Fucking helicopters.
Use them.
[editline]12:54PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Elexar;20491244]nearly a meter, that's a lot.[/QUOTE]
Fucking snowplows.
Use them too.
[editline]12:56PM[/editline]
And what's the goddamn problem, walking in three feets of snow?
We do that nearly every day (in the winter) when we go to school.
[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;20490290]Neither could the god damn ambulance.
Why is everyone blaming the ambulance? I live in New York and we got three feet of snow. We were in a State of Emergency for two days.
You can barely get through the snow in the road with a four-wheel-drive vehicle much less an ambulance and on a bridge no less.[/QUOTE]
I completely agree with you, there is no use trying to save someone when the lives of two paramedics is at risk. You all seem to be making out that it was a little snow, im assuming it was that thick than traversing the bridge in a car would be suicidal.
Its like the drowning child problem, why jump in and save the child when you cant swim? its better to lose one person than two. (three in this case)
I know that sounds harsh but its life.
[QUOTE=paul simon;20491258]Fucking helicopters.
Use them.[/QUOTE]
Might be too dangerous for a helicopter.[QUOTE=paul simon;20491258]Fucking snowplows.
Use them too.[/QUOTE]
This.
[QUOTE=paul simon;20491258]
Fucking snowplows.
Use them too.
[/QUOTE]
so true
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;20489170]They should murder whoever's at fault for this.[/QUOTE]
Fixed.
A man died because those fucking paramedics were lazy and didn't wanna get cold.
Technically the city should have vehicles for this purpose.
I don't live somewhere that gets very much snow that often, but the city keeps a stock of snow mobiles and ATV's for the purposes of reaching people in the event of emergencies.
Fire Stations usually have 4 wheel drive vehicles which can deliver paramedics to the location as well.
Why don't we equip our ambulances with hoses that shoot hot water? Though those paramedics were lazy and got a man killed because they didn't like the weather. :colbert:
[QUOTE=Mikesword221;20493297]Why don't we equip our ambulances with hoses that shoot hot water? Though those paramedics were lazy and got a man killed because they didn't like the weather. :colbert:[/QUOTE]
maybe the water will cool and eventually freeze.
In the 30 hours, not only did the paramedics fail to get to him, the snowplows failed to clear the streets? That's an epic fail on more than one part. Where the fuck were the plows?
Oh god, the last part is so sad...
[QUOTE]Shortly before 8 a.m. on Feb. 7, Edge made her last 911 call.
"I think my husband's dead. Oh God, oh God," she sobbed.
The 911 operator told Edge to calm down and asked for the address and phone number.
"I've been trying to get an ambulance here for three days. He's been having stomach pains," Edge said.
The operator talked Edge through a check to see if Mitchell was breathing. Try to get him onto the floor on his back, the operator said.
But Mitchell's body was cold. Edge couldn't wake him.
"Oh God, he can't leave me ... Curtis? Curtis?" Edge said, struggling to move him.
The operator assured Edge that paramedics were on the way.
"He's dead," Edge said.
"No, no, no. You're going to stay with me," the operator said, continuing the checks on Mitchell.
Finally, someone came to the door.
"Who is it?" asked Edge. "Is it the medics?"
"Yes."
"All right," said the operator. "You did a good job. I'm going to hang up now. Let them in. Good bye."
The snow had long since stopped falling. It took firefighters two minutes from being dispatched to reach the couple's home.
They checked for a pulse, but it was too late.
"They said he was gone," Edge said.
It would be five more hours before workers from the medical examiner's office came for Mitchell's body.
A police officer waited with her. Edge sat on the sofa with the body.
"I kissed and hugged him," she said of Mitchell. "But it was all I could do."[/QUOTE]
[img]http://fi.somethingawful.com/images/smilies/emot-crying.gif[/img]
[QUOTE=lintz;20489960]What the fuck. This is horrible. I've lost my faith in the emergency services. Ambulance crews are supposed to get to their subjects, by any means short of death. Heavy snow is not lethal. Those crews were being selfish, and in doing so, cost the world a life that could have been saved.[/QUOTE]
I am an EMT and that is a load of shit. The first thing we are taught in our training is your safety comes first, then that of your crew, then the safety of the patient.
For those of you saying the EMS crews should have walked to the house, try carrying an 80+ pound stretcher, EKG machine, oxygen tank, drug box, and jump bag through 22 inches of snow and see how far you get. If the roads hadn't been plowed how would you suggest they get there?
