Ron Paul to Speak at Holocaust Denier's 'Gala Dinner Fundraiser' - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Foreskin;42161272]Mainly the Einsatzgruppen photos and the image of the Jew that wrote "night" leaning on a piece of wood, but there are quite a few others out there as well that are blatantly doctored[/QUOTE] So, where did all those Jewish people in Poland vanish to?

[QUOTE='[sluggo];42161291']Were the corpses fake to? The millions of dead Jews?[/QUOTE] All the Jews just buried themselves in mass graves clearly. It's all part of their big zionist plan

[QUOTE=Foreskin;42161231]But most of the photographical evidence has been concluded to be doctored and the most evidence we truly have is a couple of old folks making claims about events that occurred in their childhoods. When you sit down and look at some of the images it's amazing how blatantly fake some of them are. [B]While I am not a revisionist myself, I believe they have some good points[/B][/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Foreskin;42161272]Mainly the Einsatzgruppen photos and the image of the Jew that wrote "night" leaning on a piece of wood, but there are quite a few others out there as well that are blatantly doctored[/QUOTE] You get permbanned for denying the holocaust or excessively seeking to "revise" it. Saying "Oh well I'm not a revisionist myself....but lemme argue against you anyways" is not gonna slide.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;42161320]You get permbanned for denying the holocaust or excessively seeking to "revise" it. Saying "Oh well I'm not a revisionist myself....but lemme argue against you anyways" is not gonna slide.[/QUOTE] You've ruined the fun now, it's been too long since I got to laugh at a holocaust denier

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;42161297]So, where did all those Jewish people in Poland vanish to?[/QUOTE] They left to seize control of the world media and form the Illuminati. Grand conspiracy.

[QUOTE=Foreskin;42161178]I disagree.[/QUOTE] There's this nifty thing called a ratings system, I suggest you try it instead of making posts that are literally the attention-seeking equivalent of a rating.

I still want Ron Paul my president

[QUOTE=Foreskin;42161138]The correct term is revisionist, "holocaust denier" sounds dumb as fuck too.[/QUOTE] Holocaust deniers are people who deny it ever happened, despite mountains of evidence that prove otherwise. Holocaust revisionists, while usually people who try to alter the retelling of events to suit their own agenda, can also be people who have a scholarly interest and only want to get the most accurate account of the event out there. They don't say it didn't happen, but have the opinion or evidence that some things may have happened differently than commonly believed, or have evidence contrary to what is currently considered an accurate history of the event. And yet, for some reason, the Holocaust is totally off-limits to historical revisionism or even honest inquiry while pretty much any other event in human history (including genocides that come close to rivalling the holocaust or flatout outdoing it) are wide open for any scholar to revise provided they have evidence and hard fact to back it up. Why is it so important that no one is allowed to question the events surrounding it, or even suggest that the current historical records of the holocaust might not be complete or entirely accurate? Why do people have such a stick up their ass about people even remotely hinting that they might be 'questioning'? Wanting historical accuracy and basic standards of research and fact checking does NOT make one an anti-semite, or anti-anyone for that matter. If anything, not striving for the most accurate account of history, and not even making an attempt to teach students or otherwise to understand the events surrounding it beyond 'The Nazis were assholes and those poor, poor Jewish people were murderdeathkilled, end of discussion', does a disservice to the people that died and suffered through it.

[QUOTE=Kuro.;42161743]Holocaust revisionists, while usually people who try to alter the retelling of events to suit their own agenda, can also be people who have a scholarly interest and only want to get the most accurate account of the event out there. They don't say it didn't happen, but have the opinion or evidence that some things may have happened differently than commonly believed, or have evidence contrary to what is currently considered an accurate history of the event.[/QUOTE] Such as? These laws are aimed at denialists. I'm pretty sure no legitimate historian has been prosecuted for researching the holocaust and suggesting something based on evidence.

Some have had their research censored, edited, or have been stonewalled in their efforts to research certain sites over the years. Granted, a lot of 'researchers' turn out to be deniers in drag, but the fact that attempts at research have been stymied at all raises red flags for a lot of people.

[QUOTE=Kuro.;42161843]Some have had their research censored, edited, or have been stonewalled in their efforts to research certain sites over the years. Granted, a lot of 'researchers' turn out to be deniers in drag, but the fact that attempts at research have been stymied at all raises red flags for a lot of people.[/QUOTE] Such as?

[QUOTE=Foreskin;42161231]But most of the photographical evidence has been concluded to be doctored and the most evidence we truly have is a couple of old folks making claims about events that occurred in their childhoods. When you sit down and look at some of the images it's amazing how blatantly fake some of them are. While I am not a revisionist myself, I believe they have some good points[/QUOTE]The Internet has a bad habit of photoshopping pictures, but it has an even worse record of detecting them, if at all.

