was no wiggle room, you can see that in the video yourself. The point being, the act alone should be enough for people to act out against it. But if you're fine with people toying with other people's perceptions and dramatizing stuff just to galvanize them into action, w/e I guess, but to me, its manipulative.[/QUOTE] Have you been forcibly fed? As in strapped to a chair when you were on a hunger strike and a tube was forced into your nose even when you did not want to? Or did you undergo an operation that required you to have a tube inserted for breathing or feeding? If it is the former, then you are braver than I am and I really hope you never have to undergo such a procedure ever again and I sincerely hope you are fine physically and emotionally. If it is the latter then I hope you have the capacity to understand why two are completely different. And did we watch the same video? How can you say there is no wiggle room when you can clearly see him moving his head around trying to avoid the tube all the time? I think you didn't watch the video in the first place. Finally, I agree it is sensationalist, whether it is real or not, but whatever shocks people into action is a good thing in my book.