Trump: Clinton Can't Protect LGBT Community While Importing Those Who Want To Oppress Them - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;50519221]Everything points to Mateen being a closeted homosexual struggling with his sexual identity, mental illness, and anger problems who eventually snapped and tried to put to rest his confusion and insecurities in a final horrifying declaration of "masculinity."[/QUOTE] I agree completely. It reminds me of the final scene in American beauty, sort of

it's funny how trump and trump supporters suddenly care [I]so much[/I] about LGBT rights, when by all accounts donald trump has been purely anti-LGBT for years, being against gay marriage and all in reality, it's a front from which to attack muslims, bare faced for everybody to see. his first comment after the shooting wasn't one of common human empathy, but rather a congratulations for himself. i shouldn't need to explain why that's so disgusting trump supporting communities have been [URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/4nt8ux/the_reaction_on_this_subreddit_to_the_orlando/d46pjk4"]rabidly homophobic[/URL] for a while now, liberally throwing around "faggot" becuase milo "i don't believe lesbians exist" yiannopoulos said it was okay, they are not a community which supports lgbt rights by any measure the fact that anybody can rationalise this opportunistic parody of a human being blows my mind, i can't wait for when he loses in november and i never have to hear about him again

[QUOTE=Flug;50519149]You're thinking of this as a racial problem when it's not. It's an ideological problem. In the same way that you should be reluctant in accepting immigrants from Nazi Germany, you should approach accepting immigrants from the Islamic world carefully.[/QUOTE] That just shifts the stupid logic to "ban an ideology"

[QUOTE=Streecer;50519243]it's funny how trump and trump supporters suddenly care [I]so much[/I] about LGBT rights, when by all accounts donald trump has been purely anti-LGBT for years, being against gay marriage and all in reality, it's a front from which to attack muslims, bare faced for everybody to see. his first comment after the shooting wasn't one of common human empathy, but rather a congratulations for himself. i shouldn't need to explain why that's so disgusting trump supporting communities have been [URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/The_Donald/comments/4nt8ux/the_reaction_on_this_subreddit_to_the_orlando/d46pjk4"]rabidly homophobic[/URL] for a while now, liberally throwing around "faggot" becuase milo "i don't believe lesbians exist" yiannopoulos said it was okay, they are not a community which supports lgbt rights by any measure the fact that anybody can rationalise this opportunistic parody of a human being blows my mind, i can't wait for when he loses in november and i never have to hear about him again[/QUOTE] Oh boy. First off, Reddit is not indicative of Trump's voter base. Second, use of the term "faggot" on r/the_donald is a protest against political correctness. It's not a serious insult, it's a matter of principle. Thirdly, how is Trump homophobic? I would say he is much more friendly to LGBT people than Hillary, who has a record of attacking marriage equality and only in the last couple years has started pandering to LGBT people.

it's an election year they're going to tell you anything you want to hear to get your vote. All about the votes

[QUOTE=Usernameztaken;50518740]What he says makes a decent amount of sense, as much as I hate to say it. Suspending immigration from the middle east temporarily until effective checks can be put into place to keep people who have violent histories from entering the country. It would've kept this shooter's father out of the country because of his links to the taliban, and it would possibly have even kept the men who were responsible 9/11 out of the country. If we have to suspend immigration for a few years to reform our immigration laws and systems to make it so that -known taliban supporters- can't enter the country, then so be it, imo.[/QUOTE] Considering the guy was already IN the country and was considered unstable by his co-workers and was abusive to his wife, why not focus on people who have violent histories within our own borders?

[QUOTE=Flug;50519287]Oh boy. First off, Reddit is not indicative of Trump's voter base.[/quote] A forum DEDICATED TO DONALD TRUMP isn't indicative of his voter base? Are you being real right now? Please explain this one to me. At least 45 people agreed with that comment by the way, possibly even more. [quote]Second, use of the term "faggot" on r/the_donald is a protest against political correctness. It's not a serious insult, it's a matter of principle.[/quote] Oh don't worry, our horribly offensive slur is just [I]sarcastic[/I]! I should have guessed. I have a feeling gay people feel a lot different about that. Hold up, let me call these 50 dead people faggots, it's totes cool though. It's not an insult by any means, despite that being it's literal and historical purpose as a slur against homosexuals. [quote]Thirdly, how is Trump homophobic? I would say he is much more friendly to LGBT people than Hillary, who has a record of attacking marriage equality and only in the last couple years has started pandering to LGBT people.[/QUOTE] He has gone on record to say that he would like to repeal gay marriage laws because he buys into the idea of the traditional family, one rooted deeply in ideas of homophobia and the family unit.