I want to know the exact process that makes people deny these things, Except ignorance stupidity and antisemitism there has to be something else right? I guess it would be a lot easier for people to deny the holocaust if they weren't involved with it...

[QUOTE=Bradyns;42160708]That's about as low as attending a KKK meeting..[/QUOTE] My old American history professor once went to a KKK meetup to write a paper on them. He said they threatened him to write good things and that it was terrifying. He also worked the fields with some Amish folk. Interesting guy.

[QUOTE=Foreskin;42161259]The historical community already has information regarding all of this, it's hardly a revelation[/QUOTE] As a history major uni graduate, I can say that you're making stuff up.

[QUOTE=Shreddinger;42162455]I want to know the exact process that makes people deny these things, Except ignorance stupidity and antisemitism there has to be something else right? I guess it would be a lot easier for people to deny the holocaust if they weren't involved with it...[/QUOTE] For some, it sounds too ridiculous and unbelievable to have actually happened, or exaggerated out the ass so a whole religion could play the victim card for profit and personal gain. Then they find out it actually did happen, but they're all like "nah, still not buying it, it's obviously the jews making shit up to bilk sympathy money out of everyone, the tricksters' and it's just an endless loop of denial. Trying to prove the Holocaust happened to a denier is like trying to prove to an evangelical Christian that evolution is real.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcXrKnaaJA0[/media] The Zionist press/media started fabricating the jewish holocaust delusion decades before it actually happened. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Antisemeitism" - Starpluck))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=Tengil;42165477][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcXrKnaaJA0[/media] The Zionist press/media started fabricating the jewish holocaust delusion decades before it actually happened.[/QUOTE]Not sure whether to rate funny or dumb.

[QUOTE=N0 WAR;42163432]As a history major uni graduate, I can say that you're making stuff up.[/QUOTE] It doesn't take an expert to know he's batshit insane :v:

[QUOTE=Starpluck;42161320]You get permbanned for denying the holocaust or excessively seeking to "revise" it. Saying "Oh well I'm not a revisionist myself....but lemme argue against you anyways" is not gonna slide.[/QUOTE] If someone says [URL="http://www.snopes.com/rumors/photos/tourist.asp"]this[/URL] photo is fake is he gonna get perma'd for denying 9/11? I think there's a pretty big difference between questioning the validity of photos and denying the Holocaust ever happened. Foreskin seems naive or at worst a little deluded, not a hardcore neo-Nazi Holocaust denier just because he (completely incorrectly) believes the evidence is weak. On-topic, it's no surprise to me that Ron Paul is doing this, he's always been a bit lax about who he associates with.

[QUOTE=Sgt Doom;42165585]Not sure whether to rate funny or dumb.[/QUOTE] I think this guy is serious.

[QUOTE=mark6789;42161540]I still want Ron Paul my president[/QUOTE] I would too, if I wanted a government that not only was incompetent but completely failed to function [editline]12th September 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Tengil;42165477][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NcXrKnaaJA0[/media] The Zionist press/media started fabricating the jewish holocaust delusion decades before it actually happened.[/QUOTE] You're always good for a laugh mate

[QUOTE=catbarf;42165655]If someone says [URL="http://www.snopes.com/rumors/photos/tourist.asp"]this[/URL] photo is fake is he gonna get perma'd for denying 9/11?[/QUOTE] If you say "9/11 never actually happened; the WTC is still up and the passengers are hidden somewhere in South America" then yeah you'd be permabanned for being so goddamn dumb. I don't care if your interpretation of the events leading to 9/11 is different.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;42166042]I don't care if your interpretation of the events leading to 9/11 is different.[/QUOTE] So questioning details and evidence is acceptable as long as it's not overt denial, right?

[QUOTE=catbarf;42166057]So questioning details and evidence is acceptable as long as it's not overt denial, right?[/QUOTE] There's a really big difference between saying that 9/11 was staged and denying 9/11 happened.

[QUOTE=catbarf;42166057]So questioning details and evidence is acceptable as long as it's not overt denial, right?[/QUOTE] You can deny the official story of how 9/11 really went down.

[QUOTE=catbarf;42166057]So questioning details and evidence is acceptable as long as it's not overt denial, right?[/QUOTE]We've had plenty of people (and still do) who think the government did 9/11, and they didn't get banned. [editline]12th September 2013[/editline] At least, not for that.

Of course, denying the official version of events (especially if you don't understand physics and claim the way the towers fell was physically impossible) is no protection from being thought of as an idiot.

[QUOTE=Starpluck;42166077]You can deny the official story of how 9/11 really went down.[/QUOTE] Okay, I'm just trying to understand where you draw the line. If I said that the Holocaust happened but some photos were faked and some evidence is sketchy, I don't see how that's different from saying 9/11 happened but some reports were faked and some evidence is sketchy. But on the previous page you said the first is bannable, and now you're saying the second is fine. I'm just not seeing a meaningful difference between the two.

Holocaust denialism is for passive-aggressive Nazis.