Israel: "Iran closer than ever to nuclear bomb" - threatens to strike them soon - Polidicks

I bet NK and Iran can come up with some evil plan to defeat US, It's happening guys!!

Why is everyone so against Israel? (Just want your opinions) Personally, I believe Israel has a right to defend itself as any nation does, but sometimes they do cross the line. Since there is a new Iranian president, there is high hopes for Iran becoming a more US-Friendly nation. Israel should seriously wait or just cancel any "strikes" against Iran for the time being, but I can understand their worries. Literally every nation around them wants to wipe them off the face of the Earth

[QUOTE=Squad1993;41467656]Why is everyone so against Israel? (Just want your opinions) Personally, I believe Israel has a right to defend itself as any nation does, but sometimes they do cross the line. Since there is a new Iranian president, there is high hopes for Iran becoming a more US-Friendly nation. Israel should seriously wait or just cancel any "strikes" against Iran for the time being, but I can understand their worries. Literally every nation around them wants to wipe them off the face of the Earth[/QUOTE] Just because Israel launches unprovoked offensives, expands settlements and ethnically cleanses Palestinians under the false pretense of "the right to defend itself" does not make it so. [quote][B][I]Literally [/I][/B]every nation around them wants to wipe them off the face of the Earth[/quote] The '70s called. They want you back. If you look at Jordan, a bordering nation you'd find out they're allies with Israel. If you go further to Saudi Arabia or the Gulf, you'll see the same, even with Saudi-sanction Mossad presences in the Kingdom and plans to allow an air corridor for Israel to strike Iran. [editline]15th July 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Craigewan;41467338]I don't know, speaking as a scientist, if I got killed, it would take people a fairly long time to work out what I was doing in some of my work, and that's even with me being pretty anal about keeping good lab books. I can only imagine how much more that is true for something like Iran feeling it's way through a Nuclear program without many people willing to spot them aid. I think you trivialise the role of specialists a little too much. And more importantly, this is just the shit we know about. These kind of operations aren't clandestine for nothing.[/QUOTE] A physician's death is not going to push their nuclear program back by 20 years.

holy shit, people, get over yourselves. Stop circlejerking about your hatred for Israel for just 2 seconds, and realize they have a legitimate point about Iran.

slayer64: where Israel claiming Iran is going to develop a nuke 'in one year' for 20+ years is a "legitimate point"

[QUOTE=Squad1993;41467656]Why is everyone so against Israel? (Just want your opinions) Personally, I believe Israel has a right to defend itself as any nation does, but sometimes they do cross the line. Since there is a new Iranian president, there is high hopes for Iran becoming a more US-Friendly nation. Israel should seriously wait or just cancel any "strikes" against Iran for the time being, but I can understand their worries. Literally every nation around them wants to wipe them off the face of the Earth[/QUOTE] Israel goes way beyond defending themselves, they're aggressively expanding and their military seem to have very itchy trigger fingers. [editline]15th July 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=slayer64;41467728]holy shit, people, get over yourselves. Stop circlejerking about your hatred for Israel for just 2 seconds, and realize they have a legitimate point about Iran.[/QUOTE] If Israel and Pakistan can be trusted with nukes, so can Iran, as I said before the deterrence might even lead to more peace in the middle east.

[QUOTE=Rents;41467799]Israel goes way beyond defending themselves, they're aggressively expanding and their military seem to have very itchy trigger fingers. [editline]15th July 2013[/editline] If Israel and Pakistan can be trusted with nukes, so can Iran, as I said before the deterrence might even lead to more peace in the middle east.[/QUOTE] Not when the country is controlled by Islamists who are extremely Anti-West/America. You mean to tell me that you honestly believe that Iran won't sell WMDs to terrorist organizations or other hostile nations? As much as I would like for Iran to be friendly, it isn't the case right now, so caution must be taken. Now, an attack on the facility is pushing it, but whatever man, if Israel wants to have more shit thrown at them, then be my guest.

[QUOTE=Squad1993;41467868]You mean to tell me that you honestly believe that Iran won't sell WMDs to terrorist organizations or other hostile nations?[/QUOTE] Yes. You do realise that is purely a hollywood thriller trope. Every nuclear weapon has a isotope thumbprint. Its not difficult to determine where the fissionable material was sourced. Also why would Iran sell nuclear weapons in the first place? Apart from being Islamist, and rather understandably anti-west.