"All Pittsburgh EMS Chief Robert McCaughan said each time a call to 911 was placed, it was canceled by the Emergency Operations Center. ambulances where canceled before they could arrive on scene. It's not the crews fault they where canceled."
[url]http://www.ems1.com/ems-management/articles/761619-Pa-EMS-under-review-after-man-dies-waiting-for-ambulance/[/url]
"3 different ambulances. Each time the ambulance became stuck in the snow about 1/4 mile from the patient’s residence.
First call. Medic 5 was dispatched. The 911 call was placed at 02:09 02/06/2010. Canceled by the caller at 03:57 02/06/2010.
Second call. Medic 8 was dispatched. The 911 call was placed at 04:53 02/06/2010. Canceled by the caller at 06:23 02/06/2010.
Third call. Medic 7 was dispatched. The 911 call was placed at 11:18 02/06/2010. Canceled by dispatch at 21:31 02/06/2010.
How is being canceled behavior that deserves blame?
How are ambulances supposed to get to patients when the snow and ice makes the streets impassable for the ambulance and for the patient?
The medics never refused to transport Curtis Mitchell. The medics were canceled each time."
Jesus christ, I'm depressed right now and even I think this is much, much more sad than what I'm living through
This must be horrible for her girlfriend
Assholes.
Hope those paramedics feel like shit, they should.
[QUOTE=Rooster Assassin;20494202]Assholes.
Hope those paramedics feel like shit, they should.[/QUOTE]
Did you read the first post of this page?
I understand, even to save this mans life, it would be unreasonable for the paramedics to get to him on foot or drive to him, but there are plenty of more options. They should have called all the snow plows in the area to help, this was a mans life! Could have sent a helicopter in, there was so much they could have done, fucking get a snowmobile in there with ski patrol to get him out.
Was it that much of an inconvenience to save a man who was in horrible pain about to die?
Why would you wait for help for 30 HOURS and not figure out that help isn't coming and you're going to have to do something yourself.
[QUOTE=Dyson6;20495308]Why would you wait for help for 30 HOURS and not figure out that help isn't coming and you're going to have to do something yourself.[/QUOTE]
It's freezing cold outside, it's snowing heavily, the man can barely move on his own, they can't use a car because there is 22 inches of snow on the ground. They must be morons! :derp:
[QUOTE=rathat48;20495075]I understand, even to save this mans life, it would be unreasonable for the paramedics to get to him on foot or drive to him, but there are plenty of more options. They should have called all the snow plows in the area to help, this was a mans life! Could have sent a helicopter in, there was so much they could have done, fucking get a snowmobile in there with ski patrol to get him out.
Was it that much of an inconvenience to save a man who was in horrible pain about to die?[/QUOTE]
If they couldn't get an ambulance to the mans house how do you think they would have landed the helicopter? Those things need a large flat area to land, you can't just set them down anywhere. Also, helicopters don't fly in bad weather, and even if they did they are only used for trauma (at least where I live, not sure about where this took place). It wasn't the paramedic crews fault, it was the dispatchers who canceled them. All they knew was that they where canceled by the caller twice and once by there dispatcher.
Read the article and you will see that all of the 911 calls went to different dispatchers, no one knew they where related.
[QUOTE=Acesarge;20493893]I am an EMT and that is a load of shit. The first thing we are taught in our training is your safety comes first, then that of your crew, then the safety of the patient.
For those of you saying the EMS crews should have walked to the house, try carrying an 80+ pound stretcher, EKG machine, oxygen tank, drug box, and jump bag through 22 inches of snow and see how far you get. If the roads hadn't been plowed how would you suggest they get there?
"All Pittsburgh EMS Chief Robert McCaughan said each time a call to 911 was placed, it was canceled by the Emergency Operations Center. ambulances where canceled before they could arrive on scene. It's not the crews fault they where canceled."
[url]http://www.ems1.com/ems-management/articles/761619-Pa-EMS-under-review-after-man-dies-waiting-for-ambulance/[/url]
"3 different ambulances. Each time the ambulance became stuck in the snow about 1/4 mile from the patient’s residence.
First call. Medic 5 was dispatched. The 911 call was placed at 02:09 02/06/2010. Canceled by the caller at 03:57 02/06/2010.