[QUOTE=1nfiniteseed;50519110]Remember that when he came to this country, the Taliban were still "the heroic Mujahideen freedom fighters" so praised by the Reagan administration.[/QUOTE] This. 30 years ago, the Taliban were the ones fighting off the invading Soviets.

[quote]Second, use of the term "faggot" on r/the_donald is a protest against political correctness. It's not a serious insult, it's a matter of principle.[/quote] are you realizing what you are saying [quote]Thirdly, how is Trump homophobic? I would say he is much more friendly to LGBT people than Hillary, who has a record of attacking marriage equality and only in the last couple years has started pandering to LGBT people. [/quote] " There can be no discrimination against gays. I’m against gay marriage." Yes I know it doesn't make sense. That's the D. for you

[QUOTE=Flug;50519287]Oh boy. Second, use of the term "faggot" on r/the_donald is a protest against political correctness. It's not a serious insult, it's a matter of principle.[/QUOTE] how about you go away and never come back

[QUOTE=-nesto-;50518429]His father who is pro-Taliban is tho. He posted a video after the shooting saying "God himself will punish those involved in homosexuality". We shouldn't let those kinds of backward ass fucks into our country.[/QUOTE] Honestly that's probably about the best you're going to get from someone who's completely committed to a religion that says "gays r bad 'n they should die": "It's not our place to destroy or punish others who don't directly affect our lives in a negative way, so if what they're doing is truly that much of an affront to God/Allah/Jibbers/Whoever, then they'll deal with it appropriately". It's as if even HE has recognized the barbarism in killing people who are otherwise doing nobody any harm other than "but the book says it's icky so we gotta stone you now".

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I don't know, but it seems kinda weird that when we have socially excluded teenagers running around shooting kids and other students, people go "We need better treatment of people with mental health issues", but when we're talking about Muslims going around shooting people, the solution is "simply" (as if that would actually be simple) to ban all Muslims from the country. How about better programs to prevent radicalization?

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;50519311]I don't know, but it seems kinda weird that when we have socially excluded teenagers running around shooting kids and other students, people go "We need better treatment of people with mental health issues", but when we're talking about Muslims going around shooting people, the solution is "simply" (as if that would actually be simple) to ban all Muslims from the country. How about better programs to prevent radicalization?[/QUOTE] Too abstract, I need simple solutions and someone to blame.

[QUOTE=Killuah;50519307][url]http://www.hrc.org/2016RepublicanFacts/donald-trump[/url][/QUOTE] You realize you're quoting what is effectively an outlet for Clinton's campaign, right? That's about as credible as InfoWars. [QUOTE]A forum DEDICATED TO DONALD TRUMP isn't indicative of his voter base? Are you being real right now? Please explain this one to me. At least 45 people agreed with that comment by the way, possibly even more. [/QUOTE] An unofficial shitposting subreddit with 160K subscribers isn't any more representative of Trump supporters, than tumblr is of Bernie supporters. [QUOTE]Oh don't worry, our horribly offensive slur is just sarcastic! I should have guessed. I have a feeling gay people feel a lot different about that. Hold up, let me call these 50 dead people faggots, it's totes cool though. It's not an insult by any means, despite that being it's literal and historical purpose as a slur against homosexuals. [/QUOTE] First, you seem to fail to grasp the concept of doing something as a matter of principle. The whole point of using the word "faggot" in this context is to protest the concept of political correctness and banned speech. Second, take a deep breath, and calm down. You're legitimately angered by a post on a forum. [QUOTE] He has gone on record to say that he would like to repeal gay marriage laws because he buys into the idea of the traditional family, one rooted deeply in ideas of homophobia and the family unit. [/QUOTE] First, please provide this quote. [URL="http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/06/hillary-clintons-gay-marriage-problem/372717/"]Second...[/URL]