[QUOTE=Squad1993;41467868]Not when the country is controlled by Islamists who are extremely Anti-West/America. You mean to tell me that you honestly believe that Iran won't sell WMDs to terrorist organizations or other hostile nations? As much as I would like for Iran to be friendly, it isn't the case right now, so caution must be taken. Now, an attack on the facility is pushing it, but whatever man, if Israel wants to have more shit thrown at them, then be my guest.[/QUOTE] Their government won't sell or use a nuclear weapon, because nuclear weapons are some serious fucking shit, and nearly every other country in the world is going to put making you gone high on their to-do list if you did. That's the point in having them, they're used to make sure no one wants to push you into desperation where you have nothing to lose, they're a strictly defensive weapon because using them is suicide.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;41467928]Yes. You do realise that is purely a hollywood thriller trope. Every nuclear weapon has a isotope thumbprint. Its not difficult to determine where the fissionable material was sourced. Also why would Iran sell nuclear weapons in the first place? Apart from being Islamist, and rather understandably anti-west.[/QUOTE] Dude who knows. If they can make a WMD, God knows what they'd do with it. Give it to NK, al-qaeda, or whoever. I was giving worst case scenario. Best case is they just develop Nuclear energy and avoid weapons all together, as every nation should, my country especially. (i r ashamed)

[QUOTE=TheTalon;41465924]Having two countries, with radical islamists running around all willy nilly, armed with nuclear weapons is bad enough, I'd prefer Iran not have them, also[/QUOTE] As opposed to radical jews having them, right?

[QUOTE=Squad1993;41467970]Dude who knows. If they can make a WMD, God knows what they'd do with it. Give it to NK, al-qaeda, or whoever. I was giving worst case scenario.[/QUOTE] But why would you say this? Especially when there will be a big isotope trail back to Iran after this supposed tom clancy terrorist attack.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;41468004]But why would you say this? Especially when there will be a big isotope trail back to Iran after this supposed tom clancy terrorist attack.[/QUOTE] Personal fears/opinions My opinions with the ME are not popular.

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Israel says such stupid shit sometimes. I've always wondered how our relations with the middle wast would have been if we stopped supporting Israel or if the country never existed. Maybe a lot of these bombings and wars would have not happened? [editline]15th July 2013[/editline] "middle wast"

[QUOTE=Squad1993;41467656]Why is everyone so against Israel? (Just want your opinions) Personally, I believe Israel has a right to defend itself as any nation does, but sometimes they do cross the line. Since there is a new Iranian president, there is high hopes for Iran becoming a more US-Friendly nation. Israel should seriously wait or just cancel any "strikes" against Iran for the time being, but I can understand their worries. Literally every nation around them wants to wipe them off the face of the Earth[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=slayer64;41467728]holy shit, people, get over yourselves. Stop circlejerking about your hatred for Israel for just 2 seconds, and realize they have a legitimate point about Iran.[/QUOTE] Shill harder.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;41467754]slayer64: where Israel claiming Iran is going to develop a nuke 'in one year' for 20+ years is a "legitimate point"[/QUOTE] Yup, so fuckin' sue me. Point is, Iran has the potential to become a serious threat, so stop treating Israel like the worst country on earth.

[QUOTE=slayer64;41474674]Yup, so fuckin' sue me. Point is, Iran has the potential to become a serious threat, so stop treating Israel like the worst country on earth.[/QUOTE] And Iran wouldn't actively seek to become a threat if they weren't being fucking bullied all the goddamn time.

[QUOTE=Eudoxia;41471621]Shill harder.[/QUOTE] Get the fuck out with your shill conspiracy bullshit.

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;41474693]And Iran wouldn't actively seek to become a threat if they weren't being fucking bullied all the goddamn time.[/QUOTE]I dont know, dude. Iran's pretty cool with some not-on-the-level guys, who are definitely friends with or hate the same people as some really fucked up groups. It wouldn't bee too hard for one group who has ties with another group who has ties with another group and so on to buy a nuclear weapon from Iran. Especially not when the end-user could (hypothetically) drum up enough funds to make it all work. I'm not saying that would happen or is going to happen, but it was a source of great concern when the Soviet Union collapsed, despite the papertrail and checks put in place to always know where those weapons are. Hell, the United States has lost nukes before, and if you've ever had any dealings with the federal government you know how unbelievably anal they can be. My grandpa explained it to me once, it's like the world has a handful of frogs: if you have too many, some will inevitably slip away. He then added there's about as much wisdom in carrying around a handful of frogs all day as there is in a nuclear arsenal. Of course, he had a unique perspective on the whole thing, considering that after WWII he spent his days cleaning up the remains of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

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[QUOTE=TheTalon;41465924]Having two countries, with radical islamists running around all willy nilly, armed with nuclear weapons is bad enough, I'd prefer Iran not have them, also[/QUOTE] And I'd prefer if you meddling americans didn't have them either.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;41467688]A physician's death is not going to push their nuclear program back by 20 years.[/QUOTE] Not unless Iran's nuclear physicists are also their doctors, no

If shit hits the fan and we all go to ashes, can I get a memorial title?