Second call. Medic 8 was dispatched. The 911 call was placed at 04:53 02/06/2010. Canceled by the caller at 06:23 02/06/2010.
Third call. Medic 7 was dispatched. The 911 call was placed at 11:18 02/06/2010. Canceled by dispatch at 21:31 02/06/2010.
How is being canceled behavior that deserves blame?
How are ambulances supposed to get to patients when the snow and ice makes the streets impassable for the ambulance and for the patient?
The medics never refused to transport Curtis Mitchell. The medics were canceled each time."[/QUOTE]
Why does no one read this? Stop looking for a scape goat. He died, it's tragic and it shouldn't have happened but it was unavoidable. Why are we issuing death threats to the EMT's when it's no their fault to begin with?
[QUOTE=Acesarge;20493893]I am an EMT and that is a load of shit. The first thing we are taught in our training is your safety comes first, then that of your crew, then the safety of the patient.
For those of you saying the EMS crews should have walked to the house, try carrying an 80+ pound stretcher, EKG machine, oxygen tank, drug box, and jump bag through 22 inches of snow and see how far you get. If the roads hadn't been plowed how would you suggest they get there?
"All Pittsburgh EMS Chief Robert McCaughan said each time a call to 911 was placed, it was canceled by the Emergency Operations Center. ambulances where canceled before they could arrive on scene. It's not the crews fault they where canceled."
[url]http://www.ems1.com/ems-management/articles/761619-Pa-EMS-under-review-after-man-dies-waiting-for-ambulance/[/url]
"3 different ambulances. Each time the ambulance became stuck in the snow about 1/4 mile from the patient’s residence.
First call. Medic 5 was dispatched. The 911 call was placed at 02:09 02/06/2010. Canceled by the caller at 03:57 02/06/2010.
Second call. Medic 8 was dispatched. The 911 call was placed at 04:53 02/06/2010. Canceled by the caller at 06:23 02/06/2010.
Third call. Medic 7 was dispatched. The 911 call was placed at 11:18 02/06/2010. Canceled by dispatch at 21:31 02/06/2010.
How is being canceled behavior that deserves blame?
How are ambulances supposed to get to patients when the snow and ice makes the streets impassable for the ambulance and for the patient?
The medics never refused to transport Curtis Mitchell. The medics were canceled each time."[/QUOTE]
Fuck off your job is to save lives
GO AND FUCKING DO IT!!
[QUOTE=rathat48;20495075]I understand, even to save this mans life, it would be unreasonable for the paramedics to get to him on foot or drive to him, but there are plenty of more options. They should have called all the snow plows in the area to help, this was a mans life! Could have sent a helicopter in, there was so much they could have done, fucking get a snowmobile in there with ski patrol to get him out.
Was it that much of an inconvenience to save a man who was in horrible pain about to die?[/QUOTE]
I never knew Pennsylvania has Snow Mobiles for their EMT's and a Ski Patrol.
It's PA, not fucking Alaska. We don't normally get three feet of snow constantly for three days.
[editline]02:57PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=bravehat;20496166]Fuck off your job is to save lives
GO AND FUCKING DO IT!![/QUOTE]
That's extremely easy for someone who is safe, sound and warm in a home posting from a computer to say. But when your ambulance is stuck in three feet of snow at the end of a rail road bridge and your dispatcher is recalling you, you sort of have no choice but to turn around.
[editline]02:59PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Rooster Assassin;20494202]Assholes.
Hope those paramedics feel like shit, they should.[/QUOTE]
I don't even know how to go about this. I'm sure they feel terrible they couldn't get to him but it's unavoidable. You don't need to rub it in because you feel some sense of unrealistic moral injustice has been done.
[QUOTE=bravehat;20496166]Fuck off your job is to save lives
GO AND FUCKING DO IT!![/QUOTE]
Their safety still comes first
it's a fact of life
[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;20496203]
That's extremely easy for someone who is safe, sound and warm in a home posting from a computer to say. But when your ambulance is stuck in three feet of snow at the end of a rail road bridge and your dispatcher is recalling you, you sort of have no choice but to turn around..[/QUOTE]
Nah i'd rather wrap up and at least head to situation and see if they desperatly need help then call/contact the guy in the ambulance to bring whatever equipment is required.
If i was called out and told theres a guy in literal gut wrenching pain out there go and help him, i would do it even if i was recalled.