[QUOTE=Flug;50519334]You realize you're quoting what is effectively an outlet for Clinton's campaign, right? That's about as credible as InfoWars. An unofficial shitposting subreddit with 160K subscribers isn't any more representative of Trump supporters, than tumblr is of Bernie supporters. First, you seem to fail to grasp the concept of doing something as a matter of principle. The whole point of using the word "faggot" in this context is to protest the concept of political correctness and banned speech. Second, take a deep breath, and calm down. You're legitimately angered by a post on a forum. First, please provide this quote. [URL="http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/06/hillary-clintons-gay-marriage-problem/372717/"]Second...[/URL][/QUOTE] Unless they are making up quotes from him I don't see what's your point [editline]14th June 2016[/editline] Also I am not angry?

[QUOTE=Saturn V;50519304][quote=flug]Oh boy. Second, use of the term "faggot" on r/the_donald is a protest against political correctness. It's not a serious insult, it's a matter of principle.[/quote] how about you go away and never come back[/QUOTE] Let me predict the future [quote=future flug]Hey man you're the real homophobes[/quote]

[quote]The whole point of using the word "faggot" in this context is to protest the concept of political correctness and banned speech.[/quote] Yeah, sorry but that is bullshit.

[QUOTE=Killuah;50519349]Unless they are making up quotes from him I don't see what's your point [editline]14th June 2016[/editline] Also I am not angry?[/QUOTE] I was quoting two posts there, yours and another guy's. What HRC is doing is the same as every other left-wing institution. They misconstrue everything Trump says. [QUOTE] Trump Said His First Priority If Elected Would Be To “Preserve And Protect Our Religious Liberty….We’re Going To Protect The First Amendment.”[/QUOTE] For example, how is the above at all relevant to marriage equality? [QUOTE][QUOTE=mdeceiver79;50519356]Let me predict the future[/QUOTE] [/QUOTE] Let me predict the future: [QUOTE=mdeceiver79]*fails to provide an actual argument and instead tries to push out an epic zinger*[/QUOTE]

I don't know but sure as heck is relevant to the OP issue thanks for that quote dude.

[QUOTE]An unofficial shitposting subreddit with 160K subscribers isn't any more representative of Trump supporters, than tumblr is of Bernie supporters. [/QUOTE] lol okay, this forum full of trump supporters are not actually trump supporters who hold none of his positions [QUOTE]First, you seem to fail to grasp the concept of doing something as a matter of principle. The whole point of using the word "faggot" in this context is to protest the concept of political correctness and banned speech.[/quote] how does throwing an offensive slur around all the time "protest" political correctness, why does political correctness need to be protested against also the irony of protesting banned speech on a sub-reddit that regularly bans people for being "cucks" [quote]Second, take a deep breath, and calm down. You're legitimately angered by a post on a forum.[/quote] a literal u mad post, do you ever listen to yourself [QUOTE]First, please provide this quote. Second...[/QUOTE] b-buh what about hillary???? (who isn't relevant to this debate lmao) also, here [URL]http://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2015/06/28/sotu-tapper-trump-is-for-traditional-marriage.cnn[/URL]

[QUOTE] lol okay, this forum full of trump supporters are not actually trump supporters who hold none of his positions[/QUOTE] A small shitposting forum on the internet does not represent the views of all Trump supporters any more than ISIS represents the views of all Muslims. [QUOTE]how does throwing an offensive slur around all the time "protest" political correctness, why does political correctness need to be protested against[/QUOTE] Because the concept of an "offensive slur" is stupid. Not only in that no speech should be banned, but also in that something is only an "offensive slur" if you lend it that power. As for political correctness, refer to the above. The concept is stupid because no speech should be stifled, no matter how distasteful. [QUOTE] a literal u mad post, do you ever listen to yourself[/QUOTE] Personal attack. Not relevant to debate. [QUOTE]b-buh what about hillary???? (who isn't relevant to this debate lmao) [/QUOTE] Yes, she is. She is the opposition. [QUOTE]also, here [url]http://edition.cnn.com/videos/politi...l-marriage.cnn[/url][/QUOTE] A video in which he takes a neutral stance on gay marriage?