[QUOTE=Doozle;41465805]Why shouldn't Iran have nuclear weapons?[/QUOTE] They're toe-and-toe with Israel (Arab vs. Jews disputes in the Middle East) and America caters to Israel due to being the first developed nation to officially recognize them as an established nation. Israel doesn't trust Iran with nuclear weapons because Iran's last leader threatened to destroy Israel ("wipe them from the map") and Israel took him [I]very[/I] seriously. Iran has said, time and time again, that any nuclear advances they make are to be used purely for energy research and with peaceful intentions, but because of the Iranian leader's proclamation of destruction, that's hard to believe. IMO, either they [I]should[/I] have nuclear weapons, or [I]nobody else[/I] should have nuclear weapons.

[QUOTE=Quark:;41482334]IMO, either they [I]should[/I] have nuclear weapons, or [I]nobody else[/I] should have nuclear weapons.[/QUOTE] Yep.

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;41475410]I dont know, dude. Iran's pretty cool with some not-on-the-level guys, who are definitely friends with or hate the same people as some really fucked up groups. It wouldn't bee too hard for one group who has ties with another group who has ties with another group and so on to buy a nuclear weapon from Iran. Especially not when the end-user could (hypothetically) drum up enough funds to make it all work. I'm not saying that would happen or is going to happen, but it was a source of great concern when the Soviet Union collapsed, despite the papertrail and checks put in place to always know where those weapons are. Hell, the United States has lost nukes before, and if you've ever had any dealings with the federal government you know how unbelievably anal they can be. My grandpa explained it to me once, it's like the world has a handful of frogs: if you have too many, some will inevitably slip away. He then added there's about as much wisdom in carrying around a handful of frogs all day as there is in a nuclear arsenal. Of course, he had a unique perspective on the whole thing, considering that after WWII he spent his days cleaning up the remains of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.[/QUOTE] Iran's been constantly shit on by the west for the past hundred or so years. They have a monarch that's replaced with a different monarch so he'd be pro british, that pro british doesn't suit well with the american so they overthrow him and put in a new guy, then there's democracy and they don't like that and repeat. There's a reason they're distrustful of the west. [editline]16th July 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Quark:;41482334]They're toe-and-toe with Israel (Arab vs. Jews disputes in the Middle East) and America caters to Israel due to being the first developed nation to officially recognize them as an established nation. Israel doesn't trust Iran with nuclear weapons because Iran's last leader threatened to destroy Israel ("wipe them from the map") and Israel took him [I]very[/I] seriously. Iran has said, time and time again, that any nuclear advances they make are to be used purely for energy research and with peaceful intentions, but because of the Iranian leader's proclamation of destruction, that's hard to believe. IMO, either they [I]should[/I] have nuclear weapons, or [I]nobody else[/I] should have nuclear weapons.[/QUOTE] The thing is though, they're not toe-and-toe with Israel. Israel has largely made up the Iran is a threat ordeal. The thing about Iran is that it's really fucking far away from Israel. Through natural barriers, country upon country, and the fact that they couldn't get in by sea is a huge deal. It's as if Canada was saying that Mexico is a threat and should be dealt with since it conflicts with their safety.

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;41482422]Iran's been constantly shit on by the west for the past hundred or so years. They have a monarch that's replaced with a different monarch so he'd be pro british, that pro british doesn't suit well with the american so they overthrow him and put in a new guy, then there's democracy and they don't like that and repeat. There's a reason they're distrustful of the west.[/QUOTE]You could go back much further than that. Historically, Persia's greatest threats have come from the west more than any other direction.

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;41482471]You could go back much further than that. Historically, Persia's greatest threats have come from the west more than any other direction.[/QUOTE] Well, the Persia back then was a different thing. Since post medieval, yeah the west has been more of a threat.

[QUOTE=Quark:;41482334] Israel doesn't trust Iran with nuclear weapons because Iran's last leader threatened to destroy Israel ("wipe them from the map") and Israel took him very seriously.[/QUOTE] Is it worth mentioning that was a faulty translation? Heck, [url=http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/04/17/israeli-minister-agrees-ahmadinejad-never-said-israel-must-be-wiped-off-the-map/]even an Israel minister agrees they never actually said they wanted to wipe Israel from the map[/url]. It is a poor translation that has been trumpeted with false intentions.