[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;20490743]Besides, if they couldn't get to the house, why didn't they try to contact someone with the correct equipment to clear a path? Our town has several plow trucks, the Police Department has a 4 wheel drive SUV with a plow attachment. If there is an emergency, they can get to it. I don't see why they didn't call a plow truck to clear a path to the home.[/QUOTE]
There wasn't a properly organized response. According to the article the only way to the home was across a bridge, chances were a plow could not clear it. I don't care if your truck has four wheel drive or not, three feet of snow will fuck you up, trust me. It's impossible to drive in a foot of snow, even with the plow trucks constantly running there was atleast a foot of snow on a road at any given time during the storm. That alone makes it nearly impossible to travel any distance.
[editline]03:03PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=bravehat;20496324]Nah i'd rather wrap up and at least head to situation and see if they desperatly need help then call/contact the guy in the ambulance to bring whatever equipment is required.
If i was called out and told theres a guy in literal gut wrenching pain out there go and help him, i would do it even if i was recalled.[/QUOTE]
Really? I some how doubt that. I really do.
[editline]03:04PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Mikesword221;20493297]Why don't we equip our ambulances with hoses that shoot hot water? Though those paramedics were lazy and got a man killed because they didn't like the weather. :colbert:[/QUOTE]
You have no idea how the world works. Ambulances with hoses to shoot hot water?
[editline]03:05PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Profanwolf;20490760]Three feet snow? Thats just pathetic.[/QUOTE]
For New York and PA. We don't normally get this much. Especially not for three days straight with wind and the whole nine yards.
[editline]03:06PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=GunFox;20493075]Technically the city should have vehicles for this purpose.
I don't live somewhere that gets very much snow that often, but the city keeps a stock of snow mobiles and ATV's for the purposes of reaching people in the event of emergencies.
Fire Stations usually have 4 wheel drive vehicles which can deliver paramedics to the location as well.[/QUOTE]
I think the fire station six miles from me has a ATV. But it'd be useless, the snow was too deep. Vehicles tend to have limitations when the snow is up to your waist.
Those paramedics need to learn the phrase "No man left behind"
It's there damn job to help people in need, if they can't even be assed to get out the ambulance to get him then they shouldn't even be allowed to keep there jobs.
[QUOTE=madmanmad;20496446]Those paramedics need to learn the phrase "No man left behind"
It's there damn job to help people in need, if they can't even be assed to get out the ambulance to get him then they shouldn't even be allowed to keep there jobs.[/QUOTE]
They're not soldiers. It's like asking a life guard to swim out to a boat during the hurricane, they're not going to put their own lives at stake if it's not reasonable. Life guards are volunteer, so are many EMT's. They don't get paid. Even so, they don't pay you to take risks like that. They recalled the ambulance, it's not like they had a choice.
Its three feet of snow.
Not a minefield, I'm sure they have jackets
[QUOTE=bravehat;20496606]Its three feet of snow.
Not a minefield, I'm sure they have jackets[/QUOTE]
:downs:
It was also snowing heavily. Visibility was probably very low. They most likely were not trained for rescue operations in that kind of weather.
[QUOTE=Identity;20489109]There were within walking distance of his house, yet they never got out of the ambulance to help him.[/QUOTE]
I call lawsuit.
Rest in piece, Curtis Mitchell, the 50-year-old former steelworker.
[QUOTE=hehe;20491404]I completely agree with you, there is no use trying to save someone when the lives of two paramedics is at risk. You all seem to be making out that it was a little snow, im assuming it was that thick than traversing the bridge in a car would be suicidal.
Its like the drowning child problem, why jump in and save the child when you cant swim? its better to lose one person than two. (three in this case)
I know that sounds harsh but its life.[/QUOTE]
You're a fucking para-medic your job is to save lives, I will gladly give up my life even in vain if it had the chance to save another, never mind if that was my job and my duty.
Don't be paramedic if you're not willing to risk it all for others, you're there to be a savior, not some selfish prick.
[editline]03:22PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;20496521]They're not soldiers. It's like asking a life guard to swim out to a boat during the hurricane, they're not going to put their own lives at stake if it's not reasonable. Life guards are volunteer, so are many EMT's. They don't get paid. Even so, they don't pay you to take risks like that. They recalled the ambulance, it's not like they had a choice.[/QUOTE]
No man left behind doesn't have to be military only.
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