[QUOTE=1nfiniteseed;50519110]Remember that when he came to this country, the Taliban were still "the heroic Mujahideen freedom fighters" so praised by the Reagan administration.[/QUOTE] And? They aren't freedom fighters anymore. It's one thing to support them back then but now they are a barbaric terrorist group with the blood of Afghan civilians and NATO personnel on their hands. That's the issue, he supports the modern Taliban.

[QUOTE]A small shitposting forum on the internet does not represent the views of all Trump supporters any more than ISIS represents the views of all Muslims.[/QUOTE] this is literally you denying reality. The_Donald has 160K users and you're telling me that they do not represent a significant portion of donald trumps popular support? the_donald isn't satire as much as they'd like to think it is, they genuinely believe everything that is posted there [QUOTE]Because the concept of an "offensive slur" is stupid. Not only in that no speech should be banned, but also in that something is only an "offensive slur" if you lend it that power. As for political correctness, refer to the above. The concept is stupid because no speech should be stifled, no matter how distasteful. [/QUOTE] So by repeatedly using this offensive slur, in an extremely distasteful and offensive context, we're removing it's power? No, that's just reinforcing it's status as a slur. It's used as an insult, and to ignore all context and history and boiling it down to "it's just a word" is purposefully ignorant and completely disconnected from reality. [QUOTE]Personal attack. Not relevant to debate.[/QUOTE] "u mad lol" isn't then? [QUOTE]Yes, she is. She is the opposition. [/QUOTE] And how is she relevant in this conversation about DONALD TRUMP? I don't give a shit about what Hilary Clinton thinks, she's completely irrelevant to the conversation because it's about donald trump's position on LGBT rights [QUOTE]A video in which he takes a neutral stance on gay marriage? [/QUOTE] how is being in favour of "traditional marriage" (see: no gay marriage allowed) a neutral stance? you're basically trolling at this point

[QUOTE=Streecer;50519413]this is literally you denying reality. The_Donald has 160K users and you're telling me that they do not represent a significant portion of donald trumps popular support? the_donald isn't satire as much as they'd like to think it is, they genuinely believe everything that is posted there [/QUOTE] Ok... First, he has received millions of votes thus far and many millions more have supported him in polls. 160k people is not a significant chunk of support. Secondly, how do you know that the_donald is a hivemind wherein everyone has the exact same opinion? Can you magically detect any disagreement or satire, and confidently tell me that, no, you don't detect any there? Thirdly, it's pointless to even argue about the_donald being representative of Trump supporters as a whole because they are not a hate group in the first place. [QUOTE]So by repeatedly using this offensive slur, in an extremely distasteful and offensive context, we're removing it's power? No, that's just reinforcing it's status as a slur. It's used as an insult, and to ignore all context and history and boiling it down to "it's just a word" is purposefully ignorant and completely disconnected from reality. [/QUOTE] You're acting delusional here. It is objectively just a word. It's not a dragon shout. "Faggot" doesn't have magic powers. Once upon a time words like "gadzooks" were considered horribly offensive. They aren't now, and that's because people used them and got used to them. [QUOTE]"u mad lol" isn't then?[/QUOTE] No one said "u mad lol". I simply said to calm down a little bit before making an emotionally charged reply. [QUOTE]And how is she relevant in this conversation about DONALD TRUMP? I don't give a shit about what Hilary Clinton thinks, she's completely irrelevant to the conversation because it's about donald trump's position on LGBT rights[/QUOTE] This[I] is[/I] a conversation about Trump v. Clinton - read the headline. My argument, from the beginning, has been that Trump has a better record on LGBT rights than Clinton. [QUOTE]how is being in favour of "traditional marriage" (see: no gay marriage allowed) a neutral stance? you're basically trolling at this point [/QUOTE] Ah yes, I see you are the authority on defining the meaning of "traditional marriage". He explicitly stated that the meaning of marriage is changing, and that he would have no objections to LGBT couples - that he would have nothing at all to say. That he is neutral.

[QUOTE=Flug;50519448]Ok... First, he has received millions of votes thus far and many millions more have supported him in polls. 160k people is not a significant chunk of support. Secondly, how do you know that the_donald is a hivemind wherein everyone has the exact same opinion? Can you magically detect any disagreement or satire, and confidently tell me that, no, you don't detect any there? Thirdly, it's pointless to even argue about the_donald being representative of Trump supporters as a whole because they are not a hate group in the first place. You're acting delusional here. It is objectively just a word. It's not a dragon shout. "Faggot" doesn't have magic powers. Once upon a time words like "gadzooks" were considered horribly offensive. They aren't now, and that's because people used them and got used to them. No one said "u mad lol". I simply said to calm down a little bit before making an emotionally charged reply. This[I] is[/I] a conversation about Trump v. Clinton - read the headline. My argument, from the beginning, has been that Trump has a better record on LGBT rights than Clinton. Ah yes, I see you are the authority on defining the meaning of "traditional marriage". He explicitly stated that the meaning of marriage is changing, and that he would have no objections to LGBT couples - that he would have nothing at all to say. That he is neutral.[/QUOTE] it's about time you'd heed my request

[QUOTE=Saturn V;50519457]it's about time you'd heed my request[/QUOTE] I would appreciate if you offered an actual argument against me. This is, at best, a hybrid between "personal attack" and "emotional appeal" and in no way does it contribute to this debate.

[QUOTE]Ok... First, he has received millions of votes thus far and many millions more have supported him in polls. 160k people is not a significant chunk of support.[/quote] "i do not know what representation is" [quote]Secondly, how do you know that the_donald is a hivemind wherein everyone has the exact same opinion? Can you magically detect any disagreement or satire, and confidently tell me that, no, you don't detect any there? Thirdly, it's pointless to even argue about the_donald being representative of Trump supporters as a whole because they are not a hate group in the first place.[/QUOTE] I never claimed the_donald was a hivemind? maybe think next time before putting words into my mouth. Secondly, how do you think reddit works? The reason many of those opinions are so prevalent is because they are common and upvoted by the community. The front page is a literal representation of what the popular opinion of a group of people is. [URL="https://i.imgur.com/pOhqJe3.png"]Oh[/URL][URL="https://i.imgur.com/gyAPrSy.png"] yeah,[/URL] [URL="https://archive.is/9GKBi"]not [/URL][URL="http://i.imgur.com/aGDYo4h.png"]a[/URL] [URL="http://i.imgur.com/f1tMk4X.png"]hate[/URL][URL="http://archive.is/lZwMN"] group[/URL] [URL="http://i.imgur.com/FXln5GD.png"]at[/URL] [URL="http://archive.is/VOXcN"]all.[/URL] If that isn't enough evidence I can always get more, tia. [QUOTE]You're acting delusional here. It is objectively just a word. It's not a dragon shout. "Faggot" doesn't have magic powers.[/QUOTE] it's just a word that also has connotations of discrimination and hatred, there is no "subjective" here, that is what the word represents and has always represented, please point out where anybody claimed that "faggot" had magical powers [QUOTE]Once upon a time words like "gadzooks" were considered horribly offensive. They aren't now, and that's because people used them and got used to them.[/QUOTE] so are you saying that "faggot" is totally cool to use now? why? what makes you think that calling somebody a faggot is acceptable? [QUOTE]This is a conversation about Trump v. Clinton - read the headline. My argument, from the beginning, has been that Trump has a better record on LGBT rights than Clinton.[/QUOTE] But he doesn't? He's been anti-gay marriage for years. [QUOTE]Ah yes, I see you are the authority on defining the meaning of "traditional marriage". He explicitly stated that the meaning of marriage is changing, and that he would have no objections to LGBT couples - that he would have nothing at all to say. That he is neutral. [/QUOTE] traditional marriage has been used as an anti-LGBT stance for years, by lots of different people; this fake ignorance you keep expressing is not flattering in the slightest. the literal definition of traditional marriage is that it is traditional, ie. between a man and woman donald trump has come out in favour of traditional marriage, therefore he is not neutral just because he says so, in the most literal sense you can describe he is against gay marriage i'm done with you

[QUOTE=Killuah;50519303]are you realizing what you are saying " There can be no discrimination against gays. I’m against gay marriage." Yes I know it doesn't make sense. That's the D. for you[/QUOTE] Tbh though that's exactly what Clinton was saying until gay marriage was Ok'd by Obama

[QUOTE=Starpluck;50516101]Trump would not have been able to ban U.S. Citizens from being born anyways so his point his moot.[/QUOTE] Or can't he....